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- kainoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8As a chemist I can say; there are a lot of misconceptions that arise when most people begin to use scientific terminology, it must be noted, a law is a statement of observation which is generally accepted to be true. A theory is a logical model made of facts, laws, hypotheses et cetera. Simply, a law states what happens, a theory explains how it happens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Types
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law - nova_rock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In a humanities class I could see the discussion of religions, philosophies and origin beliefs, but in a biology science class merely describing the process of evolution in the natural world, you should teach the theory with THE MOST evidence supporting it.
Understand that I think exposure to different ideas is great for contemporary subjects is a good, even amazing thing, but there are many subjects where the most understood, supported and applicable solution should be taught.
Instead of just using the word science understand what it means; it is a process of observing, hypothesizing, gathering evidence and debating its merits, the longer a theory survives the more accepted it is and the more it should be taught.
Simply creationism / ID are rooted as social arguments against relativism and should stay in a social context; they do not belong in the world of debatable, testable science.
And from the constitutional perspective public schools have no busyness promoting religion. - TetrisKid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"evolution is definitely not perfect, but it has more scientific data backing it up than creationism will ever have."
Umm actually there is no scientific proof for either. That's why more than one approach should be presented. Evolution is correct in the micro form but that can be explained away and simple adaptation, there has never been proof of evolution on a macro level. The same holds true for ID. Both or neither. - Nation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does any one in congress or other high ranking political possision remember the phrase 'seperate the church and state'? Damn, where did i hear that? Was it... oh yes, the constitution of the united states of america. And being that public schools are a STATE controlled institution, what Bush proposing is un-constitutional.
I could go on, but what i have to say would probably take me off the given topic.
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please go read the constitution and then post when the phrase "seperate the church and state" is. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hate articles like these, they start such a flamewar at times.
- sudonim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2rnokkin,
As far as I can tell technology as we know it was born out of science so I think scientific stories should be ok here. If you don't like it then report the story and maybe other people will do the same. - fatb0b, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Man you people should really read a article before you start preaching crap about it. The actual quote was,
"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Mr Bush said in comments to five Texas newspapers on Monday. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes."
There is nothing wrong with that at all. I mean there is no reason to try keep people ignorant. School is the place to share ideas and talk about different possibilities like this. Open discussion helps keep people from being closed minded. Just as long as everybody is unbiased and makes sure to specify what is and can be scientifically proven and what is theory and has no proven basis. If a large majority of people believe it to be true it should be acknowledged that the thought exists. - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bet no one would argue if this was about Islam......
- mutant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I believe in Xenu.
I also like pineapple. - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just remember that science theories are derived from someone's beliefs.
- duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is also repeated that there is "no evidence of Creationism."
A watch doesn't come into existance without someone creating it. A car doesn't exist without someone putting it together. A house doesn't exist without someone building it.
All the "evidence" of Evolution can be applied to Creationism. It's a matter of perspective. - runelind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, evolution is a theory, but so are numbers...
- sstacks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank God (seriously) we have a President who doesn't let politics or pressure from society dictate his faith.
Go Bush!
P.S. The things of God seem like foolishness to the darkened mind. - eljaysun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3My favorite Intelligent Design theory is Raëlism - the people who believe that humans were created by extraterrestrials through genetic engineering. Do you think Bush will let that be taught in schools? I mean... it IS an alternative to Darwinism.
- twitchr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1here comes the digg police! everyone hide!!
- wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I believe there should be a new law:
If you don't believe in evolution, or science, you may not be allowed the benefit of genetic research, various therapies, and flu shots. You can have your principles of messed up logic, and suffer the consequences.
If you don't believe in evolution, you believe in a static world. How would you like the flu vaccine from 20 years ago? - dbcoder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2All he said was he supported both. Try not to get it from liberal news sources that put their agenda into everything they say. Listen to the recording if you can find it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't I've seen this many comments on anything before.
I think the problem that reasonable "religious people" have with current tectbook's teachings of evolution is that it rules out the theory of creation. Teaching evolution as the only key to man's existence doesn't seem right to me. - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If they want to learn about creationism they can go to church. It has no scientific proof behind it except a damn book so why should students in school learn it? Teach evolution, but make sure it is known that it is just a THEORY and not known yet."
Unless one has been on a scientific expedition, we all learn both "from a book". - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Lastly, why put bible passages in here? How lame is that. I think you need to pick up another book and learn something more."
