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- doublefelix, on 01/07/2009, -2/+27The only time in my 41 years where I had to have my fingerprints recorded was at California's DMV, where I think they just took my thumb print. I hope to keep it this way incase I ever have to commit any glove-less crimes.
- MiDNiGHTS, on 01/09/2009, -0/+22Who needs funding for books when you got programs like these?
- russ3, on 01/09/2009, -0/+22This is *****, back in my day we had to provide 3 forms of identification, mail addressed to me, a hair sample, and they would call my mom before I could buy lunch.
more serious note: why are we giving 8 year olds so many lunch options that their parents have to monitor it online? I had a calendar of the 1 meal option that our school offered each day. - SHUUTOBI, on 01/09/2009, -1/+18Well that sure is sanitary.
- Barackalypse, on 01/09/2009, -1/+17This isn't about cash, this is about conditioning kids to accept scanning personally identifying information for activities that have absolutely no need for it. It fits in really well with a Police State, you can't ever hide from the State if you've got to scan your fingerprint to buy anything.
- DivisibleByZero, on 01/09/2009, -1/+16As a police detective, I have now made a mental note that if anybdy ever commits a crime while wearing gloves that only cover his thumbs, I'll assume it was you.
- Barackalypse, on 01/09/2009, -2/+17Meanwhile this information has been "shared" with the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI who now have these kids fingerprints on file for life. Using advanced profiling methods, when little Suzy and her family next board a commercial flight, Suzy will find herself on the no fly list because she hasn't eaten any pork products at her school, which means she's either vegan or Muslim (or Jewish, but they've got a database to cross-reference that against too).
- anxdiety, on 01/09/2009, -0/+12What ever happened to packing the kids a lunch?
- Nidy1, on 01/09/2009, -0/+11But what if they lose their finger!?
- str1fe, on 01/09/2009, -1/+11Sure, we're okay with fingerprints for school lunches. Then the kids get used to having their finger prints scanned and it becomes just a usual thing, no big deal. Next they'll have to scan fingerprints for driver licenses, or for some social security purpose. When they're asked to scan their fingerprint to board a flight 30 years down the line, they do it without thinking.
This may seem like no big deal now, but it's a stepping stone. - Memnochxx, on 01/09/2009, -0/+10Just as sanitary as touching a doornob.
- Barackalypse, on 01/09/2009, -0/+8No they aren't, grades hurt kids self-esteem, the only thing they keep track of is performance on standardized tests and graduation rates, because those are the only two metrics they ever take any flak over.
- Nerys, on 01/09/2009, -1/+8a very very big and critically important stepping stone.
PLEASE resist this people. a fingerprint is very tantamount to your BLOOD or your DNA. ITS YOUR IDENTITY even more than your photograph is and its so easy to manipulate and "set" people up with.
This is the United States of American people.
Mandating fingerprints is tantamount to an invasive SEARCH.
How long before its MANDATORY for schools to hand over there "print" databases to police?
How long before there is a crime of ANY sort and the police demand the entire database to compare it to a collected print and now STORE that collection in there own nationally accessible database.
Think that's far fetched? Its reality!
We get EZ Pass and now the police can call on that information to confirm your wear abouts. Where you aware of that when you signed up?
We get Cell phones and now 911 tracking is mandatory and YOU CAN NOT TURN IT OFF without turning your phone off and some phones do not turn off unless you remove the battery.
It was originally a good thing. there are people who have DROWNED in rivers while on the phone with 911 but they could not find them.
but now the police can "access" this info pretty much anytime they want and you are NOT PERMITTED to turn it off and its ILLEGAL for a provider to "activate" a phone without the "feature"
We allow drug sniffing dogs without a warrant or probable cause? what happens.
any idea how many times police "claim" to smell "pot" or train the dog to "bark" on command which they can then use to COMPEL a search.
How many times they find NOTHING AT ALL on people who NEVER used drugs.
They can and will abuse ANYTHING they can get to circumvent your rights!
