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- rAid135, on 06/09/2009, -0/+8Kinda like how guys can remember the best porno websites among more than 12,000 other websites?
- akaakc, on 06/09/2009, -0/+7Dude, this guy is crackin' me up. His schtick is the whole "science and programming" thing. He brings it up in every post. Freakin' hilarious.
- akaakc, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6I agree with windsorlad. At least this guy's original. And he sticks to his material well.
- Nitrodist88, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6This is ***** hilarious.
- RothenbergXXX, on 06/09/2009, -2/+8This is so annoying to hear when I just lost my wallet.
- 1x253, on 06/09/2009, -0/+6Actually, while that is impressive, it's no more impressive than someone memorizing every level of their favorite vid/computer game.
In Latin America people don't give you street addresses they go by landmarks when giving directions,"Go down to the fruit market and hang a right, then you go several blocks until you run across an old blind dude in front of a barber shop and take the left fork, etc".
Then their are the cab drivers in Tokyo, NY, Mexico City and so on. I don't think a chimp's memory is any better than a human's; they just apply it in a different arena. - windsorlad111, on 06/09/2009, -0/+5this troll is worth feeding. cracks me up.
- whahaa, on 06/09/2009, -1/+5heavens forbid anyone should be entertained.
- blackinthmiddle, on 06/09/2009, -1/+5123bucklemyshoe is a troll. Stop responding to him. He brings this science and programming ***** response up every single time. You guys are just providing entertainment for him.
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -0/+4That's hysterical!
- sockpuppets, on 06/09/2009, -1/+4I'm like this with starbucks stores.
- MsArtGeek, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Yeah, the BBC is real "fringe".
- askantik, on 06/09/2009, -0/+21) According to your presumption (that's what it is-- it's not fact, because you can't measure "smart"), we wouldn't even know that humans are "smarter" than chimps if we hadn't studied them. So you fail there.
2) Just because they don't do the same things we do doesn't mean they aren't as smart. After all, if by smart you mean metalworking-- well, most people alive today can't do that. Or perhaps you meant study black holes or build dams... again, most people can't do that, so it's hardly fair. And chimps pwn us in some ways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAH4ZJBiN8
3) Ultimately, though, like I said, intelligence isn't really quantifiable. It's also subjective, not objective. Mentally retarded children could be said to be "not as smart" as regular people-- does that mean they don't matter? What about babies? Babies are "not as smart" as adults. So we should neglect them? What you really mean is that it has been ingrained in society that only humans are important and that non-human animals are inferior. Ah, but that's where society itself fails us. Surely you've heard the old saying "you must compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges?" That's the solution: non-human animals are so different from us (even our close relatives like chimpanzees or bonobos or gorillas) that it's hard to compare and contrast us with them fairly.
Each is evolutionarily a successful species (that could be debatable in a few years with some species, thanks to us and the mindset which I previously discussed). Each animal fills it's own niche in an ecosystem and each animal has things that make it unique. People say "animals are dumb" as if that were somehow quantifiable (we can't even know what a person is thinking, how would we know about other animals??). I say piss on those who are close-minded and prejudiced.
"It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions." -Mark Twain - windsorlad111, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2i am sure that the amount of times you say you are extremely interested in science and programming is inversely proportional to the chance that you will get a job in science and programming.
- Rudegar, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2we however spend more time and memory on recalling easter eggs in games
and lines from monty python and star-trek :P - inactive, on 06/09/2009, -2/+4Not impressed. OF COURSE they can remember where food is in their area.
- rwhittak3, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Its not nearly as impressive as my mental map to the best cheesesteak dives.
- ApokalypseNow, on 06/15/2009, -1/+3No, it doesn't support that, because the fossils aren't in the appropriate chronological layers for such a scenario.
Neither are they in an arrangement to support your mythology's assertions, and no amount of flooding is going to give human artifacts from 22,000 years ago (like the Venus of Willendorf) greater escape ability than the plants and animals in geological layers below them (despite your numerous assertions to the contrary from months ago). - the2989, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2are you a primatologist?
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -0/+2Anyone ever seen that Japanese study where the chimps remember the numbers 1-8 on the screen then select their locations in order after they flash off? They own humans at it so this is obvious.
