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- aonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, one could mistakingly assume that those lower class families are selling their body for greed (since most of the diggers dont actually read the article), but the truth is (if someone reads the article) that they simply cannot afford to buy the medicine they need, so they settle for trial drugs.
- googletrickedme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is this really such a big deal? Poor people in the US do this too. One thing NOT done here is the selling of actual body parts to American and British patients hoping to use their dollars to get out of the waiting list.
- kingsway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So far this week, almost every article from the current Wired has been posted. Jeez...just buy the magazine and stop posting the entire thing on digg.
- MrGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Given the genetic differences in people across the world and how well drugs work in different groups according to their genetic profile one has to wonder how useful drug trials conducted in homogeneous populations can be.
Perhaps they are not trying to be fine grained in their results, just keeping it to simple stuff such as, will it kill you or not? - olegk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There's a great misunderstanding about drug companies being evil. "The Constant Garderner", although a good movie, is totally misleading. Think about it. We all know that drug companies want money. And that's normal. Who doesn't? Now imagine, a company invests $1 bil in drug research, modeling, clinical studies on animals, getting the right dosage, efficient production, and you think they will issue a drug that kills people in trials on people??? It will never get to market. Yes, there are drugs that went bad, in a long run (Vioxx, Bextra, Zyprexa, Accutane,...). But you know what, those drugs had one problem in a hunder thousands. That's safer than driving a car, even safer than flying. Those rare cases just didn't show up in the trials, even in large samples. And that's why FDA approved. Those drug companies didn't want to kill anybody. Any death means zero (or negative) profit.
Imagine, they would sell orange juice instead. I bet there are people out there with strong allergies to orange juice. And I bet several people die because of orange juice every year. But that somehow doesn't start the stupid lawsuits. - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Love of Money is the root of all evil, you socialist moron.
Now, where are my fellow college students at? They should be decrying the outsourcing of drug trials that along with selling plasma and standing by the road side holding up signs used to support their burgeoning pot habits without taking away from tuition, books, burritos and beer. - indijay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here I am, the individual who has worked on clinical trial of one of the american giant in India and all I can say, the title is 'partly' misleading but its not totally misleading.
This is effect of globalization, a word that can be tweaked as per convenience of the rich and powerful nations and they DO it on regular basis. They don't perform these clinical trials in Western countries because if something goes wrong they can't get away with it but unfortunately the politicians in India are so bad that they would only think of their wallets and nothing else, that is the reason why Enron decided to start plant in India and India accepted to buy power from Enron which was 5 times expensive than the local producer. There are tons of other examples like this.
Welcome to the biggest democracy in the world.
Wonder drug Viagra, as far as my knowledge goes, the drug was tested in Philippines but is yet to appear in Philipino market. The drug that I worked on (brilliant drug over that time performers) was tested on about 5000 patients and only 10 or 15 came from the western world, rest from Asian countries and this drug is not yet available in India, imagine why? Because Indian patients won't afford to buy this drug and company wants to make money. I will agree with this arguments because developing drug is few hundred billion dollar business with no guarantee of success but how US FDA can approve such drug for the market where it has not been tested? What if there is any racial issue? etc etc.. The argument is endless.
but its not Dollar hungry but greedy multinationals based in 'powerful' western countries need guinea pigs to test their drugs and they find heaven in Asian or developing/underdeveloped countries by the mercy of the local politicians and at that moments all ethics are kept in back-stage and a SHOW is made that Western countries are 'helping (!!)' developing countries. Thanks to all those 'developed' countries and their multinationals - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i cant' believe the morons on here claiming they are taking experiemental drugs because they can't afford real ones? just sit back and think about that statment for a moment.
if this a perfectly ethical thing to do, why aren't they doing it in the usa? plenty of people there can't afford drugs either.
no these companies are doing this out of unethical and seflish reasons at the expense of these peoples health. there is no other side to this story. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is this why Dalsim was so streatchy?
- rawsteak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0title is misleading. article totally not about italians or the nation of italy
- oneoffmanmental, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is where neo-liberal economic policies get you. You end up laden with all the risks America and Europe do not want - ecological, human rights, ethnic conflict, etc...
Welcome to the Risk Society.
Dugg! - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol @ Rawsteak. And I thought my Dalsim joke was raw. LMFAO.
- alanak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Clearly the person who wrote this blurb clearly didn't RTFA, because what s/he wrote is mostly wrong.
"Big pharmas have a billion people vying to be part of clinical trials of untested drugs." This is completely wrong. Go read the article. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@olegk
"Yes, there are drugs that went bad, in a long run (Vioxx, Bextra, Zyprexa, Accutane,...). But you know what, those drugs had one problem in a hunder thousands. That's safer than driving a car, even safer than flying. Those rare cases just didn't show up in the trials, even in large samples. And that's why FDA approved. Those drug companies didn't want to kill anybody. Any death means zero (or negative) profit."
This is so not true. The drug companies use selective studies to show that their drugs are safe, when in reality, they are not. And I used to be a researcher's assistant for the drug companies testing out their drugs......where we submit results back to the drug companies. What they do with it is their business.......leave out the bad results, include the good results saying their drugs are safe. It's a hypocracy. - bignate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0So is Digg now a shill for Wired or what? It seems like every story Wired runs ends up on Digg. Don't get me wrong, I like Wired, but it seems like there are a hell of a lot of Wired links popping up.
- aonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0dugg anyway.
- aonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0title is misleading. most of these people take the trial drugs because they cant afford to take real medication.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Money is the root of all evil
The Riddler
http://www.onlyriddles.com - conigs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0completely off-topic: I read this in the print version of Wired about a week and a half ago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0@aonic - what the hell are you speaking about? do you come out of the moon or something...blah blah blah title misleading, is that all you get to say..
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