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- kodak543, on 10/12/2007, -11/+60Thats not true, first of all Islam is not a culture, what you mean is the caliphate or nations based on Islam. Second, Muslims stopped growing, when were invaded. Most people would say that the islamic golden age came to end when the mongols destroyed all their libraries, government and good majority of their people. They did not collapse, they were invaded and destroyed. After that, they could never get back in that powerful position on the world stage because of a lot of infighting (sunni / shia, sunni/sunni), and western expansionism.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age - lookitsbeige, on 10/12/2007, -10/+53Not "all" of them strap bombs to their chest. Just like not all diggers are ignorant like you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49"They're still savages. ***** 'em."
You *do* realize that your sentiment is the EXACT reason terrorism persists?
Of course you don't. Carry on with the xenophobia/racism/stupidity/conservatism... - VeryBoredNow, on 10/12/2007, -21/+60***** you
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Too bad the West with all its scientific advances couldn't stop itself from murdering 6 million Jews. How's that for generalization? Of course it's wrong but generalizations tend to be that way.
- jivatmanx, on 10/12/2007, -18/+51Mysticism and Anti-Intellectualism? How can you possibly speak those two words in the same sentence as if they have any relation? Historically, the more conservative, restricitive, fundamentalist religions impede progress (the recent trend in islam). Where as the far more liberal mysticisms (Gnosticism, Kaballah, Sufism) have often come hand in hand with more scientific achievement, and were espoused by some of the world's greatest minds, (most recently, Carl Jung).
The Fundamentalist religions focus on strict laws and rules used to keep the populace in control.
The mysticisms focus on personal relationships with god, epiphanies, and learning lessons of life and taking a glimpse of the next.
The difference could hardly be starker - lookitsbeige, on 10/12/2007, -11/+40Don't generalize an entire group of people please.
- Azerael, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34Terrorism has existed as long as there's been an establishment to destroy. It didn't start at 9/11 and it wont end with the War on Terror and it most certainly isn't exclusive to Islam.
People need to wake up to this. - mistarojaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28i didnt know that research studies done by Harvard PhDs was considered political propaganda
not to mention that is due to be published in Science, which is the most prestigious scientific journal there is - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28No, your idiotic comments only contribute to the misery of those around you, thank God...
"I don't know, I'm having a little trouble getting past the part where these islamic ***** refuse to acknowledge womens as part of the human race."
Oh yeah, you're a total freedom-fighter. Some girl's gonna be reeeeaaal lucky to get her hands on you.
Heh. 'womens.' - hankyone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Why do you start a religion debate on a geometries arcticle?
- mihirsharma, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30No they aren't, genius. Read about the Tamil Tigers, you ignorant little bigot, and try and understand the difference between necessary and sufficient.
- Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Don't feed the troll.
- mihirsharma, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Errr.... do you know anything about the Golden Ratio, for example? Pi and Egyptian builders? Much intuition about geometry starts from architectural insights. This was just more advanced than most.
- thelonious, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26@Kyle666
What part of "General Sciences" can't your bigoted little head grasp?
Medieval Islamic Mosaics != 9/11 - AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25I'm a muslim, from a muslim country, and there is nobody I know there who even remotely comes near to being a savage. What do you say about that?
Retard. - McReynolds, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25It strikes me that many people criticize islam as being backward without any knowledge of what it is actually about. As a person who read the bible often while growing up and told these many things about islamic culture, I was suprised when I first picked up the koran and glanced through it. For those of you who have never, to summarise it talks about almost everything. There is plenty of geography, human development in the womb, great deal of astronomy, detailed creation of the universe and that it is expanding(scientific), how it will end (supposedly collapse on itself) and many more things.
It evens calls for scuritiny(by the experts on the subjects) about what it says about science and if it is wrong then it is surely not the words of the "All Knowing". Which I find to be a pretty bald statement.
