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- ogore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+38I, for one, welcome our new Portuguese overlords
- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -11/+35Aborigines anyone? I realize it says Europeans though.. but still, as Chris Rock said it's like discovering someones backyard.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+18(I'm an Australian)
Please don't take me as being cocky, but I thought it was common knowledge. When I was in Year 3 (9 years old), we learned that it was a misconception the British "discovered" Australian, and in fact there had been at least three recorded explorers before Captain Cook found it. Abel Tasman discovered Tasmania and called it "Van Diemen's Land" sometime during 1642.
After a bit of reading on Wikipedia, it turns out that it's more a "theory" that the Portuguese discovered Australia. Funny though, but our Year 3 teacher told us they were the first people who discovered it, almost as if it was fact..
Of course there were no doubt countless others who discovered it, probably before the Portuguese or Dutch.. but I doubt we'll every really know :) - Domza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16This explains why we have tasty Nando's and Oporto Chicken in our sunburnt land.
Thank you Portugal, your cultural contributions have been duly noted. - wonderchemist, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20I'm surprised, given the closeness that the Chinese didn't discover Australia before the Europeans did. The Chinese had sufficiently advanced sailing technology to do so. Or maybe they did, since the article is just discussing European exploration, anyone know?
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Unless you know where you fit into the world you are undiscovered - just a social island.
- Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19This is a race for who was the first to ***** up someone else's land.
- audiowizard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11quote "How exactly does a continent get "discovered". They don't exactly get lost. They're not concealed. They're not a secret."
Holy ***** you kids today are proving to be ***** morons...sorry to be so harsh, but jesus christ!!! Quit trying to be funny so often.
Imagine a world centuries ago (a long long time)....without Xbox's, myspace, and internet porn. Now imagine you bought a map at the local 7/11 (those have been around since the dinosaurs) the map only shows so far as the edge of your country.....it is in this era that you can discover new lands and map them as a cartographer. I figure you'd at least have the sense of that from all your WOW gaming. - hannahmar, on 06/11/2009, -3/+12Sarcasm or not... seriously, WTF
- jubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8anyone whos ever bothered to read history will realise that this is nothing new, and is in fact, old, old news. Ancient philosphers and early martime explorers had theorised about a terra australis to "balance" out the great land mass in the northern hemisphere. European spice traders on their way to indonesia would take advantage of the roaring fourties winds to take them east and occasionally they would end up on the west cost of australia that is by european standards rather barren, and most Australian kids will have heard of Dirk Harthog. The difference is that James Cook on his way Hawaii landed on the fertile east cost and made note of it. After which the british claimed New Holland as terra nullias and was subsequently colonised by the British beginning with the landing of the first fleet in 1788. If anyone is keen have a read of Robert Hugh's "The Fatal Shore"
- onerob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"We are fierce rivals with them in a number of sports"
During the Ashes, us Brits weren't so much rivals as victims. - LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Does this qualify as a LOST connection? i.e. the Portuguese guys at the listening station and the departure point for flight 815?
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Or to build cities, offer advanced healthcare, increase the standard of living and life span, etc.
- doomcraft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm going to print this and make it a poster on my wall.
- mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I was taught the same thing daza, there was even speculation that they made their way into Corio Bay (Off Port Phillip Bay) in Geelong (my home town), after the discovery of a thought to be Portuguese key, thought to be from the 16th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geelong_keys
man, Wikipedia has everything - ashandfire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"SYDNEY (Reuters) - A 16th century maritime map in a Los Angeles library vault proves that Portuguese adventurers, not British or Dutch, were the FIRST EUROPEANS to discover Australia, says a new book which details the secret discovery of Australia."
Just Read the article before posting next time. kk - Matt-lars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Muito bom
- ogore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Isn't that off the back of a mambo t-shirt
- MotionAesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Europeans discovered X. Nothing wrong with saying that.
I can discover a street in my city that I didn't know was there. - luisbug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's always nice, for a portuguese person, to see a portuguese reference on digg's first page. This is only the second time i see it happen. The first was about this guy who built a computer mod with wood or something. I think that a bunch of others researchers disagree with this guy, and a bunch of others support him.