Why are Bibles lame? People have died for it, can't say that about most books. This country was created because people wanted to worship God as they pleased (READ YOUR HISTORY). Have we forgotten that? To say we can't do something religious anywhere (any religion) goes against the very reason we live in America. "You can worship like you want, but not here." - MikeMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So whats the problem with teaching different THEORIES on how we came to be?
There is no proven answer... just theories. - Andir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lollerskates, use the power of Digg...bury the story by reporting it with the green dropdown box at the top.
- mattmacg4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What does this story have to do with technology?
cyrusgades, take a second to read the homepage, please!
"What's Digg? Digg is a technology news website..." - Bleek-II, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why is this on digg?
- fatb0b, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lollerskates, yeah get this ***** off the mainpage. it was a horrible misquoted article to start with followed by a bunch of off topic flaming.
- duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Yup. We found the crater that most likely caused it, we have dated the bones to be way before humans existed, in fact before mammals existed."
Oh, you mean carbon dating?
"First of all, to avoid confusion, it is necessary to understand that carbon dating can only be use to date geologically young, 35k - 50k years, carbon containing substances (Lepper, 1992; Whitelaw, 1993)."
http://www.et.byu.edu/~adw45/Carbon%20Dating.htm Second paragraph... - Andir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Again, I will suggest that anyone reading, select one of the fine options from the green dropdown box at the top. (yes, way up there)
This has no place here. - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"But its ONLY purpose is to give validity to religion. How is that helping my children make a better world?"
Again, more "idiotic Bible" stuff....
Believing in Creationism is essentially believing that God exists. Honestly, that's where it boils down to. Believing that God exists means one has to believe the Bible is true (man is a sinner, Jesus died for us, etc). I have seen peoples live changed because they believed in this idiotic religion. Kinder to people, etc. GRANTED NOT EVERYONE, but true believers want the best for everyone based on the Bible. What does that have to do with anything. By turning towards God, getting rid of sin and letting God lead our lives, a lot less stress. Crazy, idiotic beliefs, but a life with less stress none the less. Everyone being kind to one another, loving one another, etc. Too much to get into here. - duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If I ignore the facts, I live a happy life."
So you're life isn't happy?
Facts: I turn on a light switch, it turns on a light. I might not know everything there is to know about that light, but I know it works. My ignorace of the equipment doesn't make the light not come on. It just works.
My intelligence level has nothing to do with God, nor does it have anything to do with happiness.
See, I don't understand how a "weak mind" has anything to do with religion. It's a matter of what I believe. By saying that religion has no place in schools is saying that you want to push "non-religious" ideas on a people that believe in God. It's a circle of arguments that has gone on for thousands of years that only "the end" will tell... - scott88008, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The basic conflict here is not between religious dogma vs scientific methodology. It's between a materialist vs spiritual philosophy. The materialist believes that life is merely a complex of compounds and physical processes and that behavior is thus completely determined by mechanics. The spiritually inclined believe there is a non-physical component to existence which is the causal factor behind all decisional actions. There's no way to prove either viewpoint directly, it's more a matter of belief or personal awareness. In my opinion neither "belief" should be taught in schools.
- drklrdbill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wisewaif, there is a difference between Darwin's evolution theory of the beginning of life and evolution of culture. You can know that viruses evolve as drugs start to target them, but not that monkeys turn into men.
- ArcaneDevice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the "intelligence" of the human race extends only as far as what we think we know at a single point in time.
If you believe what you are told simply because you are told to believe it by the mass majority, then you are an idiot. Think for yourself and keep an open mind.
The rest of you can sail off the end of the world and revolve around the Sun until the human race discovers how off base we were. Again.
So long, and thanks for all the fish. - jrsl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.venganza.org/
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is like a witch trial in reverse. "OMFG!!! A GOD LOVER!! HE DOESNT ACCEPT SCIENCE BURN BURN BURN AT STAKE"
This is hopeless. You guys are arguing something that's going to be around for centuries, if not millennia. - Andir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One last comment. Please help bury this, it's not needed here at Digg. Select the appropriate option form the green dropdown at the top of the page.
- duddman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So why do people get so upset about religion?
"It's like a fairy tale that got out of hand and it's interfering with the progression on the human race. Let it go people."
Isn't like believing in Santa, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. I don't see anyone protesting against them. But I digress...
To rule ID as not science isn't exactly accurate either. It depends on how one interprets the findings. Example, God holds the molecules in place or string theory? It's a matter of perspective, not beliefs. It takes more faith to believe that an explosion created everything than it does a person (or thing if you like) created everything. - TetrisKid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Science or Technology becuase both seek to disporove Religion"
It's people like this that create and teach bad science. Same goes for somebody who says "God disaproves of man's advancements" - sudonim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think somebody just punctuated my equilibrium
- Andir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Suit yourself. You stopped argueing your other point because it was ignorant, now all you are doing is flaming. Doesn't bode well for your arguement."