Not all of them off course but the constitution was not created to protect you from the good people.
Seat belt laws have ONE PURPOSE. to circumvent probable cause. Period.
You see we spoke out AGAINST seat belt laws for this precise reason. They said don't worry don't worry its a secondary offense we have to pull you over for something else first.
That appeased some people not me.
Take a guess what seat belt laws are today? THATS RIGHT. Primary Offenses you can be pulled over JUST for that. This is unconstitutional. Its impossible to PROVE both that you in fact had your seat belt on and secondly that he is LYING about not seeing it.
IE you have no 4th amendment right in a car because they simply need to declare I did not see there seat belt on. How convenient.
I WILL NOT VOLUNTARILY SURRENDER MY FINGERPRINTS.
And we should NOT be teaching our children that this is "ok" either. - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -2/+9You know what is even more scary? The school is keeping track of the student's grades!
- str1fe, on 01/09/2009, -1/+8Besides the obvious increased risk of germ-spreading via fingerprint scanner, wouldn't it be much easier to have some kind of lunch card system? Or do schools already do that now?
- izolutionz, on 01/09/2009, -0/+6Oh, boy... another way for the chubby kid to hold the line: dirty hands.
- Memnochxx, on 01/09/2009, -1/+6Lawl at keyboard with laptop.
- Duffle, on 01/09/2009, -1/+6Why don't they just teach the damn kids how to use cash? Some school..
- Xerone, on 01/09/2009, -0/+5Actually my sister's high school (same one I graduated from) just introduced this. Today everyone got their fingers scanned and in the database.
Anyway, if you want to opt out of the finger print scanning, you have to get a written note from your parents and then the lunch lady has to type in your first, last name and your Student ID number every time you wish to purchase something - opticwind, on 01/09/2009, -0/+5Hm, seems like a smart concept. People always tend to get jumpy around these sorts of things but there will always be the option to abstain your child from using this system. He can always just pay with cash.
- lovemorgul, on 01/07/2009, -0/+5The district picked the finger scan system to solve the issue of students losing their lunch card:)
- Nerys, on 01/09/2009, -0/+4s
BLASPHEMER !! TRAITOR !! how dare you mention that FILTHY DOCUMENT HERE !!!
/s - Murdats, on 01/09/2009, -0/+4boo hoo.
you worry about if a fingerprint reader is sanitary, I will enjoy my lunch and well built immune system. - gotcheaprice, on 01/09/2009, -0/+4Our school uses an ID card system where it has a bar code and you just scan it and you get billed at the end of the month.
Too bad I lost mine... - MidnightFox, on 01/09/2009, -1/+5dug for using lil suzy
- Jeepy, on 01/09/2009, -0/+4@Crucible
It's called due process so treating people as criminals before they do anything by filing their fingerprints for government use is not only unethical but unconstitutional. You should check out the fourth, fifth and sixth amendment on this thing called the Bill of Rights. - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3Also add a weight scale underneath so we can weigh them too.
- lestyoubejudged, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3My kids already do this at their school. We call it "putting money on their finger" when we load their account.
- Nerys, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3Your finger print is reduced to a numerical value.
so any finger print that reduces to that same numerical value is LINKED to you. it is absolutely positively NO different than actually storing the finger print itself.
in fact THIS IS PRECISELY how they compare finger prints. they reduce them to a numerical value. Storing the actual print once you have that numerical value is superfluous. - Kinneas, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3SAD!
Something about it strikes me as terribly 'Nazi concentration camp'.
Prepare em' early. - Twee, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3The fingerprint readers found in laptops are probably of much cheaper quality than the ones they would be using at the school. I never have any problems with the fingerprint scanners at universal studios.
- skztr, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3Just before we eat, let's all touch the same thing with a mixture of washed and unwashed hands and see what happens!
- Nerys, on 01/09/2009, -0/+3Wow. you don't consider databasing everyone's fingerprints with the POLICE to not be a big brother power.
Man what planet were you born on.