Anyway, each country teaches their children history the way they want to! - 3xpt0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Lets go to history:
Since 1397 ... we are the worlds navigation experts ( Because of the legacy of the Arabian people left us the Moors) ... we are half moors :P ( dam I hate to say this )
The Portuguese World Travel;
1415 - Begins the New Order in World recognition (With the Kings of Spain and Portugal), Britain where in war in that days with France
The Portuguese Islands:
* 1425 -The Discover of island Porto Santo.
* 1427 - The discover os Azores Islands
The african routes Begins:
* 1434 - Gil Eanes "curves" the Cape Bojador.
* 1441 - Viagem ao cabo Branco em que Gonçalo Afonso acompanha Nuno Tristão.
* 1444 - Dinis Dias descobre o cabo Verde e a ilha de Palma.
* 1445 - Álvaro Fernandes ultrapassa o cabo Verde.
* 1446 - Realizam-se três expedições à Guiné.
The discovery os 2 islands in Azores;
* 1452 - Diogo de Teive descobre as de Flores e Corvo (Açores).
The Discover of Cape Verde Island;
* 1456 - Cadamosto descobre ilhas do arquipélago de Cabo Verde.
* 1471 - João de Santarém e Pedro Escobar vão do golfo da Guiné à foz do Níger.
* 1483 - Segunda viagem de Diogo Cão à costa africana, durante a qual atinge o rio Zaire.
The discover of South Africa:
* 1488 - Bartolomeu Dias curves to CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.
The Discover of India / Returns
* 1497 -1499- Vasco da Gama found Índia routes and returns.
The Discover of Brazil ( Colombo propose to the king in Portugal to go there but the King said NO, so he went to the Kings in Spain and they said ok ( after he tell them that the Portuguese found new land ) he discovers some islands near US;
* 1500 - Pedro Álvares Cabral a tracks to the brazilian coast.
The routes to New Land = Canada ... We did not found CANADA only the Routes based on some Arabian scrolls;
* 1500 -1501- Gaspar Corte Real navigates to NEW LAND.
* 1511 - Francisco Serrão went to Island Molucas.
First Contact with the Chinese:
* 1517 - First contact with China. In this year WE began to seed the TEA to the world ... Europe eheheh
Last but not list...arrival by the Portuguese ( first european on JAPAN ... give them some new words Like i.e. Espingarda (Shot gun, Obrigado = arigato etc etc );
* 1542 ou 1543 - Chegada dos primeiros portugueses ao Japão.
Cheers - DougO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You sound like one of those old muppet guys in the balcony. Stay still, I'll call you a waaaaaaaaaahbulance.
- violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Of course so long as were talking of discovery we all know it is speaking of the advanced civilizations of the West, since everyone else is apparently lost and need finding."
Don't be so bitter. Discovery is a relative term, you discover things every day. If what you're talking about is indigenous peoples, then you should probably look at it as someone discovered them, they didn't discover everyone else. Whether that's a good or bad thing is debatable of course. Indigenous cultures rarely have the choice of "being left to themselves", and that's certainly not just a Western thing. - blizake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Miguel descobriu Australia após tudo!
- cavadela, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3no one really wants a island that big. it's full of australians anyway...
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3As jubuntu noted, Cook saw one of the most fertile parts of Australia, where as others had seen dry, arid land. Almost 90% of Australian's live on the coastline (that is, within an hour or so from the ocean).
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13How exactly does a continent get "discovered". They don't exactly get lost. They're not concealed. They're not a secret.
Anyway, it doesn't matter which Europeans happened to sail near / land on Australia first. It doesn't change anything. It's not like we'll all start discurso no português. *****.
Edit:
To explain linkedlist's comment further - Aboriginal Australians date back 10's of thousands of years. Neighbouring Asian cultures are thousands of years old. - Sputtnik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Afinal os Portugueses já descobriram o DIGG!
( After all, Portugueses already discovered DIGG! ) - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did someone piss on your cereals this morning or what?
