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- 52tease, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32Not only is it common practice to mention the nationality of scientists, you are reading the excerpt from an Israeli paper. This is also common practice for any newspaper. Whenever possible, localize the story. It is always essential to pay attention to your source when analyzing and criticizing information.
- Btw0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18What I learn from this is that you can make money by inventing new algorithms.
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -14/+28Who gave Israel any credit? Stating a researcher's nationality is common practice in such reports as this one.
- T0PS3O, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10There's loads that can be improved. Do you never get any spam entries when you search?
One thing is cross language contextual analysis. I don't think Google does that just yet. Like if a Dutch page on voetbal would link to an English page on football, that G would interpret it correctly across this language barrier.
Anyway, nice way to kick-start your career... Get bought out by Google, skip their longwinded recruitment process. - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Contextual search results by base language - cool.
Something tells me this played a big role in the patent acquisition.
"For example, if you search information on the War of Independence, you'll receive a list of related words, like Etzel, Palmach, Ben-Gurion," he explained." - triclops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Some of Ori Allon's work is mentioned in this september press release:
http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2005/sep/Orion.html - dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Looks like you've got it covered.
Google's "main" objective: make search the best they can.
Why would they pass up an opportunity to improve their earch engine? It's the students perrogative what he would like to do with the code anyway. If he want's to sell it, let him, to whoever he chooses.. If you think the student should play by YOUR rules, go tell him that.
No one ever said that the search algorithms Google uses had to be developed within Google Corp. For this company to improve their search, they can't pass up opportunities like this because people like you whine about "aggressive aquisitions". - Netweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The first Digg submission before Orion was acquired.
http://digg.com/technology/New_Search_Engine_Revolutionary_ - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Be interesting to see where this goes. Might not seem like a big deal now, but who would have thought 8 years ago that some paper from Stamford would lead to a multi-billion dollar web empire?
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I see.. because that's fun and comments like that will actually reduce hypocricy on Digg.
Did you know that Digg isn't a singular entity? There are lots of people with a lot of views. Just because they conflict, doesn't mean that "Digg" is hypocritical. And it doesn't even mean the users are, either. So when you read two different comments, remember to seperate the identities of those people expressing the comments before claiming hypocricy. - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The crazy part about this is that it could come to understand the relevance between certain topics based on what people are searching for and clicking on. If I search for "books" a lot and go to Amazon.com, they must have something to do with books... but look, they sell DVD's and CD's too... and so does Futureshop.ca... it's like a contextual nightmare!
- dlvolk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5If they didnt buy it, someone else would have. Its not like the kid was going to start his own company...
"Yahoo and Microsoft were also negotiating." - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Also A9.com already does this.... there results are base according to current relevence on Google, Amazon advanced search engine and Alexa popular rankings
check this out middle east civil wars
http://a9.com/middle%20east%20civil%20wars - drawkbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeh I mean maybe its nothing new, but if its an order faster, or the data needed to get this is smaller, that is huge savings for a search engine.
- dizm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Already been done:
http://www.ask.com/web?q=American+revolution&qsrc=1&o=312
Google is just a stealer! They're the new Microsoft! - artgon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if only information on the Internet traveled at the speed of light..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I think what you meant to say without actually saying it is that Israeal is not a country worth mentioning. Afterall Israel is just America III. Canada is America II.
- oyam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What would worry me more than determining the context like few above mentioned is that "Orion also rates the texts by quality of the site in which they appear." Are we going back to the days of Google bombing? This still wasn't solved very well and it seems to me that changing more algorithms to the "quality of site" is a hole in the whole scheme. And who and what determines quality of a site? It's something else to each individual.
Interesting technology though, so a digg. - Tanpreet, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9by saying Isreal, they are just saying his native country. Its like saying Wayne Gretzky, a Canadian hockey player, has won the Stanley Cup. It doesnt mean Canada is the reason they won.
- rhizome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not the same because you're searching for "American Revolution." Try searching for "revolution" and "revolucion" and see which engine returns results for the American and Mexican revolutions, respectively.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10"For example, if I said Mexican Student, what comes to mind?"
"Why is Israel getting all the credit for this one? He may be Israeli, but he's a student in Australia."
Who the ***** cares? If you don't like it, skip that word! - Pizpump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What I learn from this is that you can make money by inventing new algorithms."
You can also earn a PHD doing so. - dwbell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4...amazing what having Google in the title will do isn't it?
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Google is just a stealer! They're the new Microsoft!"
They /stole/ it by buying the patent for a Contextual-based Search patent from someone? Wow, I'm glad everyone's definition of "steal" is so enthusiastically broad. First Apple "stole" XEROX PARC's Graphical User Interface by being invited in to XEROX by the PARC engineers in exchange for XEROX getting to invest a million dollars in the company. Then people started "stealing" music from the record companies by digitally copying CDs and using peer-to-peer systems to transmit the bits. Now Google is "stealing" by buying a freaking patent.
