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- reef, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31pretty cool but i think this is cooler... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/life_straw_all.php
- partialinfinity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14If you had RTFA, you would see that these packets use chemicals and physical barriers to cleanse the water. They don't use horrible "anti-bacterial" methods. The risk of bacteria or viruses becoming resistant to chlorine, bonding agents, or mesh screens is pretty low.
Or perhaps if you had pulled your head out of the sand, you would see the millions of children who die each year because of diarrhea caused by water-borne pathogens. Or the billions of people who live (or don't live) each year with unsafe water. Technology like this will save millions of lives!
These people are not better off with dirty water any more than you would be better off intentionally ingesting bacteria-poisoned food and water every day. The only difference is that we can afford to buy the medicines that will make us feel better. When you get sick from bad food, it's a minor inconvenience. When they get sick, they die. - mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Your immune system is still going to be stimulated by other enviromental factors, but you are missing the point that it removes metals as well. The idea of that that does not kill me will only make me stronger is ridiculous when looking at contaminated drinking water. You can build up immunities to certain diseases, but you cannot build an immunity to lead and mercury poisoning.
- rcook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12From the article:
"The price of safety comes relatively cheap, Allgood says. Each packet costs a few cents and Procter & Gamble has been providing them free to some countries hit hard by sudden water emergencies, he says. To date, more than 40 million of these packets have been distributed worldwide for both sustained water remediation and emergency relief, Allgood says." - dime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Erm, I don't think this is a omgmustkillallgermsbecauseimaneuroticamerican issue but rather a omgtheresaturdfloatinginmywater issue.
Last I checked, bad water is bad water and no amount of conditioning is good for you. - DrYeti, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I see your point, but along those lines we shouldn't chlorinate swimming pools and not sterilize our surgical instruments. You have to draw the line somewhere. This is for use in places that the water is contaminated without a doubt, the only question being "is my imune system going to be able to fend off the bacteria/viruses this time?"
- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think I saw this on Discoveries this Week, or Beyond Tomorrow...and they made the host drink his own pee...but when the host offered it to the company president, he respectfully declined :puke:
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I have to agree the Life Straw is amazing. But I'm sure in countries that need this, it's like an ipod. You got this dude walking around with a sheet around loin and a big old glaring Life Straw. He's bound to get his ass kicked for that! And it doesn't even have white headphones.
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http://www.shoutcentral.com - zaren, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think the point of this stuff isn't to keep your water clean when you're mixing up some Kool-Aid at home, it's for when the water plants aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing because they aren't there - like if, oh, a ginormous hurricaine comes toddling along and wipes out most of your local infrastructure. Or if your airplane goes down in the middle of the ocean and leaves you on a deserted island. Stuff like that.
- partialinfinity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6All water treatment plants add bleach to water. The water at your house isn't so nasty with bleach, is it?
- dime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I dunno.. if I had to choose between bleachy water and my stomach turning itself inside out while my ass becomes a glorified garden hose...
sign me up for the bleach. - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4From the article:
"In those countries that lack a modern water purification system, boiling is often the main water decontamination method" - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I wonder if people read the article before posting how great water purification is in their nice modern cities, or if it's just that they don't comprehend that people still go down to the lake with a bucket in some countries, because their governments are so poor, inept, and/or corrupt that they don't have municipal water.
- Strahd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5There are plenty of places to be exposed to bacteria and germs without chugging skanky water. Go down the street and ask a homeless guy to sneeze on you a few times, that should give you a decent dosage.
- dr-steve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As has been pointed out, similar technologies already exist. Not to say this one isn't great as well; as many varied techniques as possible to improve disaster area/3rd world conditions should exist!
However, a key problem with all of these remains that of distribution. It has been well established (food, water, medical shipments) that in many of the areas where such technology has the greatest benefits, local politics, lack of civil structure, pirates, criminals, corruption, and so on will mean that the packets, straws, etc. never get to where they are needed.
