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- capn_caveman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39Sigh... my apologies for the misspelling in the title.
- patrickweber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25@pbjorge12: Look at the last word in the title.
- pbjorge12, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21What mistake?
- vspazv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Girl: Hey, remember me? We met at Jake's last week
Guy: Umm... of course... how could I forget you... umm...
Girl: *opens shirt*
Guy: Oh hi Wendy! - msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I believe that. I used to have long hair, as soon as I got a haircut, people started just passing me bye. It appears that they recognize the hair, not the face (and yes, the hair was not covering the face)
- arunforce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I'd probably make the same mistake myself.
- Nowheredan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I probably have a mild case of this - I'm TERRIBLE with faces. God help me if someone dyes their hair or cuts it short. Who the hell are you people?!?
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+12Doesn't RECOGNITON sound like a really badass speech recognition robot?
So badass it could understand Sylvester Stalone.. or even Arnold... - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Cant recognize his wife?
How many times has he slept with someone else and thought it was his wife?
Scary...
"Honey, that was amazing last night"
"What was?"
"Oops!" - dallen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11My high school Trig teacher had that problem.. He used to assign us all seats in alphabetical order at the beginning of the year so he'd know who we were. If you ever saw him in the hall, he'd have no idea who you were unless he could recognize your voice or something else. He couldn't even recognize his wife's face
- hodyoaten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I am one of those with prosopagnosia. To me it feels like I have to see multiple permutations of a person's face several times to correctly memorize it... my memory does not seem to store the "rubberiness" of facial expressions. So I'd recognize my wife, family, and friends anywhere because I remember their many different expressions... but casual acquaintances, forget it. I always viewed milk carton pictures and "Americas Most Wanted" as a colossal waste of time, until I figured out that yes, there ARE people who can recognize a face after 5 or 10 years. That's freaky, but then again, those folks are truly at the other end of the spectrum. Now with static things, like trees, places, and surroundings, I have exceptional recall. That's what is strange.
You all have it lucky... the several seconds I spend trying to recognize someone from greetings, clues, and so forth, and not launching smoothly into my own greetings and kind words, have always cost several points from my social life. - devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Prosopagnosia is an interesting condition - I've read about it many times before in Psych and Neuroscience courses. It's good that it's being given attention as something more than just a super-freaky illness, but the idea that 1 in 50 people has it is completely ridiculous.
I can't dismiss the research as described, but the "2%" is entirely based on their opinions of who had a problem and who didn't. If that statistic were anywhere near true, we would all know it, because we would all know a bunch of people who wouldn't recognize us.
For those of you interested in the condition, the most famous description of it is in Oliver Sacks' "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat." - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I have just the opposite problem. I have a great memory for faces, but names are really tough. And the dump half life for names is about 6 months, so there is a good chance I'll remember who you were, and stuff about you, but not you name at all.
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I've been thinking about the face problem, and I think I've hit on a key. When a face evokes a _strong_ emotional response in me, it is much more likely to "imprint". Even a face that might remind me of someone else. But the emotional content really helps burn the face into the recognition center of my brain. Very cool! I will experiment with this, this could help quite a bit.
For example, the moment I saw my baby girl just after birth, I could pick her out of a crowd of crying babies, I have no doubt. The difference? I have to say the emotional content. - wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I kind of see your point. But here you are on Digg, communicating your thoughts with thousands of total strangers. Why?
- Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have the same problem, there are people ive been working with for 2 years and I wont remember their name, on the other hand I will see someone and recognise them, but not know who they are
- daRoach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Strange, I recognize people I've never seen before.
- rvalles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't have problems with objects, but as a curious anecdote I tend to see the cat where she isn't... like, I spot a dark t-shirt on the bed and think it's actually the cat. Paying attention that moment or later (where is the cat?) would make me discover that what I spotted was a t-shirt.
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32% is not hard to believe. I definitely have it. I've often told people, I can't remember a face, but I never forget a conversation. Yes, of course I can remember longtime friends or close associates. That is not the problem. Especially because most of those people you see in familiar settings, right where you expect to see them. But do you recognize the grocery clerk or whoever that you see maybe once or twice a week, or the librarian, or friend-of-a-friend, if you passed them on the street? I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are "functioning face-forgetters" because they remember other things about the person, type of clothes, hair, mannerisms, settings, voice. I'm much more likely to recognize a person on the telephone than face-to-face. Something about a voice just clicks for me. Facial recognition isn't about just "seeing" someone, the brain has some sort of "macro" program that treats faces differently than other visual stimulus. If you are deficient in that, you have more trouble recognizing faces.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Stallone isn't brain damaged, he had a mild stroke when he was a kid. That's why half of his face doesn't move. He's done very well despite that, however, and I admire him for it.
