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- MargotCross, on 07/07/2009, -0/+19wow, everyone is losing their jobs nowadays.
- wannaBdug, on 07/07/2009, -0/+13I think this might be a job mice are willing to give up.
- srchgrrl, on 07/07/2009, -0/+11Well, if they can give us the swine or avian flu, they can help us cure it too...
- FourPtRoll, on 07/07/2009, -0/+6Great. As if we don't have enough ways to make their lives more painful and sufferable.
- cnot3, on 07/07/2009, -0/+6THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!
- yesbeegee, on 07/07/2009, -0/+5This little piggy was blessed with anthrax, this little piggy had toxic shock syndrome,
This little piggy had short sight, this little piggy had none
This little piggy cried hiv, wee, wee ... - askantik, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4But it's fun to pretend that most of the things we test on animals are useful and/or couldn't be tested on humans. It's also fun to put ***** in, say, our shampoo and soap that we have to test on animals... 'cause like, using things we already know are safe in simple things like soap is just not fun (or cheap enough). And of course, we all know Descartes was right about how animals are just machines and don't even have minds, let alone the ability to feel pain or suffering.
<world's biggest /s tag> - mogdor, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4They poked and prodded the mice until the cows came home.
- MayorMcCheapo, on 07/07/2009, -0/+4It makes sense, since we're spiraling into a future where we'll be using mice for food.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -1/+4Morality logically applies to anything concerning right or wrong, which can include the human treatment of animals. Furthermore, morality and altruism is found throughout the animal kingdom.
BBC News: Animals 'are moral beings'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3014747. ...
FTA:
"There is evidence that some animals do have some level of morality and some concern over other animals.
"Living within a group requires a moral code of behaviour... Most animals that live in communities exhibit similar moral codes to humans. - Leviathan433, on 07/07/2009, -2/+5Stop anthropomorphizing lab mice - they really couldn't care less. Plus, it is not like they are being set free as a result. Lab mice are bred specifically for testing. They really can't survive in the wild and wouldn't exist other than for these specific applications.
- janjamm, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3They really should give money to the chicken people. If chicken research can get us anywhere near solving ovarian cancer that would be an amazing boon to, ahem, all chicks.
- serif69, on 07/07/2009, -0/+3Looks like we just can't cownt on lab mice anymore. They chicken out of every experiment they meat.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -1/+3"Lab Mice Thrilled"
"Watch out, little white lab mouse."
Agreement fail. - toxicityj, on 07/07/2009, -0/+2cownt?!?!?!?!?!
- askantik, on 07/07/2009, -1/+31) The personification of lab mice was used for effect.
2) What difference does it make if they are specifically bred for testing or they can't survive in the wild? How is that relevant?
3) If we really want to tackle this issue, we should be asking why there isn't more A) research involving stem cells or B) research with consenting humans. In the way that you want to stop anthropomorphizing mice, I want to stop science from being all about humans and not allowing our moral compass to include any non-human animals. After all, the whole point of science (or more specifically, evolution) is that we are not the crown jewel of the animal kingdom. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -1/+2"Stop anthropomorphizing lab mice"
It's an obvious joke, gimme a break. - a3leggedmidgit, on 07/07/2009, -0/+0I took a research methods course about two years ago, being a psych major. We conducted research on rats. A thing about these rats is that, as Leviathan433 said above, they are specifically bred for research. They cannot survive outside of their little cages.
And "cages" is kind of the wrong word (ok it's the right word, but let me explain). Many animal rights activists haven't the slightest idea how good the rats we test on are cared for (at least at my school). They have fresh air changes every hour or so, their water is triple filtered, they eat only the finest rat chow, and the room is kept at a constant 70 degrees-ish. The rats are not killed after our research projects, they are kept to serve as rats for pre-trials for future experiments.
Granted, my experiment could have very easily been applied to the human model. I will be the first to admit it. My experiment was a pretty simple design: I had four lab rats and I administered caffeine and sleep deprived them accordingly. Then I'd run them through a maze (test cognition) and on a treadmill (test energy). However, when you take into account the feasibility of the research, the potential sources of error, and the resources at hand, it would be far less time consuming and expensive to do the research on the rats than humans.
I find the testing of cosmetics and other petty ***** like that very unnecessary. The situations where I do feel animal research is crucial for development of science is for the medical projects that you can't exactly get human participants very easily. AIDS, cancer, and other life threatening conditions.
I demand that every PETA-worshipping ***** volunteer to be injected with AIDS or cancer so they can be participants in that research. It will do a thousandfold more to help animals that are in the lab rather than setting them free. But no, that would make too much sense, so back to wrapping interns in saran wrap and letting them bake in the sun, or design a sexist ad campaign to shock and disgust people.
I'm a vegetarian and I despise PETA, and I support animal research. - Leviathan433, on 07/07/2009, -3/+1morality is a human construction that also has zero to do with animals.
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