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- elliotys, on 07/17/2009, -1/+21People suck, so why would we want to clone them.
- Snoogs, on 07/17/2009, -0/+17Even if scientists can make a new me and give me a full organ overhaul around 50, We will all still need new brains filled with our existing memories. That will be MUCH trickier.
- SirBruce, on 07/17/2009, -1/+13Er, no, it's been an ethical issue since DNA was discovered and since science fiction writers first wrote about cloning. We've got several decades of thought to draw upon.
- mparker21311, on 07/17/2009, -3/+13Can we has Albert Einstein?
- 4AntiStupid, on 07/17/2009, -0/+8The interesting question is...would a genetic duplicate of Einstein have similar abilities or would being raised in a different environment turn out a totally different person?
- Hetman, on 07/17/2009, -0/+8You mean the animals? Seriously the earth is just a rock that orbits the sun. It has not feelings. The reason we should protect the enviroment is because if we do not it will have a negative affect on human beings.
- YumYumTruck, on 07/17/2009, -2/+9Whats the ethical issue? I mean, the experiences of the clone wouldn't be the same, they would probably turn out as a completely different person. Even if we could clone the memories too, then what? who would actually care to have that service? the worst that could happen is some guy who's a complete dick gets cloned cause he had enough money and felt like it, and we have to deal with said dick for some more years, otherwise I really don't see what the big deal is.
- ThatEvilGuy, on 07/17/2009, -1/+7Apply iMe, now you can sync yourself through itunes with one touch of a belly button.
- kingmanic, on 07/17/2009, -0/+5Ethically a clone SHOULD legally be considered a much younger identical twin of the original. I hope thats the case.
- Hetman, on 07/17/2009, -0/+5I think we should clone a human just to see what happens. It would be an interesting to see the philisophical questions raised by clone walking around.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+5Because aging brain tissue develops plaque, which can lead to cognitive disorders over time. Also, any cumulative damage to the neural tissue is very difficult to repair, and often not fully realised until the damage has become quite profound. Repairing these issues would essentially require revitalising or replacing the organ as a whole.
- danfrnz, on 07/17/2009, -1/+6clones are people two.
...punned. - CrazedLeper, on 07/17/2009, -4/+9Pardon me but I'm more interested in the ways human cloning will *not* work. Not to mention why we would need to in the first place since sex has been working so well up until now...
- hellengineer, on 07/17/2009, -1/+6The theory for cloning humans is complete, it's only practicing it where non-scientific issues come up
- milomilomilo, on 07/17/2009, -1/+5I've never really understood why it is an ethical issue.
I've never seen anything in the bible about cloning, or the koran or any other holy book for that matter.
So religious folks think its wrong because...?
I sure hope it isn't some craziness like "only god should create life" because any clown with a working set of genitalia can go make some life. - Snoogs, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4Buried for stupid..
- ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -1/+5That would be like assuming if Michael Jackson had a twin brother, he'd automatically be just as talented.
- kingmanic, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4You don't understand evolution. You do realize that 'cloning' is the most widespread form of reproduction in the wider animal kingdom?
The reason incest is now taboo is because it concentrates recessive traits. A lot of pretty severe genetic diseases are recessive. This taboo is not universal and with first cousins it's not as bad as with siblings. Even so there isn't anything magical about incest. You don't spontaneously generate genetic abnormalities because you inbreed. You would just increase the frequency of recessive diseases that are already in your gene line. Our current taboo for first cousins is more cultural than 'genetic'. Evolution doesn't care either way. The ones that make viable kids will be favoured regardless of who made those kids.
Many animals favour sexual reproduction because you can breed out negative traits faster. This is important in animals with long generation times like us so that if a mutation that is positive is linked with a negative one this allows them to separate more easily. But it's not the binary 'good' 'bad' idea you have of it. Cloning is making a copy. If that copy does well in the environment in place and had no other side effects the cloning is not bad. It may promote a mono-culture which may be bad when there is a shift in the environ. But it isn't inherently bad. - ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -3/+6Just what we need...more people.
- kingatrock, on 07/17/2009, -1/+4People suck, so why would we want to clone them.
- borez, on 07/17/2009, -3/+6There are already too many people on this planet, why in hell would we want to create more?
- Sloi, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3Nanotechnology?
- TobiasParker, on 07/17/2009, -1/+4why?
- Hetman, on 07/17/2009, -1/+4We are very fragile. If we had that type of attitude we would not have made it as far as we did.
- browwiw, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3Biologically speaking, sheep are as complicated a mammal as humans. If you can clone a sheep, then you have the capacity to clone a human. But, yes, that is a funny sentence.
- bdbr, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3RTFA. The article said that therapeutic cloning has the most widespread acceptance - the ability to replace failing body parts (like a heart) with an identical one. Your body won't reject it, because it has your DNA.
- ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -1/+4Remember: genetic predisposition isn't the only factor in how you'll be when you grow up.
- ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3But they would still be different, since personal upbringing and experiences have very much to do with the person you end up as.
It's like cloning your dead dog and expecting it to be the exact same animal. It won't be. - TobiasParker, on 07/17/2009, -0/+3stem cells?
- Hetman, on 07/17/2009, -1/+4Way way back in the 1980's
Secret government employees
Dug up famous guys and ladies
And made amuzing genetic copies
Now their clones are sexy teens
Now they're going to make it if they tried
Loving, learning, sharing, judging
Time to laugh, and shiver and cry
Time to watch,
Clone High
Energetic and engaging
Clone High
Our Angst is Entertaining
Clone High
Our Lives are Never Boring
Who am I?
