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Map proves Portuguese discovered Australia

reuters.com — A 16th century maritime map in a Los Angeles library vault proves that Portuguese adventurers, not British or Dutch, were the first Europeans to discover Australia, says a new book which details the secret discovery of Australia.

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wonderchemist, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20I'm surprised, given the closeness that the Chinese didn't discover Australia before the Europeans did. The Chinese had sufficiently advanced sailing technology to do so. Or maybe they did, since the article is just discussing European exploration, anyone know?
- rhfb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Pretty sure the Chinese were busy with other things, and when they did start to explore along the oceans(for a short time) they went west towards India and Africa. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, this is information I'm trying to remeber from my Eastern Asian history class.
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13How exactly does a continent get "discovered". They don't exactly get lost. They're not concealed. They're not a secret.
  
  Anyway, it doesn't matter which Europeans happened to sail near / land on Australia first. It doesn't change anything. It's not like we'll all start discurso no português. *****.
  
  Edit:
  To explain linkedlist's comment further - Aboriginal Australians date back 10's of thousands of years. Neighbouring Asian cultures are thousands of years old.
- prajo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9According to research by Gavin Menzies (from the book 1421: The Year China Discovered The World), European explorers actually used Chinese maps to navigate to the new world, including Australia. "Discovered" being used in the sense of the first non-aboriginal travelers of course.
- Domza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16This explains why we have tasty Nando's and Oporto Chicken in our sunburnt land.
  
  Thank you Portugal, your cultural contributions have been duly noted.
- daza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18(I'm an Australian)
  
  Please don't take me as being cocky, but I thought it was common knowledge. When I was in Year 3 (9 years old), we learned that it was a misconception the British "discovered" Australian, and in fact there had been at least three recorded explorers before Captain Cook found it. Abel Tasman discovered Tasmania and called it "Van Diemen's Land" sometime during 1642.
  
  After a bit of reading on Wikipedia, it turns out that it's more a "theory" that the Portuguese discovered Australia. Funny though, but our Year 3 teacher told us they were the first people who discovered it, almost as if it was fact..
  
  Of course there were no doubt countless others who discovered it, probably before the Portuguese or Dutch.. but I doubt we'll every really know :)
- 0o0Moylan0o0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Yep, I was taught the same thing to Daz, but although all these other people might have discovered Australia before Cook, He was the one who was resposible for the colonization of Australia, so i believe we should be giving him the credit, not these other guys...
  
  (Although i would have rathered to have decended directly from Dutch than Poms.)
- ogore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+38I, for one, welcome our new Portuguese overlords
- mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I was taught the same thing daza, there was even speculation that they made their way into Corio Bay (Off Port Phillip Bay) in Geelong (my home town), after the discovery of a thought to be Portuguese key, thought to be from the 16th century.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geelong_keys
  
  man, Wikipedia has everything
- BMourao, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@linkedlist
  
  I don't consider "crossing the street" discovering something...
  
  In this context we're talking about the European powers of that time.
- punwin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@ogore
  
  First time I loled sitting at my computer in a long time.
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Call me bitter and jaded but some ***** loser regurgitating "funny one liners" from slashdot that have been applied to every story for 10 ***** years at /. and for far too many months here just doesn't make my nipples hard.
  
  Stick around for a few days and you'll likely tire of it, along with it's retarded friend ... "In Soviet Russia, [whatever] owns/drives/shoots/arrests/etc YOU!"
- onerob, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2"Although i would have rathered to have decended directly from Dutch than Poms."
  
  Yeah, but you wouldn't be able to bear such a grudge, and where's the fun in that?
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Australians don't bear a grudge against England. We're a part of the British Commonwealth and amongst other things a staunch ally of the Brits.
  
  We are fierce rivals with them in a number of sports - 2, after many trials it was decided this was the number of sports the dicks could learn to play without forgetting to bath .. wait.
- onerob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"We are fierce rivals with them in a number of sports"
  
  During the Ashes, us Brits weren't so much rivals as victims.
- randf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@ fkr
  
  you are bitter and jaded.
  
  you're welcome (and for the record, i don't want to know what makes your nipples hard)
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adigg.com+i+for+one+welcome+our+new+overlords
  After 5200 times anyone who says it should be testicularly grated.
  
  http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adigg.com+%22in+soviet+russia%22
  After 44300 times anyone who says it should be given aids in their eyeballs, and then testicularly grated.
  