- MazeBot, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1not all that surprising, fixed object location mapping, theres algorithms for it which are pretty simple maths. and thats trying to emulate a mental process in maths, so metal process must be pretty simple aswell. hell robots can do it, and im pretty sure they dont have robots as smart as chimps yet, unfortunately
- XkenX87, on 06/09/2009, -2/+3Reply
- aserer511, on 06/10/2009, -0/+1Making a joke? Really?
- realmadrid2727, on 06/10/2009, -0/+1Chimps are a member of the great ape family, so yes, apes.
I meant to say it was a bad rebuttal to an analogy (to askantik, not you, I hit the wrong reply link) since you don't have to have played all 12,000 games. - 1x253, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1apples and oranges, baby. ONE video game would be equivalent to 12,000 trees in my analogy. The number 12,000 comes from the amount of trees the chimps can navigate to find that ONE specific tree. Navigating one tree itself should be relatively easy for anyone; not so for a vid game.
Read the article. - 1x253, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1First they're chimps, not apes.
Second, it's all spatial relationships; fundamentally it's the exact same mechanism of the brain. Whether you're navigating a parking lot, a forest or a vid game the same parts of the brain are being used. - BenTheTank, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1I guess I should have expected a juvenile insult. But it's actually a serious question.
Chimps remember where their favorite feeding locations are; what benefit is this information to the human race? I fail to see the significance. Perhaps it's just an issue of personal interest, or "gee whiz" info. - dinstar, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1Now I know what are they doing there without television and computer games.
- realmadrid2727, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1Calling a Harvard grad an ape? Really?
- dinstar, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1Did you have contacts with any monkeys lately? Some breeds of urban monkeys mentally map wallets instead of trees!
- b1ffr43p, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1This one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJAH4ZJBiN8
They smoke me at it every time. - realmadrid2727, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1That's a bad analogy. Think of it as parking in a huge parking lot. You'll know where your car is because you parked in 29-G. The same general idea is being used by the apes; they remember the location based on the surroundings.
This is impressive because of the complexity of their search patterns (for non-humans.) - bioviral, on 06/09/2009, -0/+1The same difference of a Chimp's intelligence as compared to yours.
Anti-intellectualism ftl. - BenTheTank, on 06/09/2009, -2/+2I don't mean to troll, but who really cares what Chimps are capable of intellectually?
They are not as smart as humans, so what difference does it make? - Rudegar, on 06/09/2009, -2/+2you have a dog in a cage ?
- ADifferentUsern, on 06/09/2009, -0/+0So, just to be clear 123bucklemyshoe... if I said, "Hey, remember this tree." you wouldn't already be able to remember that tree?
- cnichols785, on 06/09/2009, -1/+1Darn, I wish I knew this when that leprechaun tricked me by tying ribbons to ALL the trees and not just the tree where he buried his pot of gold...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZfyrIPw3wY - xamox, on 06/09/2009, -2/+2This has kept me up at night for years, now I can finally rest easy. I was so worried that they wouldn't be able to find the fruit they needed to survive.
- TheTikiTony, on 06/09/2009, -0/+0PWNT!
- speet42, on 06/09/2009, -0/+0Nope
- sleestakslayer, on 06/09/2009, -1/+0Ha ha, that was funny. However, I would suggest that if all you had to do was gather fruit and a couple other tasks, then you would have very good spatial memory as well. We really don't need it as much for own survival.
- inactive, on 06/09/2009, -3/+2Well played... I, for one, was expecting a Bush joke given the demographics on Digg.
- askantik, on 06/09/2009, -2/+1Except none of us have played 12,000 video games.
- CoD4, on 06/09/2009, -2/+1and nothing of value was lost
- esteeh, on 06/09/2009, -2/+1Absolutely hate chimps. They smell and they eat babies (of other species and of human infants).
- blackinthmiddle, on 06/09/2009, -2/+1Blocked!
- kenrayd, on 06/09/2009, -3/+1This new evidence supports the "Planet of the Apes" hypothesis that apes descended from humans (seriously though, they were all created on the same sixth day).
- IKORKYI, on 06/09/2009, -3/+1big deal, my dog remembers exactly where it last left its toy. let her out of the cage, and she runs to it even if its out of sight
- Gerome42, on 06/09/2009, -2/+0In Soviet Russia, the trees map you!
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