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- mandeepm, on 11/14/2007, -6/+114A little rabbit is happily running through the forest when he
stumbles upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at
her and says, "Giraffe my friend, why do you do this? Come with
me running through the forest, you'll see, you'll feel so much
better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the joint, tosses
it and goes off running with the rabbit.
Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit
again says, "Elephant my friend, why do you do this?
Think about your health. Come running with us through the
pretty forest, you'll see, you'll feel so good!"
The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all,
and then tosses them and starts running with the rabbit
and giraffe.
The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up...
"Lion my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health!
Come running with us through the sunny forest, you will feel so
good!" The lion looks at him, puts down his needle, and starts
to beat the ***** out of the little rabbit.
As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him
and ask, "Lion, why did you do this? He was merely
trying to help us all!"
The lion answers, "That little ***** makes me run around
the forest like an idiot for hours every time he's on ecstasy!" - stiv0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29sure, aryoo's interviewed rick doblin. but has he ever interviewed rick doblin ... on WEED?
- denisio50, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Great joke!
To you, Acha with all yer stats, you have no clue, what would it take to get one I wonder. Recent comprehensive looks at ALL drugs puts MDMA in the relatively safe grouping.
You wanna proselytize yer *****, do it about alcohol and nicotine. Have some real integrity!
And for everybody else, here's an interesting bit of info. I love psychedelic drugs, did em since Tiny Dr. Tim and his crew wrote the prescription pad for how to in their version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
http://www.amazon.com/psychedelic-experience-manual-based-Tibetan/dp/B0007F853C/ref=sr_1_2/103-0556739-8582235?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175271617&sr=1-2
Also, check out other books folks bought.
Now, many years later (c. 1983) I was being schooled by a Sufi teacher, and she gave me a personal practice to do. It was a Sufi version of a mantra, or wazifa, called Ishk Allah Mahboud Lillah, which literally means God is Love, Lover and Beloved, which I was to chant over and over. Don't try this at home, there are many other details involved. Well, after a couple of days, I found myself falling in love with almost everyone, and disturbingly, with folks I was not exactly pleased about, like dirty ugly smelly mean homeless folks. In some ways it quite repulsed me. But, long story longer, I learned how to open my heart to folks with safety.
Fast forward a couple of years to the pop-X era, I meet a girl who's an admitted Love and Sex Addict. She shares with me that being around me is like being on Ecstasy, on which she likes to have sex with guys. She had to stop. I explain my wazifa experience, which is sounding to me like a spiritual practice equivalent of the drug, and she gets this idea that it would be cool to do the drug one last time with me, which she thinks would be the best ever. Flattered and ever the psychonaut with one more data-point to collect, I eagerly participate. I figure I can potentiate the MDMA with a little Ishk Allah chanting and of course it's the best she's ever had. I gotta admit, that it was an absolutely incredible 24 hour encounter outside up in the mountains on top of it all.
I'll never forget Linda. - AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17The most crucial digg of the day
- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Um....did you not notice you have an account here?
- FearMEiDEA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Don't forget to mention the possible side effects of Ecstacy.
Hugging, Kissing, The wearing of fuzzy pants, chewing the hell out of a pacifier, fat chicks, rubbing yourself, funny dancing, development of appreciation for techno music, time lapse, putting vicks on your balls (careful with this one, don't use tiger balm - trust me). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14the number of ecstasy doses taken worldwide has to be in the hundreds and hundreds of millions by now, and the number of deaths directly attributable to it are around what, twelve? The number is so low as to be at the level of statistical noise. Way more people die of Tylenol overdoses, but the logic that says that's an acceptable cost somehow just doesn't quite transfer over, total hypocrisy. Hell, more people probably die of Viagra in a month than have ever died of E, but you can get your goddamned insurance to hook you up with it.
that piece of ***** W was hoovering bushels of blow in Houston about the time E first came up there, so you know he's rolled his ass off many times. Which definitely goes to show you E doesn't necessarily help everyone evolve.
E is one of the best things that ever happened to me. I rarely do it anymore, but those early breakthroughs were the foundation of my long-overdue emotional growth.
btw errbody go to ishkur.com and get his recipe for preloads. Makes the trip that much stronger and way cuts down on the hangover. And read Why We Rave while you're there, so brilliant. - bigd063, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Yeah, if you like a six hour high and three days of the worst damn hangover you'll ever have, combined with the intense feeling that you will surely die.