  You made my nipples cry. :(
- ashandfire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"SYDNEY (Reuters) - A 16th century maritime map in a Los Angeles library vault proves that Portuguese adventurers, not British or Dutch, were the FIRST EUROPEANS to discover Australia, says a new book which details the secret discovery of Australia."
  Just Read the article before posting next time. kk
- texpundit, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1"You made my nipples cry. :("
  
  I think they have medicines for that now.
- violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Of course so long as were talking of discovery we all know it is speaking of the advanced civilizations of the West, since everyone else is apparently lost and need finding."
  
  Don't be so bitter. Discovery is a relative term, you discover things every day. If what you're talking about is indigenous peoples, then you should probably look at it as someone discovered them, they didn't discover everyone else. Whether that's a good or bad thing is debatable of course. Indigenous cultures rarely have the choice of "being left to themselves", and that's certainly not just a Western thing.
- audiowizard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Hey wonderchemist you numbskull!! Read the article, the Portuguese discovered Australia fool!
- audiowizard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11quote "How exactly does a continent get "discovered". They don't exactly get lost. They're not concealed. They're not a secret."
  
  Holy ***** you kids today are proving to be ***** morons...sorry to be so harsh, but jesus christ!!! Quit trying to be funny so often.
  
  Imagine a world centuries ago (a long long time)....without Xbox's, myspace, and internet porn. Now imagine you bought a map at the local 7/11 (those have been around since the dinosaurs) the map only shows so far as the edge of your country.....it is in this era that you can discover new lands and map them as a cartographer. I figure you'd at least have the sense of that from all your WOW gaming.
- jambox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Going back to the parent's point about the Chinese, there are a ton of written accounts in China of their mandarins being sent off as emissaries to places all over south east Asia going back a thousand years or more.
  
  In fact there was a documentary on t'History Channel a while ago about a Chinese ambassador to the culture that built Angkor Wat (their names escape me).
  
  So it sounds credible that they at least knew of the existence of Australia, given their naval technology (some people say their largest ships were several times as large as a 19th-century first rate 100-gun, 3 deck ship-o-the-line). Perhaps they even visited.
  
  At the same time, it doesn't look like they colonised the place, because there's no evidence of Chinese settlements. Not surprising, they already had a vast empire and were more into exploration as a means of economic dominion (think post-war USA) than colonisation and conquest (think European powers).
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If the lands are already there, and peopled, how can you coming across them be a discovery?
Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3I bet the vikings got there first, too. And I can prove it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Vinland_Map.jpg
What's that east of africa, southeast of Japan? Doesn't that coastline look a bit like Botany Bay?

(all of the above is parody. The vikings didn't get to australia. Odds are, neither did the portuguese. The chinese might, though. And the map is real.)
Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -11/+35Aborigines anyone? I realize it says Europeans though.. but still, as Chris Rock said it's like discovering someones backyard.
Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19This is a race for who was the first to ***** up someone else's land.
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Or to build cities, offer advanced healthcare, increase the standard of living and life span, etc.
- jambox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3both valid points!
  
  "discovery" never ends well for the indigenous - if they don't round you up and shoot you, their foreign diseases will total your entire civilisation.
  
  morally I suppose it depends how you treat the indigenous peoples - in the cases of america (north and south) and oz, there were massacres and forced evictions, followed by some fairly paltry reparations after the fact.
  
  new zealand seemed to do a bit better at this, any maoris out there with a view on this?
laroja, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6It's unreal that people are still using the term 'discovering' when discussing how some European was first to go to some non-European land. It's 2007. I though colonialism was 'officially' not tolerated anymore. Only 'officially' of course.
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Unless you know where you fit into the world you are undiscovered - just a social island.
- MotionAesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Europeans discovered X. Nothing wrong with saying that.
  