Well, actually, my original point was to get this thread buried, and that remains my point. - Redlobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Take a look at "Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant" by Richard Dawkins. I found it interesting.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-196-1619264,00.html - digit9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So what if they teach ID in schools. Isn't it our responsibility as parents to reinforce what our kids learn? I for one have already discussed ID with my daughter. I explained how it came about, who believes it and why. The choice is hers.
On another note, I think religion should be taught in schools. Not just the far right's version of Christianity, but Judism, Hinduism, Buddism etc. What I have issue with is having ONE religion being taught and not all.
While Bush is at it, why not debate the existence of God in the classroom too?
While I am at it, I think the left needs to get off the ass of people that do believe in a god and the people on the right need to get off the ass of people that don't.
Lastly, why put bible passages in here? How lame is that. I think you need to pick up another book and learn something more. - gatorsrule21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"more of this pompus ass pushing his OPINIONS on people"
I guess that pompus ass darwin is just pushing his OPINIONS on people too. - SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was comparing the origin stories of pagan myths with that of the Abrahamic religions. Why believe one over the other? The only thing that keeps me a bit religous (catholic) is the few good things that religion offers, like caring for each other. The fact that jesus most likely existed also keeps me believing in some of it, and mostly the fact that if there is a hell or heaven, I'd like to be in heaven. Nevertheless I just can not believe that snakes are evil, the earth is 6000 years old, and the sun revolves around the earth. I'm straying off topic, so I'll stop. Keep science in school and religion in church (and home).
- Nation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Science or Technology becuase both seek to disporove Religion"
I thought science sought to discover how stuff works and technology is the result of R&D with the purpose of improving the quality of life ... neither seeks to disprove anything, rather to answer questions or improve life. - Bleek-II, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh yeah, Dafter is great you should stop by some time (if you can find it).
- onager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The right direction being what, porn? Of course!
Fact: All internet flame-fests eventually end.
Fact: All internet discussions end with either pr0n or nazis!
Fact: Porn is better than nazis.
Thus: This conversation is headed in the right direction.
I'm so damn logical, I oughta make up a theory of where life came from, and demand it be taught in schools! - aaikau, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Bush is insane...
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It would gain some popularity if it followed the scientific method.
- acemilo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The ONLY reason that evolution is theory is that it can NEVER be proven because we don't live long enough to witness thousands of generations of species being born. Creationism is not a theory, it is religion. They try to get around this by saying "some higher being" or some "more intelligent being" instead of saying "god", but the fact remains that it is RELIGION. There is a little thing in america called seperation of church and state, which means if its run by the gov't and paid for with taxes, then it can't be religous, plain and simple. Creationism is 100% relegion and 0% science therefore, it should NOT be taught in public schools. They can teach whatever the hell they want in private schools, just keep the religous bs out of public schools. The idea that the earth revolves around the sun is still a theory, since there is no way to fly above the solar system and look down and watch, but its 99.999999% proven, its just that one technicality. Notice how scientists don't say that its a law that the earth revolves around the sun. Laws are proven, and theories are just best guesses based on EVIDENCE and OBSERVATION. Creationism has NO evidence and there is NO way to observe it. ALL of the evidence supports evolution.
My favorite thing is gonna be when we finally confirm that life exists definitively on another planet, even if its microbial. Why? Because it DESTROYS religion. The bible, the belief that god made us in his image, the idea that jesus came and did all this stuff for us, all revolves around us being the only life in the universe. Once life is discovered outside our planet, religion will crumble.
I don't know if it was mentioned earlier (I admit I didn't read many ppl's posts, theres just too many), but everyone should watch the episode of Penn & Teller's *****! where they debunk creationism. I'm not saying that it definitively proves creationism wrong, it just proves definitively that creationism is NOT science and should NOT be taught in school. What bugs me is that some states (mostly in the mid west and south) put stickers in their books that say evolution is a theory. No *****! Why don't they say that creationism is a theory and has no supporting evidence? The hypocracy, both from our own president and from the american ppl, is astounding and just shows you how slow we really are.
KEEP IT OUT OF MY TAX PAID SCHOOLS! - vikramkr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0silentspyder: So you're saying that a lot of religions around the world are pagan? I have to disagree with you.
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