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Better than drunks hitting thier wives. Glow sticks wouldn't be so bad if people would actually learn how to do liquid.
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I love it when people post that study because it gives me an excuse to post this.................
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/your-brain-on-bad-science/2402/
ecstacy is hard to abuse.....sure you can take a lot of it but after awhile you don't even feel good anymore you just feel ***** up. - DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16That's like saying that juggling with running chainsaws is safer than swimming because fewer people die while doing it.
- beatmix01, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14@Achalemoipas
"Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%) in 2000" - http://www.stopaddiction.com/narconon_alcohol_deaths.html
"Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths) in 2000" - Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
"During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006)."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm
Makes Ecstasy look safe compared to alcohol. - DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8mmmkay?
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9the most potent and dangerous narcotics are produced legally by huge corporations...their strength or danger factors have nothing to do with legality.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=oxycontin+addiction - killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11neither can one dose of mdma
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well, it all depends on where you get your stuff from. Ecstasy was originally called Empathy back in the late 60s and early 70s. At that time, the drug was used in clinical and therapeutic settings. It was designed to create a sense of interconnectedness and openness between people in group therapy , relationship counseling, and other social therapy settings. Like all prescription strength drugs, it could be abused. After the patented formula was leaked, the dosages available on the street became higher and the purity of the drug was compromised.
This is where E comes from. Fun, yes? - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The best time is always the first time. It never gets any better than that no matter how much you take.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You forgot to mention the great possibility of developing dangerous fat deposits on your liver, from the toxic effect of the safrole contained in nutmeg
- ikarma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@chiller2002 Three of my friends and I were part of Dr John Ricaurte study arranged for us through MAPS. We were not shared much of the results but volunteered our bodies and subjected ourselves to daily spinal taps all in the name of science. We were there in about 98 and shared our history with the nurse, one of my friends had been using just about weekly since 85 with no apparent negative effects (unless it caused his shadiness). It was bad news when we heard it causes definite damage. Then again it was quite dis hearting when he accidentally studied meth instead of MDMA. We still don't know the truth. Dieing from Ecstasy is likely because of adulterants in the pill. I have taken 1000mg and did not overheat just blacked out. As far as today....MDMA has none of the magic it used to have for me even after multi year breaks. This tells me that there are fried receptors in my brain or low levels of serotonin..
If you choose to take mdma there are ways to minimize damage.
1. don't over do it....1 - 2 is enough. FOR A MONTH OR MORE
2. Try preloading with 5htp. It is thought to provide your brain with enough serotonin to minimize damage. It also makes the come down nearly non existent.
3. Try 2cb on the comedown. This is also said the minimize toxicity.
Be safe.....Moderation is the key. - WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@speede
um, yes, MDMA + (your choice of cut: cocaine, heroin, DXM, mescaline, methamphetamine, hell why not corn starch) = Extacy/E/Rolls/Beans/whatever you want to call it. - bigd063, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@EricCiccone
By the time nutmeg starts to have its effects some six hours or more after ingestion, there is nothing to throw up, because the psychoactive compounds have already entered the bloodstream. - SirFoxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ikarma
The Dr.(and I use the word Dr. hesitantly) you mention in your post didn't accidentally study meth instead of Ecstasy. He did it deliberately. He is nothing more than a government shill whose entire research is government funded, so he gives them the answers and conclusions they want so he can continue to keep getting funded. His own people under him are the ones who busted him on his dishonesty. The guy is about as fake as they come. He would have been the one to do "Reefer Madness" if he had been around back then. - Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8How many fatalities were caused by people taking ridiculously unsafe doses? How many of those fatal pills were cut with something really bad? I'm not saying you should be taking ecstasy daily instead of vitamin C, but it's not as bad of a drug as some people would have you believe. How many people die per year because of alcohol? How about smoking related illnesses?
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7One "dose" of E is enough to last somebody for 6 hours. I don't know too many people who go to a party and have one beer. How many smokers have one cigarette in a day?
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*****, things have gotten better since my college days of nitrous, whale noise music, and hippie chicks from Smith.