  I can discover a street in my city that I didn't know was there.
jubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8anyone whos ever bothered to read history will realise that this is nothing new, and is in fact, old, old news. Ancient philosphers and early martime explorers had theorised about a terra australis to "balance" out the great land mass in the northern hemisphere. European spice traders on their way to indonesia would take advantage of the roaring fourties winds to take them east and occasionally they would end up on the west cost of australia that is by european standards rather barren, and most Australian kids will have heard of Dirk Harthog. The difference is that James Cook on his way Hawaii landed on the fertile east cost and made note of it. After which the british claimed New Holland as terra nullias and was subsequently colonised by the British beginning with the landing of the first fleet in 1788. If anyone is keen have a read of Robert Hugh's "The Fatal Shore"
- 91degrees, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's always struck me. Sailors must have been bumping into Australia for years before it was actually "discovered" by Europeans. Obviously they just didn't consider a new land to be particulalry interesting when there was money to be made on the trade routes.
- daza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As jubuntu noted, Cook saw one of the most fertile parts of Australia, where as others had seen dry, arid land. Almost 90% of Australian's live on the coastline (that is, within an hour or so from the ocean).
- DougO, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Dude, this was on digg like, 400 years ago - buried as duplicate.
- 0o0Moylan0o0, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4^ ^ ^ ^ ^
  
  ERRRRRR!!! it cant have been on digg 400 years ago, Australia hadnt been discovered yet idiot, internet wasnt created, and DIGG DIDNT EXIST!!
  
  Your argument is flawed Scum
- DougO, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1@0o0moylan0o0
  
  Oh, of course your right: Thank you, Captain Obvious. Go and get mummy to read my comment and ask her to tell you what s-a-r-c-a-s-m is.
  
  Meanwhile, I'll be sure to right it down somewhere that the internet and digg didnt exist 400 years ago. Thanks. No, really, thanks.
- zeromancer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4hey doug. i think he was kidding. speaking of sarcasm....
- 0o0Moylan0o0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Doug.
  
  Ok, so which one of us is it that doesnt understand sarcasm?
  
  Oh no really, i honestly thought that no-one knew that there was no internet in the early 1600's...
piratesarefun, on 10/12/2007, -25/+9Don't they know that Jesus discovered Australia! its clearly there in Matthew 57:86 when it says "then Jesus hath sailed to Australia, where he gave a Hot Carl to a kangaroo". That was way before 1522. come on doesn't everyone know that?!
- scoyndizzle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Sarcasm or not... seriously, WTF
- ogore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Isn't that off the back of a mambo t-shirt
Mc_Carter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Didn't the Polynesians discover it first and aren't they the ancestors of the aboriginal population.
- element21, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1aboriginals and Polynesians are from vastly different heritage.
  anyway it says "Portuguese adventurers, not British or Dutch, were the first "Europeans" to discover Australia" however discover is not necessarily politically correct.
  it all sounds rather intriguing and all - here we were all being brought up believing Captain James Cook was god.
- jubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2No. go back to school.
- TetchyTony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That was New Zealand, in more recent times than Australia/Tasmania. But anyway, everyone had come round the coast from the West originally - easier when there was more ice at the poles and thus much lower sea levels to get across. Climate change is not a novelty, and humanity as a whole does not go back very far in history. And as far as posterity is concerned, Australia will 'discover' China all by itself, the hard way, through Continental Drift.
jubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0Its a badly written and innacurate story anyway. cue deadhead comments.
unruled, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4The first undisputed recorded European sighting of the Australian mainland was made by the Dutch navigator Willem Janszoon, who sighted the coast of Cape York Peninsula in 1606. During the 17th century, the Dutch charted the whole of the western and northern coastlines of what they called New Holland, but made no attempt at settlement.

sounds more like proof then that article linked... which seems kinda bogus and unscientific imho.
- cavadela, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how does an accurate map of the Australian coastline made in the 1520s more or less bogus than something (sighting??) made a century after that? for all I care your "undisputed" sighting might have been a mirage... or a glance at someone else's map!
  
  the only relevant thing about this is that Portuguese sailors discovered America (another story), the seaway to India and now Australia and managed to keep the information secret from others for so long, up to the point that those discoveries had been attributed to others.
geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You should read up on the Piri Reis Map as well - that shows Antartica long before its "official" discovery, and an unusual amount of detail of the Amercias - indeed, more detail than later "new" maps.
LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Does this qualify as a LOST connection? i.e. the Portuguese guys at the listening station and the departure point for flight 815?
- shore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Those guys are not Portuguese, they are Brazilian.
- LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, they spoke Brazilian Portuguese. So there.
- shore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They spoke Brazilian Portuguese (aka pt-br), but you referred to them as "Portuguese", which is incorrect. Being them Brazilian, your comment has nothing to do with the article. Don't you agree?
varandasi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So, the French didn't knew how to copy maps :)
The next step is to find the map that proves, that the Portuguese all ready knew about the existence of Brasil, when the lucky Colombo (some say that he was Portuguese also) went to the Portuguese king asking for ships.
blizake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Miguel descobriu Australia após tudo!
- varandasi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Quem é o Miguel?
- Sputtnik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Afinal os Portugueses já descobriram o DIGG!
  ( After all, Portugueses already discovered DIGG! )
- nejlepsi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Somos os maiores!!! Viva Portugal!!
  
