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- mcewen98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27"The porous mineral powder is poured into the wound, where pores quickly absorb water, which concentrates the blood's clotting factors and so speeds up clotting" - it's not supposed to plug it like a cork - but rather increase the bloods ability to clot
- GreyEyedSavior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26I work on an ambulance and we've been using this stuff for a few months now, it's really amazing. Only problem is, it's expensive as hell. Or it was last time i checked, which admiteddly was a few months ago when we decided to make it standard on our rigs. Its avalible from GALLs (http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=FA059) if you wanted to check it out.
- lunar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I just got done with my Haz-Mat refresher for the fire department that I work for, and the instructor showed us some experiments involving mixing different harmless household chemicals to see what would happen.
One of those was mixing sodium acrylate with water or blood. When sodium acrylate is mixed with blood from a wound, for example, the crystals expand and help the blood clot better. Normally, sodium acrylate is used as plant food (to hold water), but at $15 for a 16oz can, he said sodium acrylate would make a cheap non-toxic alternative to the $40 / packet QuikClot - especially for fire departments with small budgets like mine.
http://www.watercrystals.com/How_water_crystals_work.htm - OrangeWhip, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12You mean like was used in "Serenity"?
- cable22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This is not used by every Marine as the article indicates. The only thing I had in Iraq was a medkit with some bandages and chapstick.
Man... we were such hardasses. - mrnephilim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8if you're a woodcarver you know that pepper does pretty much the same thing.
- GuyNextDoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They put this in all of our deployment bag med kits standard now-a-days. It is considered the absolute LAST RESORT if no other methods to stop bleeding are working. This means that you actually only use QC after your try a tourniquet (or if a tourniquet wouldn't work due to injury location), which was the previous "last resort" option. As always, pressure and the use of bandages is the first option. Quik-Clot is extremely potent, so you have to be careful with it.
- Eaglefire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Be careful about that. According to wikipedia, sodium polyacrylate crystals sold for plant use may contain some monoacrylamides, which are a neurotoxin. Even though the bottle says "non-toxic" I would still be wary.
Also the plant crystals are large and have low surface area. They won't absorb water very quickly (about one hour to full saturation) as compared to polyacrylamide powder sold as "Fake Snow" novelty. That fine powder moves to full saturation in a few seconds.
So if you're going to get sodium polyacrylate for wounds, use powder. But still worry about that whole monoacrylamide neurotoxin thing. - dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5 That's either Adrenaline or Avitene and Vaseline made into a paste that clots a wound, applied with Q-tips.
- DrakeGTA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Pepper? I like to poor on the Salt myself.
- phrak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For the longest time I thought that Sulfanilamide (sulfa) used in World War II did this very thing. Turns out it just prevents infection. Digg teaches me something new everyday.
- DogHumpsMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You guys have it too easy these days. In my day, the corpsman didn't carry blood clotting sand, they carried a bag of rocks various sized rocks that they would jam into the wound. Not really, but it felt about the same as jamming a rock in a gaping wound. Knowing Mother Green, I'm surprised they aren't just issuing a giant styptic pencil and a mallet.
And you get chapstick too? WTF!
Semper Fi
As for the Quickclot, I'm glad to hear the company is trying to fine tune the product to reduce burning, but like the guy in the article said, if it comes down to a second degree burn or bleeding out, well, that's not really much of a choice the, is it? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If only they had this in the America's Army game - maybe I wouldn't bleed to death so much then.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4cable22 - Sorry to hear that. Our entire battalion had them in our med kits. Fortunately, we got whole new generation kits, not the dumb little green plastic boxes that are always empty (except for that damn chap stick and iodine pills).
In fact, I found a package sitting in a room in house we cleared, so I grabbed it and brought it home with me. I'm just waiting for someone to get a huge ass wound so I can use it on them. - jguerry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it's either "a tear to my eye" or "tears to my eyes".
- joebrent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Many professional musicians carry around bottles of superglue in their cases, especially stringed instrument players. Every so often, if the weather is really dry, or if you've been playing more than usual, your callouses will peel off and bleed. If you have to keep playing, you just superglue yourself back together. I once played a gig with a viola player who, an hour before the gig, had cut off the tip of her index finger while chopping vegetables. She superglued it back on and proceeded to play an hour and a half of Beethoven on it. I should add that she's 5'2", 100 pounds (maybe), and WAY tougher than I'll ever be.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They use this stuff on horses and boxers. Horses can't race while bleeding and boxers can't box while bleeding, so they have to clot it up.
- ferrix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We can stop that with QC now.
- Jeebugorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2another usefull method to stop bleed for an open wound.....super-glue. the army used that back in WW2 but it still works. everyone knows it bonds instantly to skin....just prolly never thought of it actually bonding skin.
- cheekybastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Whats with the National Enquirer headline? 'Sand poured into his wounds' is on par with "Late breaking news that could potentially endanger the life of you and your family .... details at 11"
- Pizpump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The safety problem in the way of QuikClot's wider use arises because of the large amount of heat the material releases when it absorbs water, sometimes enough to cause second-degree burns. In the face of a life-threatening injury, this may be a price worth paying."
"Is that QuikClot?! No way man...I might get a little skin burning. Better to just let me die." - koguma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"In studies on pigs with severed arteries, the survival rate was 100 per cent; with a standard gauze dressing, more than half the animals died." Man, that's some nasty animal testing...
