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- EdLesMann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"How do you save money by doing this??"
Simple...McDonalds throws out their fry grease everynight...they just dump it into the dumpster. We supply a bucket for them to fill up....its not really anything extra for them to do and its not like they are losing out on anything...we then pick it up later in the week when we need to refill....
the down side of this is....too many people going after the grease and it becomes a demand so it wont be any cheaper and with fast food resturants cutting down on the greasy cooking it will mean less grease to throw out... - teh_toaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been looking for a car to test this on myself, but I'm sure theres a downside somewhere. Nothing is That easy.
- crazymexican05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1unknown1987 you are my hero.... i know the person who submitted this and he is a annoying little veg head
- sameerb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok let me try to explain, the carbon dioxide is THE major greenhouse gas.. The CARBON in carbondioxide come from two seperate sources in biodiesel and regular gasoline. In regular gasoline, it comes from fossils made over millions of years.. In biodiesel it comes from ATOMOSPHERIC carbondioxide the plants (from which we make vegetable oil) absorb. So in short to make X tons of CO2 by burning biodiesel, the plants have to trap atleast X tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.. got it?
- hellb0y, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is there such a difference in price between vegetable oil and gas??
By checking my grocery site 3Litres of vegetable oil for 4.99$..
Gas this morning was 0.88$ a Litre and Diesel is even cheaper!
How do you save money by doing this?? - solarpowered, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But... how do you value your time?
The *economic* hallmark of civilization is the degree of "division of labor".
I write code, someone else makes diesel fuel. Each does what he does best, for max efficiency.
If you have time to make diesel fuel less efficiently than a (bio)diesel producer, go ahead. Otherwise, you're doing something *unsustainable*.
- mikesum32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can get used cooking oil from fast food restaurants for cheap or free.
- mikesum32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've seen tv and read info about this.
AFAIK the diesel engine was designed to run on vegatable oil.
I think all you need is a filter and a heater to run off oil.
I don't think bio-diesel from oil needs any modification. - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"How do you save money by doing this??"
Your grocery is charging you for packaging, and middleman mark up. How much is lamp fuel at your grocery? - bugmeno19135, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well I just found the tax code on it. Here it is: An exclusion from tax on the "blended taxable fuel" mixture is provided in Treasury Regulations section 48.4081-1(c)(1)(ii) for minor blending if: during any calendar quarter the removal or sale of the mixture in aggregate by the blender is less than 400 gallons. So from the way I read that is as long as you don't use more than 400 gallons every 3 months you're in the clear as far as taxes go.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is old news. My stepdad's been working on his car to do the same thing for a long time now. He's been too busy to actually get it running, but the concept of BIODIESEL has been around for a long, long time now. It's not news. No digg.
- Volarex, on 01/13/2009, -0/+0water fueled car already exist, check this out
http://be-sm4rt3r.blogspot.com/2009/01/history-wat ... - robjw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Americans - please stop being so dumb... The article mentions the UK several times and so the savings are based on UK fuel prices. Diesel is about £0.90 a LITRE here.
- wherley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Be careful, there is a reason BioDiesel exists. The conversion from vegetable oil to biodiesel (like they did on Trucks and Dirty Jobs) is done for reasons. The prime one being biodiesel is less viscous than vegetable oil by almost an order of magnitude.
People that want to run SVO (straight vegetable oil) in their diesels for any length of time usually get a conversion kit such as Elsbett, Greasecar, etc.
Chart on viscosity: http://www.brevardbiodiesel.org/viscosity.html - mouseman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Vegetable oil is renewable: it's not a fossil fuel, so it doesn't contribute to global warming."
That is an interesting conclusion. I am pretty sure that burning vegetable oil DOES contribute to global warming. Coal comes from plants...and it emits carbon dioxide, so why wouldn't vegetable oil?