  Translation: Portugal rules!
- takamalak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2O digg é composto enteiramente de putos e putas.
- v0yeur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ takamalak
  
  saying everyone on Digg are "putos e putas" is bad, posting on Digg with that comment is simply moronic, lol
- musicaldoctor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wohooo! isto justifica finalmente o meu primeiro comentario! AI FADUCHO!
Threlly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Ha ha, maybe the Aussies will have somebody else to blame for everything now.
Bad stuff = Blame the POMs, The British Empire/Establishment, The Queen...etc etc
Good Stuff = We did that
Sputtnik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Yeah, we where a great empire at that time and very rich but everything was wasted away and now we're almost unknow to the world, stroggling to be at least an average european country, with governement sucking out every cent they an from our pockets...
- DougO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You sound like one of those old muppet guys in the balcony. Stay still, I'll call you a waaaaaaaaaahbulance.
- 3xpt0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yeah ... learn some history.
  
  You will find some trues about your country in that time ... commercial and not
  
  cheers
- sicapitan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0true story
pferreira, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Portuguese rule :)
Matt-lars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Muito bom
flowaus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3How the ***** did this make it to the front page?
3xpt0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Lets go to history:

Since 1397 ... we are the worlds navigation experts ( Because of the legacy of the Arabian people left us the Moors) ... we are half moors :P ( dam I hate to say this )

The Portuguese World Travel;

1415 - Begins the New Order in World recognition (With the Kings of Spain and Portugal), Britain where in war in that days with France

The Portuguese Islands:
* 1425 -The Discover of island Porto Santo.
* 1427 - The discover os Azores Islands

The african routes Begins:
* 1434 - Gil Eanes "curves" the Cape Bojador.
* 1441 - Viagem ao cabo Branco em que Gonçalo Afonso acompanha Nuno Tristão.
* 1444 - Dinis Dias descobre o cabo Verde e a ilha de Palma.
* 1445 - Álvaro Fernandes ultrapassa o cabo Verde.
* 1446 - Realizam-se três expedições à Guiné.

The discovery os 2 islands in Azores;
* 1452 - Diogo de Teive descobre as de Flores e Corvo (Açores).

The Discover of Cape Verde Island;
* 1456 - Cadamosto descobre ilhas do arquipélago de Cabo Verde.
* 1471 - João de Santarém e Pedro Escobar vão do golfo da Guiné à foz do Níger.
* 1483 - Segunda viagem de Diogo Cão à costa africana, durante a qual atinge o rio Zaire.

The discover of South Africa:
* 1488 - Bartolomeu Dias curves to CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.

The Discover of India / Returns
* 1497 -1499- Vasco da Gama found Índia routes and returns.

The Discover of Brazil ( Colombo propose to the king in Portugal to go there but the King said NO, so he went to the Kings in Spain and they said ok ( after he tell them that the Portuguese found new land ) he discovers some islands near US;
* 1500 - Pedro Álvares Cabral a tracks to the brazilian coast.

The routes to New Land = Canada ... We did not found CANADA only the Routes based on some Arabian scrolls;
* 1500 -1501- Gaspar Corte Real navigates to NEW LAND.
* 1511 - Francisco Serrão went to Island Molucas.

First Contact with the Chinese:
* 1517 - First contact with China. In this year WE began to seed the TEA to the world ... Europe eheheh

Last but not list...arrival by the Portuguese ( first european on JAPAN ... give them some new words Like i.e. Espingarda (Shot gun, Obrigado = arigato etc etc );
* 1542 ou 1543 - Chegada dos primeiros portugueses ao Japão.