- raindog469, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Those who are talking about pet groomers using it, I think the styptic powders and pencils they use are only meant for superficial cuts like the "cut the claw too close" kind. It's also about 10 bucks an ounce. I have a jar of the powder at home, and it says "for external use only" on it.
If they're talking about saving someone's life from blood loss, I'm thinking that's more of an internal use. - jkaiser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 chapstick, eh? I hope it was at least spf 15.
- skell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If they can make this a bit safer in regards to the heating, this would be a priceless tool at the consumer level, given that the user knows only when to use it. I'm sure we'd all keep this in our cars and first aid kits. Very promising medicine.
- lilazndrumrboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmm.....this looks like this stuff my grandma had.......but it was like ancient chinese brown powder stuff that acted just like this stuff.........when i cut my thumb with a razor when i was was cutting some....i forgot........but it like clots it up really fast.........so it's basically quikclot, minus snazzy name, plus strange confusing chinese symbols........yep.......
- secretdiffusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How did they discover quick clotting sand? "I think I'll pour sand into this huge wound." ::dies:: Another guy does it and survives. "MIRACLE SAND"
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I saw a video of this. They had the pig knocked out, and they cut a huge hole into it's stomach. Pured in the QC, and the bleeding stopped immediately. Which is amazing, because that pig was pouring out a lot of blood.
- capellathestar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hah, this is weird. A company named BioLife , that's also in Florida - Sarasota, are developing and distributing QR powder that does the same thing. Talk about a close competition!
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gotta watch out though. Because of how much it burns, and how light it is (like saw dust), if you trying puring this into someone's wound while down wind, you're gonna ***** yourself up. Last thing you want is this stuff blowing back into your eyes or mouth.
I brought a bag of this home from Iraq, and can't wait till I get to use it on a friend. "Yeah that's right Joe, just a little closer to that broken glass. Yes, I'm sure the TV remote is over there!" - mexter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isn't this the same Quik powder one uses to clot up wounds in pets? It sure sounds like the same stuff.
- theonlybigboss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1awesome i live in pinellas county right next to Hillsborough, and i had no idea that the cops here had quickclot
- bloodguard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Meh. Still not as good as Hurtloam.
- infonography, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pure granulated Sugar does the same thing. But you will need to clean wound obviously. This is intended to stop all the blood from gushing out. http://www.smtl.co.uk/WMPRC/DressingsTimes/vol3.2.txt also some useful methods of wound dressings.
- cryonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the headline is kind of funny. basically "mans life saved by life saving product" i dont see anything special about this. if his life was saved by packing tampons into the wound then maybe we have something. but when a product does what its suppose to do, and probally saved hundreds of other lives; why is that suddenly news when this one guy gets saved by it?
- TeyNur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Surprising that there isn't a cross link to the article that might be an even better solution via the venom of the Taipan snake. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200603/s1582271.htm
- tiuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Coffee grounds hurt like hell but also work.
- ntnwwnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This remindes me of the "BioFoam" that's used by the Master Chief and his Spartans in the HALO books.
- theYevvin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I prefer quikcrete.
- markperia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1My doctor gave me those for the cuts im my hands after sclerotherapy about 5mths ago. I think hospitals have been using these for a while. Im not sure if its the same thing though. Its sandy but on the label its says that its not supposed to be used for really deep cuts.
- StacyWebb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This has been used on dogs for years, my wife is a dog groomer and for 18 years that I know of she has used this is one of her groomers cut a dogs toenail to short and it bled. Worked very fast, You can also use the head of a match (sulfur) stick and do basically the same thing.
- MaZAKaR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Did someone unlock the Sands of Time again? Dang it!
- Chuud0ku, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have had a package of this stuff for almost 2 years. It came in a first aid kit I got.
- dendrimer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Sounds like the crap I used in my radiator when it got jabbed by a sharp stick and bled out. I think it is called Alumaflux... you dump in what basically amounts to metal filings, they flood the to the hole and "clot". The engine heat fluxes the metal and forms a permanent seal.
This is way cooler, though. - jguerry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i'm gonna cut myself right now so i can try out some sugar!
*cuts self*
*looks for sugar*
Holy ***** I don't have any sugar!
*asks neighbor for a cup of sugar with hands bleeding*
*neighbor gives weird look and gives a whole bag of sugar*
hah, i guess they won't be inviting me over anymore - BlackHawkOG, on 01/15/2008, -0/+0QuikClot is amazing stuff, I always carry it with me. www.BotachTactical.com has Quikclot ACS on SALE for $22.00
- cinnamonray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Check out the abstract from the Journal of Trauma at http://www.jtrauma.com/pt/re/jtrauma/abstract.00005373-200306000-00005.htm; Seems there's some good science out there on this stuff.
- ybdetsop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Superglue really works both for cuts (e.g. from an xacto knife) and rashes (e.g from falling).
Clean the wound with water, glue shut or cover with glue. It's painless, healing is accelerated tremendously and scarring reduced.
The only problem is convincing the wounded that it is not going to hurt and that it isn't poisonous. Don't use accelerators or epoxy, just plain thin standard superglue. - foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1what happens if you put REAL sand on a wound? what happens if sand gets into the body?
--just curiosity poking at my meager intellect. - foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2ahhh, i say-a, back in da good ol' days, we woodcarvers weren't 'posed to cut arrselves. den again, times have-a changed. arr. gemme some-a dem peppers. arr.
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