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- Falor42, on 12/04/2008, -2/+50Seems even Mother Earth has to pass some gas from time to time...
- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -1/+19Don't worry, it's natural greenhouse gas emissions, so that makes them harmless. /s
Seriously, what the ***** is up with these dingbats who believe that adding the word "natural" to it makes it harmless. Volcanoes are natural, earthquakes are natural, hurricanes are, tornadoes are... Personally, I'd love to see one of these idiots at Mt. St. Helens - "Pssh, all those so-called 'geologists' are worried about a volcanic eruption and are ordering people to evacuate. Those dumb sheeple don't realize that volcanic eruptions are a perfectly natural YAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!" - MrSlumberjack, on 12/04/2008, -1/+14Was this ever argued against?
- SuperVepr308, on 12/04/2008, -1/+14I can see a Discovery channel show now:
Gas: The Flatulent Earth narrated by Pierce Brosnan. - cr12345, on 12/04/2008, -1/+12WIth a job description like that, Rosie O'Donnell will right on that...
- Dumbledorito, on 12/04/2008, -3/+14Radioactive elements are also natural. Want to go spend some time in the "radium health spas" of the early 1900's?
- MattB123, on 12/04/2008, -2/+13Correct. That has been a scientific fact long before the term "greenhouse gasses" was coined. But it does not change that human contributions are very likely to be affecting the climate.
- KegBol, on 12/04/2008, -2/+12When did Republicans go from being stalwarts against irresponsible change to just being bullies? Even the big mining companies - previously the most irresponsible companies on earth - admit that climate change is now costing them money through the delays caused by bigger sea storms than previously experienced, and they believe it is caused by anthropogenic emissions. Considering they are staffed and run by earth scientists, I would think that they would know better than someone who's motivation seems to be political/social.
Yes, there is a lot of ***** said about the environment, and most environmental agencies are staffed by bloody useless hippies willing to make up any old ***** to further their cause, but there is enough good science out there for us to say that something is happening to the climate, and quickly, and it's not been beneficial so far, and we have no reason to believe that it will become so.
Why would you not want to address that, Keltin? - Ch3n3yTh3D1ck, on 12/04/2008, -0/+10seriously, we are seriously *****. I mean in a bad bad way. Nobody here understands what this means. I dont know if most climate scientists understand this. These figures are very rough, pulled out of my ass, but I do roughly know what I 'm talking about.
1. Methane, as a greenhouse gas, is many times more powerful than carbon dioxide. by a factor of 10 or so.
2. the amount of methane stored in clathrate beds on the ocean floor and arctic permafrost is many billions time more than human output of greenhouse gases. as these gases are released, the resultant heating will exponentially trigger the release of more trapped methane
3. when the oceans become heated even five to ten degrees more from this huge greenhouse effect, expect hurricanes the likes of which have never been documented on earth. we are talking about a multi-thousand mile storm whose eyewall punches through the stratosphere into space
4. the resultant debris kicked into the high reaches of the atmosphere will drastically reverse global warming by blocking out the sun, resulting in a global ice age
I just hope this doesn't happen in my lifetime, but it will happen. - MrSlumberjack, on 12/04/2008, -0/+10It's completely unpredictable as to where and when there will be methane outgassing.
- mmaine, on 12/04/2008, -10/+18FTA "Scientists already knew that microbes breaking down organic debris in the northern wetlands emit considerable amounts of the greenhouse gas"
So...some greenhouse gas is emitted by nature and is a natural process. - penguinofspades, on 12/04/2008, -1/+9yeah, stupid smarties. bad things happen when smart people (like scientist) have terrible PR, namely their findings get dumbed down and warped into what the rest of the population will understand. they simply present their facts, its usually the people reporting it who get it wrong.
- diggduggDOOM, on 12/04/2008, -2/+9That reminds me of a really bad movie I saw...
When did I see that? Was it yesterday? The day before yesterday? - scooterbaga, on 12/04/2008, -1/+8This is obviously caused by cows...
- T8erT0T, on 12/04/2008, -4/+10Dinosaur fart.
- kev0476, on 12/04/2008, -2/+7Front page = ignored right?
This is just an anomaly that couldn't be explained.
This is part of the reason that the climate models are inaccurate, when we are able to factor these things in, our models are better able to predict based on past information what could have happened today.
We use the certainty of these models for today to predict what is going to happen tomorrow. - inactive, on 12/04/2008, -1/+6It is from all the decomposing narwhals.
- scooterbaga, on 12/04/2008, -4/+9You got your methane in my frozen tundra!
- doctechnical, on 12/04/2008, -1/+5Snow Cows. They poop, the poop freezes in the cold, gets covered with snow,then when it warms up, methane belches.
- baldboy7, on 12/04/2008, -0/+4Whats happening to Lambeau Field?!
- jeffbw, on 12/04/2008, -0/+4Is that supposed to be some profound insight? There was greenhouse gas long before animals ever crawled onto the land, otherwise plants couldn't breathe. As Vitriol says, releasing this frozen gas is one of the many compounding domino effects of our melting of the permafrost, and there will be others.