- spyrochaete, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3It's faster than saying psilocybe semilanceata
- BevansDesign, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Ibogaine...that's a new one to me...
- intilli4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thank you for telling people this waterdragon... I thank the heavens and earth for educated people like yourself who actually speak their minds and keep some of the people in this world from receiving the Darwin Award!
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah liquid....that's what it was orginaly called. Now people just call it glow sticking. Trendy hardly...........I started going to raves long before they were trendy and I've been going long after they were no longer trendy.......are you one of those jaded "I'm to cool for raves , but I go anyway" cammy wearing junglists?
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3haha i still agree with him ;]
- Konketsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Achalemoipas
" Different species differ in sensitivity to MDMA neurotoxicity. In rats, for example, Logan (1988) was unable to detect neurotoxicity when 25 mg/kg MDMA was administered to randomly bred albino rats. In contrast, Dark Agouti rats have a threshold between 4 and 10 mg/kg of injected MDMA for showing 5-HT depletions (O'Shea, 1998). These apparent strain differences may also be influenced by differences in ambient temperature and animal housing (Dafters, 1995; Gordon, 1994).
In comparison to rats, nonhuman primates seem to be more sensitive to MDMA neurotoxicity, suffering more damage at lower doses (Ali, 1993; Fischer, 1995; Insel, 1989; Ricaurte, 1992; Ricaurte, 1992a; but see also De Souza, 1990, for slightly different results). Many MDMA neurotoxicity studies have used squirrel monkeys as subjects. The threshold dose for producing long-term 5-HT depletions in squirrel monkeys is somewhere between 2.5 and 5 mg/kg oral MDMA. Two weeks after a single 5.0 mg/kg oral MDMA dose to this species, 5-HT levels were decreased to 83% of control levels in the hypothalamus and 79% of controls in the thalamus but were not changed in other examined brain regions (Ricaurte, 1988a). In contrast, no long-term serotonergic changes occurred after 2.5 mg/kg MDMA was given orally every two weeks for four months to squirrel monkeys (Ricaurte, unpublished, cited in Vollenweider, 1999). [Editor's note: a therapeutic dose of 125 mg in a 150 pound person would translate to 1.66 mg/kg]" (Baggott/Mendelson, 2001)
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity1.shtml#factors
"AIM: To assess memory impairment in a group of regular users of ecstasy compared with a group of regular users of cannabis, after accounting for possible confounding factors such as other drug use, premorbid intelligence and psychopathology.
METHODS: Comparative and regression analysis was used to determine the presence or absence of a difference in memory function between 40 regular ecstasy users and 37 regular users of cannabis, who were interviewed at the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre in Sydney, Australia. Regression analysis was used to find associations between life-time exposure to ecstasy use and memory performance. Memory function was assessed using an age-standardized memory test. Other scales were used to assess premorbid intelligence, physical and psychological health, drug withdrawal and other drug use.
RESULTS: Initial comparative analysis showed a trend towards a significantly poorer performance by the regular ecstasy-using group on the 'auditory immediate memory' and 'auditory delayed memory' indices. When regression analysis was performed an estimate of verbal intelligence was found to be the most predictive of most memory indices including 'auditory immediate memory' and 'auditory delayed memory'. Life-time exposure to ecstasy was not predictive of the memory indices. The current frequency of cannabis use was found to have some predictive effect for immediate and delayed visual memory.
CONCLUSIONS: This study does not show memory impairment in a group of ecstasy users relative to cannabis using controls. The previously reported association of life-time exposure to ecstasy and memory was not found. The findings may indicate a confounding role of cannabis use, as has been recently reported." (Simon/Mattick 2002)
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=5982&C=MDMA
There are plenty of other research papers available there as well. Please read them. - lulutv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Worst Penthouse Forum letter, ever!
- revjustin2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Let's see the numbers on already FDA approved drugs.
Don't be fooled into thinking that it's "safe" because it's prescribed.
Now....where's that oxycodone I "borrowed"? - LogicBomB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2According to Wikipedia, you need between 5 and 20 grams of nutmeg to induce drug-like effects.
Now, I don't know how many of you are aware but 5 grams of ANY powder is pretty goddam impressive. 20 grams is almost unthinkable to me.