Historically, most extended famines can trace the cause of the extension (and frequently even the famine itself) to political, rather than environmental, roots. - marykate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have seen this product demonstrated before and the residue (impurities, chemicals, etc) is not left in the water, it is filtered out. The guy who did the demo tasted the water and several other people tried it too and it tasted like normal tap water.
("The packet is added to a large container of impure water, stirred, filtered through a cloth to remove impurities and then allowed to sit for 20 minutes. The net result is clear, safe drinking water, the researcher says.") - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The article states that (to Proctor & Gamble's credit) they have been providing these for free. The real issue is whether or not these packets are getting to where they need to be. As someone else mentioned, there is often a long chain of command and/or influence between the product and the people it is intended to help.
- tablatronix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It is not removed, it must stay in the water till it comes out your tap to do its job.
In fact its over-chlorinated to account for the trip to your tap. - Weriy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have seen Greg Allgood's wife demonstrate this product for a 7th Grade Science class. She took muddy water and mad it clean in minutes. It is awesome.
She also talked about how P&G has been giving this product away for free to 3rd World Countries. P&G is not trying to for once make a profit on something but trying to save lives. - DrYeti, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I see your point, but along those lines we shouldn't chlorinate swimming pools and not sterilize our surgical instruments. You have to draw the line somewhere. This is for use in places that the water is contaminated without a doubt, the only question being "is my imune system going to be able to fend off the bacteria/viruses this time?" Also, some off these deadly, no matter how strong your immune system is.
- mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What happened to the days when you could drink the water and not get sick?
Oh, they never left, but people merely got stupider. - mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Someone needs to dump a bunch of this in the east river and start skimming.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3sounds like a bogus product if the guy who is in charge wouldn't even drink from it, regardless of the source (as that is the purpose of this device). oh well, thankfully i'm not too far away from a bottle of water or my fridge's water purification system.
- musicgenius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just use Brita.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Qdub you were right the first time. 40 million packets is insignificant. More than a billion people live on less than a dollar a day. You just don't know how poor some countries are till you've been there. Travel the world, it's a real eye opener.
- cmykx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The two posters above me should read this:
http://www.digg.com/technology/Segway_Inventor_Drinks_His_Own_Pee
The guy (Dean Kamen) who is the president of the company that invented the LifeStraw (DEKA Research) drank his own pee a while ago. Maybe not for the show you saw, but the guy did it first. As Terry Francona would say on WEEI: "I think you need to do your homework." (local sports nerd humor) - vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@cmykx: Dean Kamen and DEKA Research did not invent the LifeStraw. It was invented by a Danish inventor Torben Vestergaard Frandsen.
http://www.index2005.dk/Members/dafude/bodyObject - carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2LOL @ EEI, there's a nice (boston) reference.
Anyway, I don't need to do my homework, you need to re-read my post. The president declined to drink the hosts "filtered" urine. He may have drank his own, but he wouldn't drink the hosts.
Chip- - nstanosheck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Here is another way to purify the water that is even cheaper and easier to carry around! :-)
http://digg.com/science/The_sign_of_the_cross_and_Orthodox_prayer_are_capable_of_killing_microbes - aposter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yeah. They go through tons of the stuff each year at most water plants. What does the original poster think the source of the chlorine in his chlorinated/sanitized water is? Sounds to me like the packets are just a spoonful of the different chemicals used in most municipal water treatment plants in the U.S. Nothing more, nothing less. No wonder it works just as well. The difference is that the plant works on large quantities of water so the consumer doesn't need to worry if they treated their water or not.
- blandrys, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Hummm... Seing that bleach is one of the main purifying agents, I would suspect
the powder to produce safe but nasty tasting water - slythfox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Do we really need it? A lot of tab water in the US is just fine the way it is.
It's not refiltered toilet water, that some places use to water grass. We could be using that instead... and if we were, we still probably wouldn't need an aditional filter unless you happen to live in an old house with old, rusting water pipes. - honkerdown, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2There should be a policy against linking to press releases...