- jambox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3both valid points!
"discovery" never ends well for the indigenous - if they don't round you up and shoot you, their foreign diseases will total your entire civilisation.
morally I suppose it depends how you treat the indigenous peoples - in the cases of america (north and south) and oz, there were massacres and forced evictions, followed by some fairly paltry reparations after the fact.
new zealand seemed to do a bit better at this, any maoris out there with a view on this? - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, what happened to you Portugal - you used to be cool...
- mtgarden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While I know that this author isn't very well respected by the establishment, I think that he is worth reading. (He isn't respected because he believes that advanced civilization existed on the earth 6 ,000 years ago, and no, he isn't a creationist or into ID.) In his book, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, Charles Hapgood studies an ancient map from Piri Reis. In his study of this map and others, he concludes that the entire earth was mapped by cartographers thousands of years ago.
Here's why I think you might like the book: he explains the process of his reasoning, including the dead ends, so that you can evaluate his results and decide for yourself. I like that; I hate being told what to believe and to "shut up" whenever I challenge the status quo. Even if you don't agree with his conclusions, the theory and process throughout the book are worth pondering. - v0yeur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ takamalak
saying everyone on Digg are "putos e putas" is bad, posting on Digg with that comment is simply moronic, lol - toddhenkel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Portuguese should have patented the island. Then they could take the British and Dutch to court, get an injunction to shut down all operations on the island and demand payment for lost opportunities. And the DCMA could be utilized to ensure no one copies the map without authorization.
- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Portuguese women are cute.
http://www.womenonwaves.org/article-1020.546-fr.html - prajo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9According to research by Gavin Menzies (from the book 1421: The Year China Discovered The World), European explorers actually used Chinese maps to navigate to the new world, including Australia. "Discovered" being used in the sense of the first non-aboriginal travelers of course.
- ostracize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26 year-olds are taught Columbus discovered America.
12 year-olds are taught Columbus didn't really discover America.
Nobody is taught that no one can "discover America"
America was a nation formed out of a group of British colonies in a land that was already well discovered. If anything Columbus discovered North America or the Americas. Some interesting tidbits in your post, but c'mon, you aren't 6 are you? The phrase "discover America" is just jibberish. - nejlepsi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Somos os maiores!!! Viva Portugal!!
Translation: Portugal rules! - Aussie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We'll never know when the Aborigines arrived. The figure just gets multiplied by a few thousand every few years. It used to be 20,000 years ago, now it's about 80,000. We'll be taking bets.
- zeromancer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4hey doug. i think he was kidding. speaking of sarcasm....
- varandasi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Quem é o Miguel?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Yep, I was taught the same thing to Daz, but although all these other people might have discovered Australia before Cook, He was the one who was resposible for the colonization of Australia, so i believe we should be giving him the credit, not these other guys...
(Although i would have rathered to have decended directly from Dutch than Poms.) - ostracize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And De Soto discovered the Mississippi well before Lasalle claimed it for France:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernando_de_Soto_(explorer)
(Like they wouldn't have found that anyway :P ) - 91degrees, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's always struck me. Sailors must have been bumping into Australia for years before it was actually "discovered" by Europeans. Obviously they just didn't consider a new land to be particulalry interesting when there was money to be made on the trade routes.
- jambox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Loving stories like that. Imagine being the first person of your race to see some exotic new land... must be trippy as f*ck.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So the Aborigines who lived their have Portugal to thank. Fascinating.
- LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, they spoke Brazilian Portuguese. So there.
- djchester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, as some of you haven't understood. The word "discovered" means in this case that the European civilization "discovered" Australia in the sense that they didn't know of it before. Yes we know that it was people already living there but this was an other civilization.
- firstprimate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Asking whether Australia, North America, West Indies, etc had native inhabitants before being discovered by the Europeans is not as interesting as asking whether they had native inhabitants after being discovered by the Europeans.
All welcome our European overlords - or else... - ohandre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1damn right we discovered it!!!
Finally proof for those who called me a liar :D -
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