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- SmackMyMac, on 10/10/2007, -4/+40Artist's are Born then Formed. Born with the desire and talent, trained in the Application.
- MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26An accomplished art thief breaks into an art gallery and manages to evade all the sophisticated security and steals a number of famous paintings. He then gets outside and got into his escape vehicle only to break down a block away..
The police quickly arrest him and ask how such a well thought out plan could go so wrong..
The thief said "I didn't have the Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh..." - Hermitwise, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I actually find it rather insulting to artists to think it's a gift from a higher power. I think it's much better to think it's the actual abilities of the individual and their desire to create beauty from their own choosing, rather than a thumb on the head from god saying "okay you paint velvet unicorns"
- hanksname, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I duplicated you on this from another PSU URL. Oddly, there's no way to delete my own digg. So I at least buried myself.
- vault, on 10/10/2007, -6/+18Definitely born- you can teach technique but you can't teach genius.
- oddtom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Personally, I don't think you know what art is. A painting isn't the technique that made it, but the human experience it reflects. A computer, by present definition, will never be human. It can only imitated one.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11No, it is Manet. Edouard Manet.
- *jooloop*, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6They also say that Lefties live an average of five years shorter than Righties. Believe what you want.
- Strman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Very few artists seem to be born talented. Only the occasional genius. . .the rest of us have to just practice for long periods of time. I guess you can be born with the desire, but almost no one is born with raw talent.
- diggface5000, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8SPOILER ALERT: it's both.
"probing question" that is not..... - silverchrysalis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5noble of thou
- Heiliger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"People get better at their craft. You can’t teach talent, but you can teach the skills to liberate it."
-Daniel Weisinger - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What a lot of people don't realize is that people like Mozart practiced the piano (harpsichord?) until his hands were a crinkled up mess. Most people only see the end result.
- MadHarvey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5To become a great artist, you need two things: time and motivation. Most people quit something when they find out they are not immediately great at it. When if they just stuck with it for a few years, they would probably surprise themselves. You may not be able to teach someone else genius, but you can teach yourself to be great at something if you take the time.
A good part from 'A Waking Life':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThUaBAGJpQs - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11"What creates a great artist like Gentileschi, Van Gogh or Manet?"
Pussy. - anthonyk28, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4My comments always disappear.
- vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I thought Artists were bought and sold by the RIAA.
- kalsey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Correct - thats why you're being buried. Inside jokes rarely work on community sites =/.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7You know it's ok to think different right? Even if you don't believe in his faith, there is no reason to be an ***** about it. Grow up and learn diversity.
- shaelen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If that is so, why would God give that gift to some people, and not others? What about those who have no "gift" at all? Are they somehow less important to God?
- BrandonAbell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3LOL, why are the ignorant so quick to correct others? It is indeed Manet, homeslice.
- vbsurfer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That Susanna and the Elders piece is brilliant by the way.
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Must have been an Italian thief... :P
(read it with an accent) - hiPpymIck, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3*groan*
- msjacoby, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5I don't know, but it DEFINITELY HAS TO BE one OR the other!
- 3leggedHorse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 Buried as lame heard all this ***** before, however much teaching I could not be a artist it's natural talent that seperates the good from the greats. Wether all picasso's or whoever find out that is there talent god only knows. Chances are in the west they would find that out at elementory school because of access to crayons or whatever, In poorer countries that might be different.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Originality should be the issue. Anyone can be taught to draw or paint reasonably well. You can learn anything, but you won't be the best necessarily.
Some people are creative/original and others are not. Meaning, you can be a brilliant artist, but nothing you make is original, just very good copies or heavily inspired works.
A true artist is someone who can create something original and do it well. - shaelen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wow, this comment of yours is kind of artistic in itself. It's like after watching some profound movie about the history of the world a reporter asks you what you thought of the movie on your way out of the theater, you reply "My words always disappear." That would leave the reporter stunned and even more profoundly affected by your comment and would probably say to himself "Wow, there goes a great poet!"
- bitterbug, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" makes reference to Vincent Van Gogh not starting drawing and painting until the age of 27. And he sucked. But he persevered until he was able to draw what he saw... and then refined his techniques from there.
- smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2then by that definition the term "art" loses all meaning. art is a manifestation of human expression. so by definition a computer alone cannot create art. it can be used as a tool to assist in creating art, such as a robot programmed by a human to paint, but all art requires human inspiration behind it.
_good_ art is defined by its ability to evoke certain intended emotions, so in a sense all works of art do require an audience to fulfill its purpose, but i think you begin equivocating art with beauty when you say that anything can be art as long as someone enjoys it. that's just not true. even from a postmodern perspective, art requires a human hand in it if only to frame a certain pile of trash as art
think of it this way: photography is an art form, and most photos are of scenes or things that already existed anyway, but it wasn't manifested as art until the artist captured it from their personal perspective through the act of taking the photo. anything can be viewed as art if it's being used by someone to express themselves creatively, but that still requires a person to create the actual work of art.
btw, i accidentally buried you, oddtom. i actually meant to digg you up, sorry. - Metasquares, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's an argument of aesthetics, not talent. These people might be creating exactly the sort of art they intend to; it just might not be pleasing to you.
- Pritchard, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Double Comment ^.^;; My apologies.
- smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2conversely, then why are you calling him an ***** just because he disagrees with the OP? the OP's comment was just as banal and un-insightful as the response he got.
- smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1see, i disagree with that whole mentality of viewing art as profession. a person's life's work doesn't have to be their occupation, and people shouldn't equivocate the two. being an artist is a lifestyle and a hobby, but most artists don't earn money making art.
- Metasquares, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1People use digital cameras, and yet they are still considered photographers. All that's changed is the medium; there's still an artist driving the creation of the work.
- botmfeedr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Born. Doesn't mean they're good. Trained if they want to be great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Rachmaninoff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Liszt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1To me it sounds like you were born with a knack and college brought it out. Maybe your approach was wrong. When I started I would draw 6-12 hours a day. If you didn't put that kinda time as a kid I know you did in art school. I think you were just slow to blossom. I have friends who put the time in like I did, just to be fair at best. I know too many artists who say it can't be taught. Some people can sing... some people have a tin ear. No amount of training can make a great singer out of someone with a voice like a duck. Plus there are cases of separated twins who grow up in different ways and backgrounds and both have chosen art as a profession or hobby... you can't teach that.
- yahoofrom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1playing piano is one thing. composing is another.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2They are taught to master what they are born with...I know that for sure as I can't draw for *****
- ChineseRoom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Probably born, but without the training it will never amount to anything. I just hope I am born with at least one talent.
- smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1originality/creativity too can be cultivated. it might be acquired naturally in certain environments, but anyone can learn to be more creative.
- *jooloop*, on 03/18/2008, -0/+1Well, according to pintong, I'm half right...
- pintong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1There are two famous French impressionists, one named Édouard Manet and the other named Claude Monet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monet - biggyfred, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dugg for using Artemisia Gentileschi as a lead in. One of the best nobody has heard of.
- smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i don't think talent is as big of a factor as most people seem to think. generally, people who are seen as "talented" usually just have a predisposition naturally resulting in their spending more time practicing whatever craft it is that they are deemed to be talented at.
also, it's been proven that genius can be actively cultivated by the right kind of upbringing and a determined mentor. - bonjourmr, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I'll tell you right now: a lot of absinthe and a lot of drugs.
- scout29c, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Both.
I prayed to be a writer and became one. I should have prayed to be a storyteller. I can write but have no story to tell.
Creative genius will show through undeveloped technique, and mastery of technique will provide excellent expression of previously developed work.
When creative genius masters technique, the world is given wholly new expressions of the human experience. - Metasquares, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Mozart was pushed into composition by his father. His sister was too.
You're correct that they had talent, but without the work, it probably wouldn't have amounted to anything. Also, don't underestimate the circumstances that they found themselves in; becoming the best in one's field is a matter of circumstance as much as talent (maybe more). - rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1parents worked in an aircraft assembly plant for a short time, before i was born, i never knew this before, why i cant get enough knowledge of aircraft, not really born with it, just memories transferred to the next generation.
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