Cheers
- doomcraft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm going to print this and make it a poster on my wall.
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, what happened to you Portugal - you used to be cool...
luisbug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's always nice, for a portuguese person, to see a portuguese reference on digg's first page. This is only the second time i see it happen. The first was about this guy who built a computer mod with wood or something. I think that a bunch of others researchers disagree with this guy, and a bunch of others support him.
Anyway, each country teaches their children history the way they want to!
tinker123, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1The headline is all wrong. The Portuguese did NOT "discover" Australia. There were people already living there....the Aborigines. They were just the first Europeans to learn of its existence.

Seriously, imagine how ludicrous it would sound if some primitive tribe that was isolated from the world with a really good boat, landed on Manhattan, and went around saying they "discovered" New York
- djchester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, as some of you haven't understood. The word "discovered" means in this case that the European civilization "discovered" Australia in the sense that they didn't know of it before. Yes we know that it was people already living there but this was an other civilization.
WikiEasy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'm gonna keep repeating myself till people either wise up or I tire out.

Stop calling them RIAA. Call them Sony, BMG, and whoever their contributing/funding members are. We've got to let them know that they can't hide behind a throw-away name like RIAA.
r00tus3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yup, and for those of you who don't know, Columbus didn't discover the West Indies either. There were already Africans there before he arrived. It's sad that so much of what they teach us in school, with just a bit of research can be proven to be completely false.
- tinker123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When I made that point somebody mentioned context and common usage. Well, regarding context and common usage I believe that when people say " X discovered Y land mass" it has the connotation that people were not already living there and that the land was wide open for the taking.
  
  The reality was there were people and civilizations on those lands, who had their land taken away from them by force.
  
  That is reality, modding it down doesn't change it.
  
  Our ancestors ( well, not mine in particular ) gave us Austrailia and the US by taking the land away from other people often with the effect of destroying those people.
  
  If we respect the truth, we have to speak it.
ShinGouki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hello! Has anyone a link to a better quality(high res) version of the described maps? The reuters pic were low quality..
anyone? thx!
firstprimate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Asking whether Australia, North America, West Indies, etc had native inhabitants before being discovered by the Europeans is not as interesting as asking whether they had native inhabitants after being discovered by the Europeans.

All welcome our European overlords - or else...
ohandre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1damn right we discovered it!!!

Finally proof for those who called me a liar :D
mtgarden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While I know that this author isn't very well respected by the establishment, I think that he is worth reading. (He isn't respected because he believes that advanced civilization existed on the earth 6 ,000 years ago, and no, he isn't a creationist or into ID.) In his book, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, Charles Hapgood studies an ancient map from Piri Reis. In his study of this map and others, he concludes that the entire earth was mapped by cartographers thousands of years ago.

Here's why I think you might like the book: he explains the process of his reasoning, including the dead ends, so that you can evaluate his results and decide for yourself. I like that; I hate being told what to believe and to "shut up" whenever I challenge the status quo. Even if you don't agree with his conclusions, the theory and process throughout the book are worth pondering.
toddhenkel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Portuguese should have patented the island. Then they could take the British and Dutch to court, get an injunction to shut down all operations on the island and demand payment for lost opportunities. And the DCMA could be utilized to ensure no one copies the map without authorization.
jambox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I read that "Wyoming" is a Chinese name. Don't know if it's true but I couldn't find anything to say what it had been named after...

Anyone know for sure?
DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Portuguese women are cute.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/article-1020.546-fr.html
kolobcreek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bloody hell. Try and take it back. We'll sick Crocodile Dundee on them.
- cavadela, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3no one really wants a island that big. it's full of australians anyway...
dBass, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2How do you "discover" a country if when you got there, people were already there? Tagged as Euro centric *****.
- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did someone piss on your cereals this morning or what?
ciws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wait for the last one when you find out that Columbo was Portuguese.
lowededwookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So what? It was the British that landed and stole the land. Who found it first is immaterial.

I live in New Zealand and everyone knows Abel Tasman discovered New Zealand first but it was James Cook that landed first. By "found first" I mean discovered by "learned" society, i.e. Europeans.

Of course there's now huge debate over that even due to ruins found that predate the Moriori and Maori and are in fact reminiscient of Gaelic cultures which is quite a spanner in the works. Apparently these people were there 1000 years before the Moriori
Aussie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We'll never know when the Aborigines arrived. The figure just gets multiplied by a few thousand every few years. It used to be 20,000 years ago, now it's about 80,000. We'll be taking bets.
OMGLINUXWOAH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So the Aborigines who lived their have Portugal to thank. Fascinating.
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