I definitely wouldn't trust converting my diesel engine to someone this stupid. - CuriousBeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have been really looking into this because the savings and the effect that it has on the environment is just too significant to just "blow off". A used Diesel car is usually several hundred dollars less than a comparable used gas vehicle. To burn straight Used Vegetable Oil you need two separate fuel tanks one heated and one not. The heated tank has the filtered Veggie Oil that you collected for free from MacDonald's, Burger King, Dun-kin Donuts, the other tank has regular diesel fuel. You will also have to change all the rubber tubes that the fuel runs through to clear plastic like you use in an aquarium (the veggie oil eats through the black automotive rubber. It is my intention to go through with this but I intend to purchase a brand new four wheel drive dual cab pickup truck with a large diesel engine and dual fuel tanks already built into it. I figure that because I will be spending only .10 to .15 a gallon for my fuel (tops) the vehicle would pay for itself.
- cryptocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0um...how does this save money?? i just spent 2.49 on a half gallon container of vegetable oil 2 days ago...that means it would be 5.00 a gallon to fill up my tank with vegetable oil, as opposed to 2 or 3.00 a gallon for gas.
- pillfred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They had something like this on Dirty Jobs where this guy took old fryer oil filtered it and added some ***** and uses it in his cars. it seemed fairly complex but not to difficult if one were somewhat knowledgeable with chemistry. Said his cost was like 40-60 cents per gal.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm predicting peak grease in 3, 2...
- hellb0y, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Your grocery is charging you for packaging, and middleman mark up. How much is lamp fuel at your grocery?"
Good question.. They dont have any on the website. Ill check tonight, I got do the groceries.
Still ain't worth the trouble of keeping a barrel of veggy oil in my garage.. lol - Nighthawke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They use old fast-food fry oil, filtered to .5 microns so that it would not foul the injectors. Add a few additives so that it would not coagulate in low temps, not to mention insulating the gas tank.
When a car running old fry oil driving by people say the exhaust "smells like peanuts". Which is a damm sight better than smelling the old diesel exhaust fumes, which nearly kill some folks. - earlycj5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Saves on gas? Duh, diesel cars use, yup, DIESEL not gas so of course you have no savings on gas, because there was nothing to save.
On a serious note, there's plenty of folks who have been doing this for some time now. It's nothing new. There's folks who have two fuel tanks, one for SVO and one for diesel for starting the car. Once started, flip a switch and switch over to SVO. Works well from what I hear. I was never brave enough to try it. I just used biodiesel (from the pump) in my VW TDI. - kingofthegreens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is great! I think there needs to be a further guide about what engine modifications are necessary for every YMM that is compatible.
- lmarso, on 04/16/2009, -0/+0Got to love those innocent, naive Europeans. In the States, the article would have been filled with caveats. "Your own risk". "May void your warranty". "Could lead to engine seizure at high speeds and sudden death".
- chozsun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Do we in the US have to pay duty for using veggie oil in our cars?
How in the hell do they bust you? "Sir, your VW/Ford/Benz smells like a chicken fryer... pay up!" - seacaptain58, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just for FYI, if you use the bio for farm or marine use.. no taxes.. yes you can sell it as "heating oil" but be careful. As for diesels not having "power"..lol that is funny.. we have enough torque to pull 2 of your gas burners.. the only reason you have us in the top end range is because of RPMS,, that is why we get such great fuel economy. and by the way.. i dont pay ANYTHING for my diesel fuel as i use used crankcase oil and contaminated diesel fuel that is given away. I literally have hundreds of gallons of this stuff waiting at no cost for me to process . Beat that .. hehe..
- deegin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I'm predicting peak grease in 3, 2..."
lmao - stevec5000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The part about having to pay tax on vegetable oil is pretty funny!
- Jozer99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sae you some time:
Steps to convert your car to run on vegetable oil:
1. Put vegetable oil in your gas tank.
Thanks it. Really. Read the article if you don't believe me. - jodamiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Pollution Prevention group at my lab has a truck running on vegetable oil and they make batches here. They try to refine the formula to give the maximum ratio between performance and by-products. It's pretty cool.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I've seen tv and read info about this.
AFAIK the diesel engine was designed to run on vegatable oil.
I think all you need is a filter and a heater to run off oil.
I don't think bio-diesel from oil needs any modification."
You have to change some of the fuel lines for bio-diesel as it breaks down some of the more common rubber line materials. - ZipGenius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Pretty old news: vegetable oils in place of diesel are already in use in Italy.