I've had enough of it. I'm going to steal my brains out!
Oh and um, by the way, Google was never the first at Internet searching, either (and Apple wasn't the "first" GUI, nor manufactured the "first" MP3 Player); as history teaches us, it's never the first that matters, it's who does it best. Google, the Macintosh, and the iPod are all cultural icons of just how things can be done right.
Cudos to A9 for being "first". Can't wait to see Google do it better. - sokz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4People seem to forget that Google is a company looking to make money, too.. they can't be saints all of the time.
- unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1find similar sites on the web anyone..........
http://similicio.us/index.html - logic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@dlvolk:
Why shouldn't he? - abudhabi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2For how much? details details..
- T0PS3O, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Bryan, did you actually read the article or are you one of those who reads the title, Diggs it based on assumptions, posts some erroneous comments and moves on to the next story?
Quote from article, highlighted for your lazy ass convenience:
though Google confirmed that "********Ori Alon works at Google's Mountain View, California offices*********." - dojobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He hasn't lived in Israel for 11 years and is now an Australian citizen. Are you trying to say that Australia is 3rd world?
- Jarda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This is a lie! Everyone knows only Microsoft and Yahoo buy things. Google does all by themselves!
You guys are liers, bad and mean people. Thanks a lot for making my world fall apart... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Are you implying that buying a new technology means they aren't saints?
- cantoral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I asked Google is 293339 prime? and I got the answer in .09 s. Very good job. Now, with the new algorithm I will be able to ask more complicated questions, and get good answers fast.
By the way the speed of light is:
2x7x73x293339 m/s exactly. That is 299792458 m/s. - dwalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh, of course! Fear, so they buy or steal whatever is perceived as a possible threat to their sad over financed existence....
- JoeWall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i read a study showing that in israel there are a lot of white-collar people (highest ratio of engineers, doctors...) and they frown upon manual work.
- DigitAl56K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Information does travel (almost) at the speed of light on the Internet. It is just the ability of nodes to route packets that fast and the baud rate of the network end points that slow down the overall process.
- naisanza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google owns
- cantoral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let me correct a typo. The speed of light is:
293339x73x7x2 m/s = 299792458 m/s - trash115, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the average israel citizen is very poor yes,
there are many wealthy people in the country, like in nigeria, but as a whole, it is still fairly poverty-striken. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ CaughtThinking
"Then maybe, *finally* the Internet will give proper weight to those who actually make the content"
Does 'proper weight' mean total control then i vote 'NEY' on that one, if you mean just monetized compensation then i vote 'YEY' - Personatech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am nostalgic for the days when a doctoral student would simply publish his or her contributions in an academic journal, thereby advancing the collective knowledge of humankind. Where is the outrage about the University of South Wales patenting this algorithm ??! Yes, I know it is common practice today but how is this any different from some corporation doing the same? Were it Microsoft rather than USW holding the patent, Diggers would be going *****.
- tanveer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Andrew Stead of New South Innovations, the technology transfer company within UNSW, says he is confident that Orion© will fill a gap in the market noted by Microsoft founder Bill Gates.
"Bill Gates was recently quoted in Forbes magazine as saying that we need to take the search way beyond how people think of it today. We believe that Orion© will do that." - SAGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@trash115
GDP per Capita (measure of average citizen's wealth)
Nigeria - US$1,102
Israel - US$22 ,077
20 times HIGHER!
No wonder you're called trash! - dizm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Give me a break, it is exactly the same. Read the article:
"Take a search such as the American Revolution as an example of how the system works. Orion© would bring up results with extracts containing this phrase. But it would also give results for American History, George Washington, American Revolutionary War, Declaration of Independence, Boston Tea Party and more. You obtain much more valuable information from every search."
There's nothing in there about just searching for "revolution" or "revolucion". In my opinion those are completely different searches. - moyzes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Arrogant. A comment that worth a Homer Simpson brain. Typical American.
- MrGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Any help google can get is a good thing, they still can't work out that nurb and nurbs are the same thing!
- kobs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Does it matter whether it's some 17 year old kid, a 21 year old undergraduate, or a something-year-old doctoral student (which the person in the article is.)?
- zmax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am not so sure that "smaller, focused search engines" will flourish. As the Internet gets bigger, the task of cataloging it and keeping current on it gets exponentially harder. This puts small search firms at a disadvantage.
- FunkyGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1wow shows how much you know, Israel is not poor, hell just read the story, he didn't grow the biggest vegetable he developed a new search algorithm
- CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1One step towards the death of big money search engines. Once the general public learns that search is a standardized set of implementation goals, that everyone implements, then the value of a mysterious lock-box algorithm house like Google becomes diminished. Credibility of smaller, focused search engines will increase, and overall, the public will search wherever they find results.
Thus, search will become the online Yellow pages. Then maybe, *finally* the internet will give proper weight to those who actually make the content. -
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