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- Dradis, on 10/12/2007, -8/+158Yep. God just released a patch for the Lion.. they're up to 2.1 now.
- RichPowers, on 11/14/2007, -4/+113If Survivor is any indication, people devolve when they're placed on a remote island.
- JordanRL, on 10/12/2007, -9/+85It'd be a lot more interesting if journalists understood the difference between adaption and evolution. One is a habit change using things already at your command to cope with changing situations. The one is a genome change which provides you with the tools to offer a reproductive advantage.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+69Thanks for this one, great article.
- Jackinbox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46
Next step: send human on the Island to see if we get Super Human. - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40Yeah, it seems more Conditioning as someone would do in a gym to get stronger and take classes to get smarter than an effect of evolution.
Who's to say all lions aren't capable of training to hunt the buffalo? - hifiDesign, on 10/12/2007, -21/+56That's not evolution... it's intelligent redesign!
[/sarcasm] - jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39When it happens in a generation, it's called adaptation, not evolution. God 0: Science 0.
- Wildthing, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39I'm still waiting for some frickin' laser beams outta their heads...
- splammo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Fine. Don't believe in super lions. More for us.
- AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28"Yep. God just released a patch for the Lion.. they're up to 2.1 now."
I wonder if He got around to fixing that "eating Christians" bug yet. That's what He gets for outsourcing to Xenu, I guess. - TheBarbarian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Here are this missing links:
The National Geographic page for the show is at http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/relentless/
And the torrent is at http://www.mininova.org/tor/212713 - CanceledCzech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Screw the article, the title is enough for me. Ahh.. Super Lions.
Anyway, where the hell can I go to watch this? After reading it, I'm all excited. - MNiT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21"...this is the new breed of super-lion."
Yeah. I remember those old super-lions, you know, the original breeds of them. They were crap compared to these, except for the laser vision - that was the business. - jblade, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30The Scoreboard
Evolution | Creation Theory
1274121 | 0 - ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25This IS one way evolution starts... distinct groups with different survival strategies cope with change in different ways, and now one group will survive. Had the researchers arrived later, they wouldn't have seen the failure of the other two groups, much the same way we don't see the failed groups in our own areas.
Over time, were geographical and climactic conditions the same, I would guess that the buffalo with larger horns would survive and breed more, perhaps straightening out as the pack is not fighing other species. Also, I imagine the lions would develop quicker in comparison to other species (over thousands of years) along with other changes. Protein changes in diets have profound effects on species.
But, uh... I'm not an evolutionary biologist, just my take on why this is interesting in regard to evolution as well as adaptation. - slundal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Adapt or die? I've hear that one before. Didn't the comment end with something in the line of "resistance is futile" or something.
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15"When it happens in a generation, it's called adaptation, not evolution. God 0: Science 0."
That was my thought too. The fact that the article is calling this a new subspecies calls some of the science into question.
Regardless, this story is absolutely fascinating. - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Not only is that getting really old, it also only applies for articles that do not have any pictures.
- bca102, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I'm pretty sure that's why evolve is in single quotations in the title
- markc09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Evolution is the change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations.
Dumb point x2 - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15So if i put a rat in a box with some food it has never seen before, and he eats it, did the rat evolve?
- prajo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12or dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you
- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21I, for one, welcome our new super-lion overlords.
- tardmongerster, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16This is not evolution.
Lions can already swim.
http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/swimming-lion.html
And lions already hunt buffalo.
http://www.lionresearch.org/behavior_guide/hunting.html - shuffle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@jimmygoon
"If you leave your rat on an island and don't come back for several thousand, million years and it has longer, stronger legs and is more intelligent... than yes... it is."
If your rat is living after several thousand million years...you have more than evolution going on! - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Evolution is not just speciation. If conditions persist and there is no gene flow between these and other lions, they will diverge into a separate species.
