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- thinkb4utype, on 07/15/2009, -0/+20How do we get the politicians tested?
- LocalDocal, on 07/15/2009, -3/+22"Honest people don't have to work at not cheating. They're not even tempted."
Yeah, *****. The stakes were too low. The lower the stakes, the more honest people tend to be. If you ask someone to flip a coin for fun, then what are the chances that they're going to try to cheat? I would bet that all except pathological liars would tell the truth.
However, as you raise the stakes, the number of 'dishonest' will rise. Out of 100, how many will cheat if the bet was $1? How many will cheat if the bet was $10? How many for $100? $1,000? That was the issue with the article. They asked people to bet money, but how much was put on the line?
Want to easily get a large number of people to cheat? Ask them to bet their entire house and life-savings, then give them an easy way to cheat without being caught, and then lets see how honest they are. - gtrob, on 07/15/2009, -1/+12Using MRI's for social science is, generally speaking, complete *****. Source:
http://www.edvul.com/pdf/Vul_etal_2008inpress.pdf - Smilodon, on 07/15/2009, -0/+10As if you didn't already know which group they're in :)
- scarlettletter, on 07/14/2009, -0/+7Pretty soon we won't be able to get away with anything!
- yournightmare, on 07/15/2009, -0/+6I better find my dream job now before they implement brain scans as a test for honesty. I don't even cheat, but I do think about it. I try to think of as many courses of action as I can, but according to the article it's possible that people will be penalized just for THINKING about cheating.
- catalysis, on 07/15/2009, -0/+6This study showed a link between certain brain activity and the propensity to cheat. I think the first line was just to catch the reader's attention and not reflective of the actual conclusion, like all poorly written science articles.
- zip000, on 07/15/2009, -1/+6I must be an "Honest Joe" - whenever I find out someone is cheating, I'm always surprised. It just never really occurs to me to cheat and whenever it does, I'm so bad at it I always get caught.
- Paranor01, on 07/15/2009, -0/+4fMRI only shows increase of blood flow. It doesn't show actual brain activity. It is a correlation that is more assumed rather than accurate.
- Solkre, on 07/15/2009, -1/+4Get out of my head Charles!
- denizen42, on 07/15/2009, -0/+3Sounds fair indeed!
Let's call it "the people's new oversight of government" - FakeHipster, on 07/15/2009, -0/+3Did you read "The Tipping Point"? Theres quite an interesting piece in that book about how given the right circumstances, almost everyone will lie and cheat. Honestly isn't an open and shut thing, but a sliding scale that depends on the people and situation going on around you.
- Mavital, on 07/15/2009, -0/+3I was thinking the same thing. This type of research should be approached carefully, because it is making a false link between thoughts of cheating and the actual action of cheating.
Just because I walk into a bank, look around, and observe the lacking security doesn't mean I'm going to rob it.
I'd like to see how many of the test body were within "honest" limits, but still showed brain activity. - Slackdragon, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2Being a habitual cheat is a prerequisite for the job.
- unknownpoltroon, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2So now instead of looking at someone and being able to tell hes guilty because he looks guilty, we can scan their brain and say hes guilty? That sounds fair. Lets call it "Internal phrenology"
- fabkebab, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2Its a bit "Minority report"ish -
Dont you think a person has the right to actually do the cheating before they get punished for it ? - zip000, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2Eh. I tried to come up with a humorous response but have failed.
No, I'm in my 30's; I just don't like putting identifiable information online most of the time. - fhernand, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2are you lying? are you really 103 years old?
- catalysis, on 07/15/2009, -0/+2and the rebuttal..
http://www.sph.umich.edu/~nichols/Docs/NicholsPoli ... - gtrob, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1The rebuttal basically says, "yeah, we kinda know we're full of *****".
- XkenX87, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1Isn't a tale technically a lie?
So if they said tails, It was prolly heads. - konforce, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1“We become just by performing just actions, temperate by performing temperate actions, brave by performing brave actions.” - Aristotle.
- silverton, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1exactly. next question becomes: given inevitable BCI (brain computer interfaces), would you plug in to the Global Cognition Grid, knowing that every synapse is fully exposed to every other clump of neurons in the grid? pick your timeline, 10 yrs or 100; even modest forecasts place this eventuality within a generation or two. Try http://bci.ucsd.edu/ for starters. Try searching 'cognosphere' for more fun.
- inactive, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1I think it's what we condition the mind to do that comes most natural. The more one chooses honesty, the more natural of a choice it becomes - same with cheating.
- ZenMojo, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1Kind of like murder and homosexuality?
- AndySavage, on 07/15/2009, -0/+1I can get to the point of flirting egregiously while being tied up in a relationship, but there's a certain line that I don't think I would cross (what most people define as cheating on someone) unless my judgment were to be seriously impaired somehow. Of course because I've acted in a manner befitting a cheater up until that point, in a sense it makes me no better than someone who would cheat on their girlfriend. But I can take my case as an example and say that analyzing a person's behavior BEFORE the fact is not going to provide a reliable indicator of whether a person WILL eventually cheat or not.
- rxbudian, on 07/16/2009, -0/+1From what I gather, "Honest Joes" are too lazy to cheat...
- KiloKaan, on 07/15/2009, -0/+0I would imagine that brain activity would only increase for honest people, not dishonest ones
- inactive, on 07/15/2009, -2/+1social science is, generally speaking, complete *****
- inactive, on 07/15/2009, -1/+0Consult Bible. God gave us free will. Cheaters cheat due to temptation from Satan. I WILL admit that is might be possible that these MRI's are able to pick up Satan's whisperings.
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