The only problem is all these are not presented in coherent pieces but are scattered all over. - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Every village has its idiot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21"The muslims didn't discover it"
Well, thanks so much for clearing that up, Dr. Science- those propagandists at Harvard almost had me fooled! - dopplerdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Eh? Not understood the math? You understand that there is a universe of tile sets, and of those that tile at all, the immense majority of them tile periodically? Finding a set that tiles aperiodically is like finding the needle in the proverbial haystack. It's just not possible to come up with this tile set without knowing what you're doing. They would have had to understand the relation of those tiles to the pentagon, the "golden ratio", etc. There's no way they could have NOT known - it's not a trivial discovery. This is why westerners didn't even know these tiling sets existed until this century.
Sounds like people *here* don't understand the math behind tile sets. - AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21If people would actually read the Quran, instead of denouncing it of being evil.. Sadly enough, people will claim to have read it and say it's a war document, or [insert-critique-of-choice-here] . I have a very vivid image of what it looks like, when one of those actually takes a copy and starts reading it:
*mumble mumble* The Quran is evil, Quran is evil.. *mumble* What's this, "If a non-believer asks for protection, give it to him..".. No no, wait wait, Quran is evil *grumble mumble* "Don't let your conflicts with others do injustice.." Umm wait, they told me Quran is evil, so it has to be.. *mumble mumble* "Didn't they know that we created the heavens and earth together than seperated them?" .. Big bang maybe? Oh no no no, this thing is evil *mumble* "There is no coercion in religion.." *silence* Quran is evil, Quran is evil *mumble mumble* "Respect those who haven't fought you *mumble* and if they do, then FIGHT BACK.." HAH!!! I KNEW IT!! THE QURAN IS DEFINITELY EVIL!!! - mistarojaz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21darkcyde,
architecture is not that simple dude - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19"They should master human rights before they start on something heavy like math."
So should you. Go sit in the corner until you realize how stupid you've been. - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Actually Kyle, people dug down atheist because his comment is - in all of its brevity - both uninformed and a classic case of Eurocentric paternalism. The West has been influenced a great deal by the philosophies, natural sciences, and mathematics of the Middle East. They were, are, and always have been contributors to human understanding. Of course, atheist is followed by Tam's comment about how he could never see Europe being a world power. Despite the fact that there's a higher density of individual world powers and history-molding countries there than anywhere else in the...ya know...world.
People dugg them down for a reason. Because what they said was ridiculous. Then YOU tried to make it into a religious debate for reasons still unknown to the general populace. (EDIT: I'm with ya hanky)
The only scary thing about this is how many are surprised by the idea that something as notable as higher-order mathematics can come the culture that they've been told is full of mean-spirited, hole-digging terrorists. Gee, either an entire culture's gone ***** at one time because they saw a picture of of a happy blonde American baby and decided to steal its freedom OR... you've bought into the wartime *****. Marinade on that. - archlich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Actually, the proper insult would be, "and America has many villages." Implying only one big village connotes only one idiot.
- burkay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Because mate, it is not a science book.
The purpose is not to teach men science, but to teach men about their God.
The scientific facts are the MD5 signature of Quran. Foolproof, authentic, direct from the sender :) - Ghazi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16lol@"it seems like an exaggeration to say that they knew or used modern math."
They invented it dumbass!
http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=359 - AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13nixfu, you really fall under the category of brainwashed people I was mocking. Congratulations. What you probably consider reading the Quran and Hadiths quite a bit is nothing more than reading of taken-out-of-context verses listed on hateful, lying anti Islamic sites. You'd be surprised on how wrong you are though.
But you can't tell me what my religion is about, for your information. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The numbers we use today originated from the Arabs. Of course they've changed shape since then but regardless the fact still remains.
- JoeDiggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You're all forgeting how amazing Islam was at using knowledge and education to create amazing things that would help the world, let's say the invention of Algebra by al-Jabr and al-Khwarzim, the armillary sphere used the sun the show what time of year it was, and this is only the tip of the iceberg. And to the people commenting on the rights of women, and also those who are Christian and Jewish, the Qur'an originally stated these people should be treated as equal, they did not disrespect Jesus, he was just another prophet, Women, originally had full respect and were treated fairly (Mohammad's wife was his boss for several years and they had an extremely happy relationship). The change in this religion, in my opinion, was the ignorance/stupidity of select few important figures who changed the face of a few hundred million people.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"Why do we keep seeing these stories about how Muslims did something great way back when?"
