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- D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1113% in 2001 according to http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chinaenv.html
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15If they (meaning the Chinese patriarchy) don't shape up soon they're cruising for dynastic rebellion. The peasants in the countryside are still suffering. With 2 Billion people and a modern military a Chinese civil war would be amazingly ugly. Honestly, it would be for the best but that can't change the horror that millions of deaths would evoke.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"And people wonder why the Kyoto Treaty failed"
Actually the Kyoto treaty hasn't failed, over 160 countries have signed on, including Russia. The United States has not yet ratified it, along with the treaty on child soldiers ("treaty on the rights of a child") which was ratified by 192 countries (the US opposes this and refuses to ratify it), and the treaty banning land mines ("The Ottawa Treaty") which has been ratified by 154 countries (the US opposes this and refuses to ratify it.)
Although it's early to decided whether it's reduced CO2 growth, the trading of carbon credits on the free market has been a huge success, helping fund non-CO2 emission sources. Ahem... that's the free market. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8What percentage of the world's pollution comes from China?
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Although it's early to decided whether it's reduced CO2 growth, the trading of carbon credits on the free market has been a huge success, helping fund non-CO2 emission sources. Ahem... that's the free market."
Strictly speaking that's not free market, but instead an artificial market created by regulation. Not saying it doesn't work, and at least it's more flexible than absolute regulations, so it's probably a good compromise. - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10population of burriedville: 3, plus one more is probably on the way.
- billmania, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11But if you complain, they take you away...
- toby34a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This isn't an anti-China post, this is a climate science post. The problem with China is that it operates on a much less secure climate system (relies on the monsoon systems, seasonal rain, and so on). So, there is less of a redundancy in the system. Ergo, minor changes can alter the entire system. So, the increase of atmospheric aerosols could have much more of an effect versus in America.
Plus, in China, the pollution is not spread out nearly as much as it is in America. You gotta figure that that China is around the size of the continental US, but the cities are not. So, further concentration of the atmospheric aeorsols can have more of an effect then in the US. - Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8And people wonder why the Kyoto Treaty failed
- gregmo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html
Countrywise: China is the largest, then India, then America
At over 1.3 Billion they're about 20%
I think theres some give and take about them and pollution with THAT many people - Jorenm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The article doesn't state that pollution is the cause, it merely points out a correlation in the data.
Personally I want to believe that it's caused by their environmental practices. I am sick of China having prices almost no one can compete with due to their utter disregard for their environment or their people. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Hmm 2nd most in the world, after USA, and with far more people? Seems like they are pretty low on pollution per person, compared to similarly industrialised countries.
Why isn't the USA affected by the same problem as China? Do they have a good solution to the pollution problem? Maybe China could do the same. - rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The peasants are being taught to blame all their woes on 'The West'... I doubt that we'll see a civil war over there. We're more likely to see China take an aggressive posture against 'The West' so they can try and divert the anger of their lower classes outward instead of inward.
- Tlogmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At this point, the chinese are free to complain; they're just not allowed to organize.
- jwhicks727, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The increase in pollution affects rainfall in two ways. First, extra particles increase the number of tiny cloud droplets, but these repel each other, discouraging the formation of the heavy droplets needed for rain. Second, black sooty particles absorb sunlight, raising the temperature in the upper atmosphere. This reduces the amount of mixing with the lower atmosphere, which decreases the likelihood of clouds forming."
That seems like a pretty good explanation for pollution's effect on rain. It's not scientific proof, but it reinforces the correlation argument. I think that the article's assertion that "air pollution is turning China dry" is valid. - phonepimpbill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think only when they concentrate like this does this effect occur. In essence, there may be what you could call harmless pollution. If spread out over space, naturally occurring substances like CO2, NO2, PO3 and SO3 are absorbed by trees, marshes, and the ocean when in dilute enough form that they don't do as much harm.
- jwhicks727, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Why isn't the USA affected by the same problem as China? Do they have a good solution to the pollution problem? Maybe China could do the same."
Population density is lower in the US I believe. Maybe the US's polution is more spread out and the effects aren't as immediate? Just a guess. - Hermitwise, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Like I'm always saying, Pan evaporation is key in all aspects of life. They called me crazy..
- khalidur2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1actually bigdavediode, but from my rudementary understanding of the topic, the US refuses to ratify the no mines treaty is because they still use it in the DMZ and still NEED it, but i could be wrong :).
- returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Doesn't the US still output more pollution per capita than China? The hyprocrisy on Digg doesn't surprise me one bit. Everyday we hear another anti-China post, when most of those posts are problems the US is currently facing as well: censorship, privacy, human rights.
Why is America so infatuated with pointing out the problems of other countries in the world when its not doing so well itself? Just because we are not as bad as China at human rights, privacy or censorship doesn't mean our country is doing just fine. Bah, wonder how long before another 'China kills baby kittens' post makes it to the frontpage. - kuosion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is probably happening everywhere. It is probably just more noticable in China.
- yish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1According to the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/5005994.stm) Texas alone is the 6th producer of carbon emmisions worldwide. Not that I have too many good words for the Chinese regime, but hey...
- rektide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is not what I had in mind when China spoke of a rain free Olympics.
-rektide - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Just because America is not perfect doesn't mean Americans can't criticise other countries.
Many/most Americans are perfectly aware that their country has problems, but sometimes it's nice for them to know that there is somewhere even worse. After all, they can't change anything so they try to learn to live with it the way it is. - friend18, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21/6th?
- Jorenm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1We're not doing as well as I'd like, and our prospects are looking grim, but we are still better than (almost?) all other countries in regards to human rights, censorship and privacy.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Correlation != Cause. Article flagged innacurate.
It could be that the sooty air blocks sunlight and reduces evaporation of water. Of course, it could be something else as well, like the fact that there is more pavement and less ricefields. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+7They deserve it!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2@Petrarch1603
welcome to buriedville, population: You - Petrarch1603, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5welcome to buriedville, population: You
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -30/+0There is nothing that crossing a chicken sandwich, a PSP, a toothpick, a brush, some plutonium, 12 MP3's, some really really good porn, and some random idiot can't fix.
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