One of the best cartoons to ever be cancelled. - Mnementh2230, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2I think we've seen enough cautionary tales that we'll be careful, ShingoEX.
- inactive, on 07/18/2009, -2/+4There have been "clones" running around for the entirety of human existence. We call them "twins". I have no idea why some people get their panties in such a wad over the idea of cloning.
- ApokalypseNow, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2@Crazed
Reading comprehension FAIL.
You should stop forming your opinions of the world around Hollywood scripts - neither The Island nor The Matrix are good models of reality. - betona, on 07/17/2009, -1/+3Making them the old fashioned way is a hell of a lot more fun.
/made 3 of 'em that way myself. - nitsuj, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2@CrazedLeper,
" saw "The Island"."
Ha ha. That's funny. Let me guess: The Matrix, The Island, and I bet Capricorn One is on your list too?
I think we're beginning to see where you get your beliefs from. - mcmurch, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2I believe "Dollhouse" has already solved your problems.
- catchbigd22, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2I have no objections in continued research in cloning. Especially since all the reasons against it involve personal morals. They could really find a way to make it more helpful than hurtful.
- mcmurch, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Didn't it take three sheep to make Dolly? They took cells from two sheep and put them in another.
- ESmith2690, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Do want!
- gmiley, on 07/17/2009, -1/+3Ethics do not equate to religion, but even still I don't understand why any religion should have a problem with cloning. My argument would basically be: If there is a god, and humans were created by this god, given the capacity to learn and create things. Who is to say that this god did not intend for us to eventually learn how to create or clone life on our own. Wouldn't it be a waste of our gifts if we didn't continue try accomplishing new things? On the flip-side, if you do not believe in any god, then there should be no problem with cloning a human as long as any viable clones are treated as any other natural human with rights, and not as some lab rat experiment.
- se7envii, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Did you even read the article?
"Ian Wilmut, one of Dolly's co-creators, has even said that human cloning projects would be irresponsible. Cloning technology is still in its early stages, and nearly 98 percent of cloning efforts end in failure. The embryos are either not suitable for implanting into the uterus, or die some time during gestation or shortly after birth."
"Those clones that do survive suffer from genetic abnormalities. Clone cells may age more rapidly, shortening their lifespan, similar to what happened with Dolly. Some clones have been born with defective hearts, lung problems, diabetes, blood vessel complications and malfunctioning immune systems. One of the more famous cases involved a cloned sheep that was born but suffered from chronic hyperventilation caused by malformed arteries leading to the lungs."
"Opponents of cloning point out that while we can euthanize defective clones of other animals, it's morally problematic if this happens during the human cloning process."
Basically if it were legalized, there'd be a large number of defective babies or embryos that die off. How is it right to bring life into the world that more-than-likely will have all kinds of defects or even die shortly after birth? - gmiley, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2Science isn't always about necessity, sometimes we do things just because we are curious of the outcome. I would love to see a human cloned. Cloning could give us more insight into questions of environment versus heredity, nature/nurture.
- evergrim, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1Watched a great old anime movie with a plot about cloning last week. It's called The Secret of Mamo, it's part of the Lupin III series.
- Gloogle, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1Albert Einstein's dad was rich. It gave him the opportunity and confidence to day dream. He just had that genetic information at his disposal. And I mean by day dream I mean the developmental years until college.
- kingmanic, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1'Biologically, no one does. Neither do you'-grnicon
My Bsc (spec) and a dozen undergrad course in biology and bioinformatics say otherwise.
'Evolution theory stops at humans.'-grnicon
'And this is what inbreeding also does. It inhibits evolution.'
'Who is the judge of good or bad? Humans? That's my point.'
'If you clone a human that never had children, then that person obviously did not do well in that environment.'
Yeah your post provides abundant evidence that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are confusing the a-moral emergent behavior of a complex system (Evolution) with some mixed up pseudo religious crap. Adaptation is about survival. If you bring to life a 10,000 human clone and it does okay then it's fine. If you bring it around and it cannot deal with the temperature then it dies. Evolution works on population NOT individuals. Adaptation is the culling of unfit genes from a population pool over time and the introduction of variation through mutation, sex, and recombination. There is no direction so a million yeast cell or a modern yeast cell may do just as well in a environ.
Evolution has no direction. Does not require a why and acts on large groups. Additions of ancestral lines into the population pool are not necessarily negative and diversity encourages strength even ancient diversity. - bdbr, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1Again, its in the article: "Any kind of tissue or organ can be grown from these stem cells to treat various ailments and diseases." You don't grow an entire human body just to get an orgain.
- dungbeetle, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1How is babby formed?
- ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1But other factors are involved in "triggering" it. Just because someone potentially has such a trait doesn't mean they're automatically going to apply themselves to it.
- inactive, on 07/18/2009, -0/+1Look, for the science that has helped us produce another Dolly. For the science thanks for this is an ethical produce another Dolly. For the science works. Give thanks for the science and why not support it be known thanks for the sheeps have given that religion is facing today. Let it just yet, but I am fascinated how that science and religion is an ethical problem our generation is an ethical produce another Dolly. Let it just yet, but I am in thought.
- ShingoEX, on 07/17/2009, -1/+2Once again, people assume a clone would turn out to be the same person...
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