Unless nutmeg is sold as anything other than powder in the US/Canada? - daverave999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are you sure about the Morning Glory seeds toxic level? I've not read that before-only that you should not buy commercial packets (for the purpose of growing) as they contain a mercury-based fungicide.
- Mrstupid7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Morning Glory Seeds contain LSA. LSA has an extraordinarily high toxicty to effective dose ratio. You would have to eat more MG seeds than your stomach could possibly hold before you'd OD on LSA.
- funkywood, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Ok, away from the obsession with X and nutmeg and particular street drugs there's also the issue highlighted by the article of how difficult it is just to get approval for research into brain chemistry generally, especially anything involving dopamine and altered perceptions. I think its total ***** that such a fundamental subject is still taboo after all this time.
What are the ***** afraid of? That we all might become enlightened and realise we don't have to do what they say? - khaosx2030, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, I was joking.
I have tried nutmeg before. But it sucked and made me blunt [not the good kind] for 2 days. - steedtek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Of course DXM is the perfect idea, who doesnt love the idea of your brain hemoraging and producing insane effects caused by your brain drowning in it's own blood.
I was so pissed at the guy who told me this mid trip. - Insolent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Unless you take large doses of nutmeg regularly (doubtful considering the long lasting effects and coma-like sleep induced after consuming recreational amounts), the toxicity of safrole really does not come much into play. It may put stress on your liver and kidneys in larger doses than are required to trip, but not any more than getting *****-faced from vodka. Trying nutmeg a few times will not kill you unless you overdose (which is possible so research the proper dosage first), and will not noticeably shorten your lifespan.
As for benadryl, you can trip on it, but there's no euphoria. Some believe it enhances music if you take enough, but you feel like your body weighs 4x as much so every time you stand up or move or anything it takes tons of effort and it's really not an enjoyable side effect for most people. You can hallucinate but it's not the fun kind like shrooms or acid, it tends to be on the creepy side (the moon turning into a wolf and charging at my friend, mail-boxes in the distance appearing to be strange people just standing there, a tennis ball turning into festering giant insects that look almost alien) and you have trouble distinguishing your hallucination from reality. Of all the erowid reports, which include many dozens, I believe only one person thought of it as a great trip and it wasn't mostly because of the delirium they experienced.
And more semi-misinformation on DXM from people...
Search google for guaifenesin toxicity, "Guaifenesin, when administered by stomach tube to test animals in doses up to 5 grams/kg, produced no signs of toxicity" [http://www.rxpalace.com/Label_Info/Guai1200_Details.htm], which has been reproduced by several sources. Usually there is around 20x the guaifenesin as DXM, so with a large dose of DXM ~600mg, you'd consume 12g of guaifenesin, and unless u weigh much less than 2.4 kg it's unlikely there will be any signs of toxicity. That said, unless you have an iron stomach like myself you will probably throw up from large doses of guafenesin (I usually feel nauseous for at least a half hour if I chug 8-12oz of Robitussin DM with only guafenesin and DXM hydrobromide as active ingredients but I am a tall guy and have an extremely high tolerance all across the board, I do not suggest anywhere near that amount if u weigh under 200 lbs, especially if it's your first time . You can also take some now and some later and it'll help with the nausea and since DXM is so long lasting you can even go from a 1st or 2nd plateau buzz (there are 4 plateaus or levels of subjective qualities that one will experience on DM) to tripping balls like PCP or ketamine in a 4th level completely dissociative effect, or a less-so but semi-dissociated 3rd level plateau. Watch out for the pills, which will contain several active ingredients and may make it much more difficult on your liver or increase the risk overdosing or having an allergic reaction. - Gatesophile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Benadryl is a sucky high. You get really tired, and just stare off into space, trying to think but not being able to complete a thought. It sucks.
DXM (dextromethorphan, the cough syrup) is better, but can be addictive. Taken in moderation though, it can be fun. But you just need to be sure the only active ingredient in the cough syrup is dextromethorphan, because other stuff in cough syrup (acetaminophen, guafinisen, psuedoephedrine, CPM) can REALLY be harmful when taken in the amount that you need to trip off of DXM. - ThisIsMyName, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2re: mrstupid
"You can buy whole nutmegs at some grocery stores. Nutmeg sucks though. Get a bottle of cough syrup with the only active ingredient being dextromethorphan (Hbr or polistrex, the polistrex absorbs slower though), and you'll trip balls as long as you can do at least 6 oz and not throw it up.