Then again, Chuck Norris wasn't born, he kicked his way out, so I give more respect to Chuck. - TheComputerMutt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> For those of you interested in the condition, the most famous description of it is in Oliver Sacks' "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat."
That book was awesome. A little dull near the end, but overall, awesome. - devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Kind of a good point but... but I don't know about you, but I meet people at all levels of sociability. They populate the world, have jobs, and are generally part of the random sample you meet on a daily basis. If 2% of the population has this condition, chances are their personalities differ as much as any other group, and we'd find them in lots of places, unhindered by their inability to recognize faces.
A figure like 2% seems pretty high to me because based on some two or three degress of separation math, we probably would have heard about many people with prosopagnosia over our years of hearing about others. Although a person might cope with it and deal with it, if it is recognizable by others even half the time I feel we would hear more about it. Anyhow, it's awfully ungenerous of you to call my opinion terrible and fallacious. - scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd doubt it would be a problem for most of them. There is a very specific and specialized part of the brain used in facial recognition.
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3BTW, the headline is over-sensational. Very few people are Totally incapable_ of recognizing faces.
- analgesia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Same problem here. I also have trouble 'hearing' names. Very irritating on the phone. When someone tells me his name I have already forgotten it (unless it's a person I know).
"hey, mom. someone on the phone for you."; "Who?"; "I have no idea ||:-|" - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if there's some sort of self-test one could perform to find out if they're one of these 2% (or if it's blatantly obvious if you have it and we're all just hypochrondriacs). I'm bad with faces, until I've seen someone several times - until that point I've learned to memorize other features (hair etc). So, if I see you once and you dye your hair and I see you the next day, odds are slim I'll know who you are unless you're wearing a nametag.
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just figured the "milk carton" pictures were meant to be recognized by aquaintences that the missing people have made over the years. If your spouse or co-worker turned up on a milk carton, you would bet they would have some explaining to do.
- MikeF74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ditto with me. I'm terrible with faces. I'm sure I'm part of that 2%.
- rvalles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just seldom if ever stop to look at people's faces. I am entirelly busy all day with my own thoughts, and if someone wants to talk to me he'll do it anyways, so why worrying?
- Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5That's a fallacious assertion. While it's entirely, ENTIRELY true that more study is needed, if this is a statistically valid study then your assertion is completely wrong.
Why?
Because you are assuming that the 2% of the population that has face blindness is just as socially active as the other 98%. Somehow, this means that 2% of the people you personally know would have to be faceblind. That's a terrible assertion. - titanass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If anything in my experience 2% is a low number for this I know several people that dont recognise many people they should know. I myself can remember most strangers faces that I come accross again but my brother for instince cant remember faces of several of our mutual friends we had and spent alot of time with as teens even when I point it out on occasion.
- yawnstretch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a genius with faces but names are a nightmare. I can recognise mid-twenty year olds from when they were 7 (without seeing them all the years) as well as low-key actors with entire rubber masks on across the spectrum.
I NEVER forget a face and it freaks some people out when they have no idea who I am. I'll often remember things about them (their personality, where I know them from - things I deem important). But NAMES
I've had some very embarrassing situations with names. I always have to repeat girlfriend's names to myself over and over for weeks before Im safe and my worse case scenario was introducing some friends to my parents at my graduation and forgetting a guys name after 6 years in the same class (no one prompted me either which was terrible).
I even forgot the name of the company I just started working with when someone asked me :( But faces? I can easily recognise people in spite of serious alterations and decades of aging. - wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't recognize cars. I can't recall the number of times people have said they saw me in the street (in cars), waved, and I never "saw" them. Of course I saw them, I just don't recognize them. Sure if I happwen to catch their face, but I know a lot of people who instantly say "there's Joe's car!" Not me.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was wondering who the hell was that guy i see all the time in mirrors.
- mbrindam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Stallone is harder. Arnold at least has an excuse. He's austrian & republican. Stallone is just brain damaged.
- heeerrresjonny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this is a great find, I'd like to see more digg stories like this one, variety is nice :-)
- Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I never forget a face. But I will often meet somebody, be introduced to them, meet them again, and remember everything about them except their name. "Oh, hi, how are... you." "Fine, Swift2." (Damn, she remembers my name. Now I have to come up with hers. Cynthia? Cindy? Uh--) "Well, nice seeing you again." "Sure, uh--" She leaves. "Celia!"