Probably for more or less the same reason LGF and the ilk are pathologically driven to prop up this myth of American infallibility and cult patriotism. - romulasry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17"Medieval Islamic Mosaics Used Modern Math" -- Try saying that ten times fast. Lol.
- bronstad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Hey, just wondering kids... what is the significance of the name Little Green Footballs?
- kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12And America's a big village.
- theodorecarras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Rjune, could you explain to us why you're such a paranoid bigot? Do you really think there's a global Islamic conspiracy trying to take over Europe, and that it has, for some reason, the support of the Western media?
- burkay, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16animals???
time to block one more stupid *****. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Looks like the LGF kiddies are on vacation. Enjoy the peace while it lasts.
- DavidDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Historically, the more conservative, restricitive, fundamentalist religions impede progress"
This comment is highly dubious. Gauss was a deeply religious and conservative Christian, and he was the greatest mathematician ever. There are other data points. Native American spiritual traditions are rarely seen as conservative, restrictive, fundamentalist, etc... what was the last time you learned a mathematical theorem that was discovered by a Native American? I'm not against Native Americans, I just want to point out that you have no idea what you're talking about. - theodorecarras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It's not a pro-Islamic backlash, it's the presence of some media stories that don't vilify the Muslim community and heritage.
- abid786, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Welcome to my block list my good sir! (I also assume, quite safely, that you didn't read the article AT ALL)
- alrahman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"I don't know, I'm having a little trouble getting past the part where these islamic ***** refuse to acknowledge womens as part of the human race."
Right, that shows how much you know. Islam gave women rights to vote, property and a load of other things when Europe was still discussing whether women were even human.
Women are an essential part of Islam, and right from the beginning, some of them have been responsible for preserving the knowledge and passing it on to other generations. I don't understand how you could make that statement, other then you are just trolling. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Apparently these "dumb" Arabs who paved the way to modern math, are winning in Iraq.
The world's biggest, most expensive army vs people worth nothing with little to no weapons. - jivatmanx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13@Kyle
I'm not sure I'm the one being closed minded here. You attack the existence of religion and wish it would simply not exist.
I advocate using religion in the right way, and liberalizing it so that backwards societies can progress.
I believe that there is a metaphysical essence in the world, and that parts of it may eventually be scientifically proven, and I believe that religion can perform valuable functions in connecting groups of people, which may have been the origonal function, within the framework of a culture.
I have a feeling I'm not alone in refusing to accept existentialism. - acl123, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Are all Americans like Kyle660?
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The correlation betwen religious conservativsm and scientific development is imo not as accurate as many make it out to be. Medieval muslims were by far alot more religious than modern day muslims, to my experience actually, the majority of muslims probably don't even pray the 5 daily prayers regularly, yet medieval muslims accomplished alot more in the fields of science and philosophy. When in the modern era muslims are part of mostly 3rd world countries, and well, everyone knows the rest...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ever heard of Loula Abboud? Syrian Socialist Nationalist Party? Abboud was a Maronite, whereas the SSNP were Greek Orthodox Christians, and they committed their share of suicide attacks during the Lebanese Civil War.
- haffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5In Europe we often wonder how it was possible for Hitler to whip up the massive hatred of the Jews. Most of whom had done nothing to anyone. I think the last few years have shown how simple it is to whip up hatred against a religious group, and make people hate without questioning anything.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5American villages are unique from all others in the world in the respect that American villages are capable of containing multiple idiots, a feat previously thought to be impossible.
- AhmedOmran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Strangely enough, during the cold war, while the US was supporting and arming militants from Afghanistan so they can fight the Soviets, Islam was portrayed then as a great and respectable religion too. I guess now as the whole thing is over, you need a new culprit you can throw all kinds of ***** at. So I'd say this anti-Islamic sentiment qualifies more to be a "backlash".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Who knows, but it looks like the LGF kids that mass created Digg accounts to spam those trash articles to boost their site traffic are taking a break at the moment. It's nice to have an article that doesn't look like it came straight off stormfront.org for once.
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