- phntm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1i though this was a promo of ABC's invasion :)
- Apreche, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Only useful if you have a well or really old ***** plumbing. Tap water is healthy by law. If it isn't then your local government will tell you so. Bottled water and filtered water are mostly just ***** made up by people trying to make money. The people who really need water filters are in developing nations where everyone gets dysentery.
- niqhil, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Find a drug.
Test it in third world countries.
Scare rich ppl.
Earn money. - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@partialinfinity
No, tap water is perfectly fine...but that's because the treatment plants then REMOVE the bleach in the process, this wouldn't be the case with the pouches. - swanny89, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0In the words of Cotton Hill:
"They even got the water that don't give you the hot poopies!" - csprech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Where are the pictures?!?
- djdole, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Hmm buy a packet of water that gives you the power of a water treatment plant right in a tiny little pouch.
Like a "Water-treatment-plant-in-a-pouch" concept? Pretty sweet idea!
But you know what would be AWSOME?!?!?
If we each had our own REAL water treatment plant that would treat our water for us instead of forcing us to buy and use ourselves, a expensive disposable one time use CHEMICAL item.
But...that would be even MORE expensive than the pouch idea...not to mention space consuming. You know...seeing as there would be ONE treatment plant for EACH person. Hmmm.
OH OH! I KNOW! We can all share ONE, or one per regional area that feeds into a big basin from which we can each sip from with personal straws. Like a big communal cup. ....Oh...but I don't want to drink from the same cup as sick people...Hmm
OH! Well what if we had some sort of system of tubes going from this centralized treatment plant that allowed everyone to get dirt cheap CLEAN water and not have to do the preparation that would be required with a "treatment-plant-in-a-pouch" system?! Yeah!
OH OH! And to prevent shortages we can provide caps...no... SHUTOFF valves, that allow people to vary the amount of treated water that flows out!
What a novel idea! "Water tubes" that allow a person to ...to..."TAP" into a centralized system of treated & clean water! SWEET! Yeah!
In fact...I'm sure people would start calling it that... a "Tap"! It's kinda catchy! It'd be a good sales pitch idea.
Like I could go up to my bud "Joey" and say: "Hey man, check it out! It's a snap! Get water from "The TAP"!
That would be AWSOME!
(Scarcastic joking aside, It's not a bad idea for poor countries, if the packets are dirt-dirt-DIRT cheap. Cheap enough for the people to be able to afford.) - phunnel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0we need it for the fire
- Qdub, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Must have missed that part. An example of why skimming is bad...
Thanks for the correction - vileS, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I find it funny that if the water plants were doing what they were supposed to, we wouldn't need to the ketchup sized packette sized version of exactly what isn't already working. Not complaining, I love me some tap water, but there's still some lovable irony in all of that.
- xmodem, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5exactly, people need to be exposed to germs and crap just to get there immune system strong.
- chaos86, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1sorry, this was supposed to be a reply that got put at the bottom. bury it.
- Fosnez, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Yay, so perfectly pure water, flu shots, antibiotics handed out like lollipops, anti-bacterial everything!
So the next generation's immune system will be so weak that there will be a real pandemic (as apposed to the media hype that is bird flue) the 1st world countries will all suffer massive deaths and the 3rd will go:
J00 i$ teh Suxx0r! - Qdub, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Interesting to know how big of a problem bad water causes in the world. Forunately, the US doesn't have much of a problem anywhere. Unfortunately the people that need this don't have the money for this filter or even a way to get it.
- eHardOn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0..I just unzip and let 'em drink straight from the tap.
- xiuxiu, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Old.
Darn, someone beat me to the punch.
Ill reiterate:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/life_straw_all.php
They have a handheld water purifier where it's like a straw, and you can drink straight from the source. - DrYeti, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2[damn editing system not working - bury]
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