- rvalles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here, while it's not so harsh. I don't recognise someone unless I've spent a lot of time with him. Like when I meet people at university, which happens often, it takes me meeting them many times until I actually recognise them; this may mean many weeks, independly of the contact I might have with those persons through electronic mail or IM, because I kind of go to university, do whatever I must do there and then come back home alone.
This is why when I meet somebody interesting, I make sure to exchange email addresses. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I don't think women can recognise cars :P
"Umm it was a blue car" - mbrindam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, I just confirmed that on IMDB. I had no idea, and I withdraw my nasty comment with due respect to Sly. Still not much of a fan of his flicks, but not an anti-fan either... he's done well for himself.
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I used to not look at people in a conversation, in retrospect I think because I don't get much information from a face. But people are offended by that. Now I make a point of looking people in the eye, though it tends to be a distraction for me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1devindotcom
"For those of you interested in the condition, the most famous description of it is in Oliver Sacks' "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat.""
Is it in PDF format, and do you have a torrent link?
:-) - Agent_M, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2To those people who have this problem, how is your recognition of objects? Would you recognize a multicoloured shirt if it were tightly crumpled on the floor?
- RamonaLittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is a great "book", available free online, about faceblindness here: http://www.choisser.com/faceblind/
I've known since my early teens that I'm faceblind, but I had never mentioned it to anyone because at that time it was believed that it could only be caused by a severe head injury, which I'd never had, so I figured no one would believe me.
A couple years ago I mentioned it to my mother and sister, and they said they're faceblind too, but likewise had never mentioned it to anyone.
Faceblindness is generally associated with autism, which I think has a lot to do with autistic people not wanting to be around other people. (I consider myself mildly autistic also, though never formally diagnosed.) It's just too uncomfortable being around people when faces are meaningless. - techmonkey4u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm I thought I was the only one to have those kinds of problems.
The worst time was when I was meeting my girlfriend at the library and when she saw me, she stood up, but I walked right past her.
I think my "problem" is mild with people changing hair providing the greatest difficulty. I wouldn't call it a condition; half the population is going to be below average in recognizing faces with a certain percentage really horrible and about the same number really skilled. It seems like just another natural thing that people want to name like "Restless Leg Syndrome" - ethicalhacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dup. Search Facial Recognition - although not aptly titled.
- TheMachine1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When I was younger I had constant dreams/nightmare were I could
not recognize the face of family and friends. I think I depended on voices
more. I could easily tell identical twins apart by voice differences. Now
faces and sounds have been replaced by email text. - Devilbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm mildly to moderately prosopagnosic. I don't have a problem recognizing objects in unfamiliar presentations - e.g. a crumpled shirt - but then again, I don't have any difficulty seeing the face in one of those "Virgin Mary on a muffin" photos. I recognize that it *is* a face. Just don't ask me whose it is.
As others have pointed out, we tend to rely on other cues for recognition - hair color (and style), height, and most especially voice (probably my saving grace is that I have very good pitch and tempo discrimination). When dealing with casual acquaintances I frequently recognize them after ten or fifteen words of conversation, when their voice kicks the memory circuits.
An interesting side effect is that I often think people look similar when (according to everyone else) they don't. I think the only way to describe this for someone who has normal facial recognition is to tell them to look at an unfamiliar alphabet written by hand and try to distinguish which letter is which. It can be done, but it's not trivially easy.
If I had to guess, I would say that mine is the fault of severe nearsightedness - it wasn't diagnosed until kindergarten, by which point I already needed glasses. I think I just walked around not knowing who people were until then... and missed out on the development of the facial recognition circuits in my brain. It would explain my recognition-by-voice. - rvalles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, some are offended by that. Those same people aren't worth talking with; If you need to use those people, you probably can read a few books and learn some useful skills on that matter; it's all better when it's conscious.
By the way If there's something I cannot stand is empathic vampires. There are people out there that are too damn invading with their feelings; they'll try to mirror your current mood (to great failure, because they cannot possibly understand you do almost everything consciously, not guided by feelings), and also expect you to do the same, and become offended when you say logical stuff after analisis on the problems they came to you for, not showing sadness when they're sad, happyness when they're happy, etc.
Those are the same people that will despair if they're at a train without anybody to talk with, or rather, they'll just take the cellphone out and call, call _anybody_. Sociopaths. -
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