The big matter is... It's an illegal action. Using vegetable oils, you don't pay taxes that you normally pay when you buy regular diesel, so Italian financial police may take action against you :( - got-haggis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if any of you have a VW TDI, be sure to hit up http://www.tdiclub.com, a great resource for TDI owners..and yes, they have an entire section dedicated to biodiesel.
- triplegmax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol
- fastfood15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i swear this is a dupe. I dont know, im too stupid
- oysteroyster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0how old is this news??
- shilano, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I have a car that runs on vegetable oil, which is legal in the UK (with a few restrictions).
I want to take the car on holiday to Italy. Can you confirm that it is still illegal to use vegetable oil as a fuel in Italy?
If so, which specific law does it break? - brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah unfortunately Blair's green government, trying to get you to use more public transport by hiking car taxes also makes it ILLEGAL for you to run your car on chip fat oil (they'll bust you if your car smells like a fish n chip shop). Talk about two faced government.
"You save money because fuel is very expensive in the UK... It's about $1.60 a litre for diesel at the moment." - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Forget vegetable oil, guys. I've come up with a car that runs on caviar and Faberge' eggs!
- mikesum32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0xutopia
Reduced emissions mean less polluting.
Another real plus for the environment is that the carbon dioxide and other things released from biodiesel are recycled by new plants.
So the CO2 was trapped by the plant and released in the car and trapped again in the plant.
Oil from dinosaur sludge or wherever had it's carbon trapped a long time ago and hasn't been in the atmosphere since, while plant's carbon was trapped much sooner.
Now time for bed.
Spell check doesn't work :-( - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Vegetable oil is renewable: it's not a fossil fuel
fossil fuel is renewable... it just takes longer.
I think the word you're grepping for is that fossil fuel is not "unsustainable" at current consumption levels.
...and as India and China come on-line fossil fuel will become even less reliable (from an availability prospective) as a fuel source.
Every era has to have it's twilight... gasoline and internal combustion engines will go the way of the steam engine eventually. My only worry is that the rare earth metals and copper required to make the high power, small form factor, light weight electrical engines will become so scarse that electric vehicles are never able to compete with the combustion of some type of fuel. - Wires, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0unknown1987 (0):
We'll make sure to publicly execute you first, considering you are an animal in biological terms. - monopoly41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"um...how does this save money?? i just spent 2.49 on a half gallon container of vegetable oil 2 days ago...that means it would be 5.00 a gallon to fill up my tank with vegetable oil, as opposed to 2 or 3.00 a gallon for gas."
u can use used grease. go to a restraunt and they probably will give it to you for free - beta1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OLD NEWS!!! VEG HEAD
- Specks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0'Do we in the US have to pay duty for using veggie oil in our cars?'
Yes ... and no. As long as you don't go over 400 gallons per quarter (1600 gallons per year) you're free and clear of any taxes. You can not sell the biodiesel though and you can not collect more than 2000 gallons of WVO at a time ( doing so requires a rendering license which I hear is a pain in the arse to get). To use straight WVO in an unmodified diesel engine you should have two tanks. One for diesel and one for the WVO. Start the engine on diesel and let it warm up then switch over to the WVO. Before shutting the engine off switch back to the diesel and do a cooldown or you could damage the engine. - eng69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Although on the site there is links to tax information on how to pay the taxes to drive legally. So say your car gets 30mpg and you drive 15000 miles per year. That means you burn 500 gallons of fuel. Most states its around 40 cents per gallon tax, so you would need to pay $200 per year in 'road taxes' I havnt read the tax link in that segment, so i dont know if thats how it works, but it should work that way, and we all know thats the way government works.
- metamorphosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Using waste cooking oil in your car is a good way reduce the use of regular diesel oil but what corporate agriculture wants to do is create more demand for it's products, if millions of people are driving their cars on soybean oil that will place a greater demand and increase the price, billions of people will have to pay more for their soybeans when the price goes up and many are already struggling to put food on the table, using bio-diesel on a large scale may create even more problems then it solves.
- Synthetik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I prefer performance over not burning fossil fuels. Yes I know they'll run out eventually, bit till then I'll be the guy blowing past your VW van that smells like french fires!
- brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Forgot to mention, IIRC its petrol tax evasion they'll do you for..
"makes it ILLEGAL for you to run your car" - cyclonus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hehe my uncle used to do this in india...
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