Do you know how often police will target and go "AFTER" someone "just" because they got a "hit" on the fingerprint.
your "casual" fingerprint suddenly makes you the prime suspect for no other reason than yours is the only one that "hit" in the database.
So I guess you have no problem giving up your blood or DNA or retinal scan.
Oh and random "spot" checks for your identity any time anywhere they please. Thats all ok too right?
Its people like YOU that are the reason our constitution gets eroded and our rights trampled on with so little resistance.
Without personal rights and security LIBERTY and FREEDOM are by definition physically IMPOSSIBLE. - justrasputin, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Holy ***** Nerys, where's your tin foil hat?
- DivisibleByZero, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2I'm fine with fingerprints for something non-sensitive like school lunches. Just don't try using them for things that require actual security.
- Jeepy, on 01/09/2009, -2/+4FTA: The computer read the print and saved several key measurements. The measurements — not the actual fingerprint — are saved in the system.
Much to the disappointment of the submitter and the other tinfoil enthusiasts above me the NSA will not be keeping track of 3rd graders.
I'm troubled by the fact that vague threats to our civil liberties through school lunch programs and cloudy theories about the Fed reserve are championed by diggers left and right but actually direct attacks like Bush suspending habeas corpus and using social security reserves to fund an illegitimate war are just ***** that we can't do anything about. - GarrettGrimsley, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Good to know you are letting them be conditioned into providing personal information at such a young age.
- inactive, on 01/09/2009, -1/+3What about Cash only.
- WoollyMittens, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Swiping a chip-card would not require the use of hand sanitizer.
- darthjure, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2My kids school has them punch a 4-digit number into a keypad at the register. Try getting a kindergartener to memorize a 4-digit number along with their phone number, school bus number, classroom number, etc. Plus, if your kid gives out the number then other kids can easily use it.
- Nerys, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Over my dead body. Finger Prints are used for determining guilt IE Criminals give fingerprints
I was in civil air patrol for over a decade. I made it to First Lt. Did my Mitchel Hawk Mountain etc.. etc..
I love it. After I did some college I decided it would be fun to go back and volunteer to help out.
I found out I could not. I would have to goto the local police station and submit myself to them. All my info and most crucially "finger prints" as if I were some suspected criminal.
Sadly I had to decline. I will not be treated like a criminal nor will I voluntarily place such sensitive information into the hands of an untrustworthy government.
Find some other way. Your not getting my kids fingerprints or mine. - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Because money is just too hard!
- WoollyMittens, on 01/09/2009, -0/+2Cut or burned your finger? No soup for you!
Want free lunch? Steal a finger! (ouch) - GarrettGrimsley, on 01/09/2009, -0/+1A lunch card system would be cheaper than this fingerprint scanner system. Either a mag stripe reader or a bar code reader could be used and 1-D bar code scanner are quite cheap.
- silentboom, on 01/09/2009, -0/+1To be taxed in order to provide some with lunch cards is just another welfare system. It is a form of socialism. The programs should be voluntary and taxers reduced. These programs cost double what they would if they were to be funded by private organizations, that goes for all forms of socialism. Health care costs have skyrocketed because of government interventions and subsidies, as has every other industry they touched. When you subsidize something you get more of it, an idea that many people have forgotten.
- zacwhite, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1Hey kid, thumb a hundred bucks will ya? Help save the clock tower.
- opticwind, on 01/09/2009, -0/+1God, that's such a hassle...I mean they give you an option but in highschool, holding up a line is suicide.
- Frostek, on 01/09/2009, -0/+1Of course if this had happened in the UK, we'd be hearing comments about how Orwellian it is here (supposedly).
Not so much of that when the shoe's on the other foot though, hmmm? - XeRoX2k2, on 01/11/2009, -0/+1i assume when you go to a fast food restaurant you wash your hands between handing the cashier your dirty money and sitting down and eating your meal with your hands?
I didn't think so - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -1/+2big brother. My kids will be home schooled or at worst go to a private school. that's assuming by the time I have kids I'll still be in America.
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