- madcreator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"A subspecies is emerging which the experts have named the Duba swamp lion — as opposed to the jungle lion, the desert lion, or the lion of the mainland African plain. It is distinctive in appearance, with a bigger, thicker neck and an extra-strong chest. The lionesses are almost the same size as the male lions on the Botswana mainland."
- markc09, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11In the voice of a hungry Homer Simpson
...Mmmmm, super lions..... - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"i can climb tress like a monkey (despite being 280lbs) ... I feel good about my chances.."
What about poor Tress's chances?! - Lewie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6...and the voice of Scar - which is much more suitable than any of those examples!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@ThunderIT:
1.) Read `On the Origin of Species.'
2.) Realize how stupid that comment was.
3.) Weep. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Its bad choices of words like this that confuse and perpatrate a general mis-understanding of evolution. It's amazes me that people still belive that evolution is a theory. But there has been documented cases of "micro-evolution".
Its just semantics. - RobotKing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This happened in the 80's it was called Voltron.
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8A group of humans were marooned on a small planet one hundred thousand years ago when the course of the spaceship changed. Instead of perishing, they’ve learned to play WoW and become strong (as well as fat and smart) enough to hunt the only prey available: the giant female. Thus, the planet has become a unique, ecological experiment.
- scinju, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7But RichPowers, can you dodge a speeding taxi, learn how to jaywalk (even when you have right of way), avoid muggers, and buy hot dogs from a reputable street vendor?
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"A species doesn't "evolve" in 15 years"
Bacterial species can evolve in /months/. In reality, it depends on the life-span of the animal, the birth rates of the animal, and the threshold of what you call "same species" (one or two genetic mutations) and "different species" (possibly tens or hundreds or even thousands of mutations). - alabare, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Thought lions tackled water buffalo's all the time....hmmm. Interesting read though.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> We should perhaps not be surprised to witness the lion adapt to its environment.
That's from the article so it seems they do understand 'adaption.' - libertao, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12A species doesn't "evolve" in 15 years. Cool story, but there's enough misunderstanding of the term as it is.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Been to the Okavango River Delta. Honestly, we worried about hippos and elephants, water buffalo or lion.
The pilots of the makoros were leery of elephants, but absolutely refused to get anywhere near hippos.
That was a great trip. Probably never have one like that again.
We had to drive elephants off the road on the path to the airstrip when we were leaving. If we weren't there on time, I'm not sure the (very small) plane would even have landed.
In some places, the reeds had bled so much tannin into the water that it was orange. It was really orange looking at it in place, if you cupped some of it in your hands, it was only a little bit yellow-orange. - Shayer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That lioness pretending to be a babysitter is such a bitch. Ruined a completely good story.
Now I'm angry...damn traitor... - resplence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"evolution is when a new species is created"
Oh my god, evolutionists and creationists are mating. - weareglass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Some aspects of this are adapatation, but surely, if you RTFA, you'd note they discussed the lions' abnormal size (stating that Duba lionesses are the same size as male lions from the mainland). 15 years might be a generation for humans but it's a couple for lions at least. This suggests the lions are evolving into a larger subspecies whose hunting methods have, yes, adapted to the situation. So it's a combination of both.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You seem to be hung with with semantics. Evolution, which by the way is fact as we all know, consists of small adaptations over time which, with the help of natural selection, result in evolution of animals within a species or into a new species.
Oh and rolling dice is random, but always picking the higher number on two rolled dice is not random. - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4nope, just more well-fed super lions.
- dustedbunny, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8This is extremely interesting. I never knew anything about these lions and I'm glad you posted this. It's amazing that these lions evolved to survive like they did and I'd definitley be interested in seeing the mentioned documentary about them.
I'd be even more happy if the Discovery Channel or Animal Planet did something about them. - Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@culbeda:
It's not a question of science, just the use of the English language. If you look "evolution" up in a thesaurus, you'll find "adaptation" listed as a homonym. - DiamondIce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Adaptation is an integral part of evolution.
- cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Exactly! I had to search this page to see if someone else mentioned that. Purrrrfect choice! Crap, I can't believe I said that. Sorry.
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