You can also trip off benadryls, but I would not recommend that because it's more like delirium than tripping."
As someone who more or less lives on benadryl ( and allergy shots - Such fun...), you can indeed trip out on benadryl. But have you ever taken too much of the stuff? Almost everyone who regularly takes it has taken a double dose at one point or another, primarily by forgetting they've taken it, and taking more to deal with their allergies (vs. waiting for their 1st dosage to kick in).
It sucks royally though! Think of the jitters and "twitching" you get from drinking too much coffee, and then multiuply that by ten. It's not a pleasant experience, and it takes like 3 hours till it starts to even begin to subside. It's the exact opposite of the drowsiness that most feel when taking the drug at normal levels
Now multiply this effect by about 10x, and you'll begin to get the effects of taking way too much benadryl.
I mean, if that's your thing, pig out on the stuff, but I can't imagine anyone who likes that feeling, and would take that route to getting high.
I've never done nutmeg... Seems like too dangerous for the effects to me. A mild trip for the chance to potentially OD on nutmeg. No thanks. My understanding is that there's a fine line between "too much", and "just enough".
Same thing w/Morning Glory seeds (although the effects are supposed to be very strong, as opposed to nutmeg) - You're supposed to trip balls, but just a bit too much, it's off to the hospital you go.
Let's face it. There's a reason that marijuana's remained as popular as it has. It's safe, has seemingly unlimited uses, and ways to use it (smoke, cook, vaporize, liquor, etc). If it weren't for the stupid laws which have been passed by narrow-minded people in some countries, it would be legal, and all of these dangerous alternative highs wouldn't even exist. Well, they'd exist, but no one would be consider them as a viable method of gettin' high) - JPamplin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3InconCEIVable! ;-)
- setfree, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I found God on Ecstacy at the ZenFest rave. It was a life changing moment that I now call my "Zen Experience".
http://www.thecosmicgift.com/articles/zen.htm - Confuseus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@setfree
i read your "zen" experience, and i'm sorry dude, but that wasn't zen. what you experienced on LSD was ego-loss, but you got scared. that wasn't a personal hell, that was your natural state of being, but you clung to your ego and thus had a "bad trip". ego-loss = zen. there is no evil in the world, everything just is. once you accept that, you'll be in zen. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"hippie chicks from Smith."
Smith is more of a lesbian factory now-a-days -- and not the good kind. - daverave999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, a whopping increase in serotonin just makes me sad.
- Mrstupid7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can buy whole nutmegs at some grocery stores. Nutmeg sucks though. Get a bottle of cough syrup with the only active ingredient being dextromethorphan (Hbr or polistrex, the polistrex absorbs slower though), and you'll trip balls as long as you can do at least 6 oz and not throw it up.
You can also trip off benadryls, but I would not recommend that because it's more like delirium than tripping. - SirFoxx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ikarma
I'm going to have to call you on your recommendations. They are all wrong.
Do not pre-load with 5-HTP |unless you wanted your X trip muted and subdued. If you want to know why this happens, do the research.
What you do is this to minimize any harm from X:
1: Take the X
2: 15 to 30 minutes after taking X, take 200mg to 400mg of ALA(Alpha Lipoic Acid) or 100mg to 300mg of R-ALA or KR-ALA. This will basically protect the brain from most the bad effects of X(which if you do in moderation and take time between trips is almost negligible), mostly due to its strong anti-oxidant properties.
3: At the end of the trip take 100mg to 200mg of 5-HTP to replenish serotonin. Do this the next 2 to 3 nights before bed.
Following this will prevent almost all damage from X(which is small to begin with unless your stupid) and prevent the blah feelings some get over the next few days.
Using 2-CB with X ,while a great mix and a lot of fun, will do nothing to prevent any damage from X and using it on the comedown will add another 4 to 6 hours to your night minimum. - divatri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Perfect post! Almost all people think so http://dogsbridge.blogspot.com
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