- kev0476, on 12/04/2008, -2/+5Carbon has always been in the atmosphere, we are worried that we are throwing it out of balance.
- SpectralSounds, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3Who run frozen tundra Bartertown?
- TechMike, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3dugg for use of "outgassing"
- kev0476, on 12/04/2008, -1/+4Science is about creating hypothesis and testing them. You are basically saying that if the hypothesis is wrong than you are creating a conspiracy. Ever heard of cold fusion? It is science because they tested it and proved it wrong.
The problem is that global warming has not been proven wrong. The inconsistencies are from what will happen. Do you believe the weatherman word for word?
No, you take what he has to say and know that it is going to be in that range.
This is why there is an inconsistency. This has been blown out of proportion and all the sudden, we have a range of bad things. Al gore presented the worst case scenario. The best case scenario still has the world warming though. - SuperVepr308, on 12/04/2008, -4/+7I burst from the frozen tundra once but that is a story for another day.
- matrixbandit, on 12/05/2008, -1/+3omg will you anti-man-made-global-warming nuts just put down your conspiracy signs for one minute so we can just maybe fix this thing?
The reason diggers usually ignore articles on the environment that don't blame SUV's and Oil companies is because THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT! Are you retarded!? The ice is melting, and releasing trapped methane, which in turn causes global warming to accelerate which melts more ice, etc etc. So how do we stop the ice from melting in the first place? PUT THE ***** SUV'S AWAY AND PUT THE OIL INDUSTRY IN IT'S ***** PLACE! So yea, MY BAD for focusing on solutions and not wasting my time on all the symptoms. - diggdong, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2Free Meth in your Lab Series ad gear.
- Muspar, on 12/05/2008, -0/+2There are different kinds of scientists. You can reject one type of scientist without rejecting all scientists. Example: You can decide psychoanalytic psychology is gibberish while existential psychology is the greatest thing since video games. A person could reject climate change theorists while accepting evolutionary theory, or reject evolutionary theory while thinking computer science is valid.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 12/04/2008, -4/+6That just means that human effects get multiplied.
The permafrost was NOT melting, until after the extra greenhouse gases released by human activity.
And of course destruction of wetlands is having quite an impact as well. These unforeseen "trigger" events are what worry climatologists the most. - AnarchoGoth, on 12/05/2008, -0/+2Is it possible to capture the methane and use it as an energy source?
And how much methane are we talking about? - snached, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2But the hole is still there...
- inactive, on 12/04/2008, -4/+6Strawmen are fun to beat up!
- thcobbs, on 12/04/2008, -1/+3I TOLD you Gia didn't need to eat all those bean burritos!
- Trel, on 12/05/2008, -0/+2It's neither mother earth, nor is it father earth.
Lavos is surfacing. - kev0476, on 12/04/2008, -1/+3Yes, and this has all been in balance. We are throwing it out of balance.
- TechMike, on 12/04/2008, -2/+4we need to start using CFCs again to punch a hole in the artic ozone so the methane can have a chance to escape!
- duffman03, on 12/05/2008, -0/+2all digg members are to personally benifit where clean air and fuel dependance are involved.
- TyrannousDotNet, on 12/04/2008, -1/+3i wonder if anyone looked at the link provided.
Geophysical hypotheses
Astrophysicist Wolfgang Kundt has suggested the Tunguska event was caused by the sudden release and subsequent explosion of 10 million tonnes of natural gas from within the Earth's crust.[36][37] The similar Verneshot hypothesis has also been suggested as a possible cause of the Tunguska event.[38] - frequentFlyer, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2Methane + "pulled out of your ass"
No pun intended? - aschmack, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Two great tastes that taste great together!
- NigelSheldon, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1doorknob
- Rethcir, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1Too bad John Facenda isn't around to sort this all out...
- Isidore, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1@thcobbs
You asked about how could freezing release methane
FTA
"The freezing process itself may squeeze out the surprising burst ... . As cold sets in, methane-saturated soil is sandwiched between spreading frost at the surface and a floor of permafrost below. Under pressure, the gas could escape via plant stems and roots, which perforate the layers like chimneys, says Christensen." - Squires, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1Damn right, only humans can make ice melt.
- Muspar, on 12/05/2008, -1/+2Funny how people use the catch-all phrase "scientist". Does scientist mean a geologist? physicist? biologist? psychologist?
Journalist: "Dr. Beardington, how do you explain the methane release from the frozen tundra?"
Psychologist: "I'm afraid my training as a social scientist doesn't really cover that kind of thing"
Journalist: *GASP!* "This phenomenon confounds scientists!" - thcobbs, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1"predict how climate change-induced thawing in the Arctic may release dangerous amounts of the greenhouse gas"
"the freezing ground releases a large and unexpected burst of methane"
Wait, WHAT? I could buy the thawing argument.... but how can the creation of a vapor-barrier cause the RELEASE of a ..... VAPOR? - lornali, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1This is unbelievable
- Squires, on 12/06/2008, -0/+1We didn't listen!
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