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- david76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36So, the Talking Heads were right.
"There is water at the bottom of the ocean." - MMulder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27If the pressure is high enough...
- albatross5000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25dragons
- albatross5000, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34I hope when jesus comes back to kill everyone, he kills you first.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Scientists and their "theories"
- zirtbow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Could be all the pressure like those vents on the bottom of the ocean.
The temperature of the water coming out of the vents ranges from a modest 10-30° Celsius to a staggering 350-400°C. Because of the very high pressure, this superheated water does not boil and turn to steam as it would in air. - Ref: http://www.fathom.com/course/10701050/session6.html - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"...Why are so many people intent on using incorrect science to disprove this seismologist ?"
Because correct science would support him. And they can't have that. No sir-ee. - utcursch, on 11/05/2007, -0/+16High resolution image from the WUSTL website (original publisher)
http://news-info.wustl.edu/pub/libs/images/usr/5368_h.jpg
The original article (physorg has sourced the article from WUSTL):
http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8222.html - snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Styx
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"At first I saw absolutely nothing. My eyes, wholly unused to the effulgence of light, could not bear the sudden brightness; and I was compelled to close them. When I was able to reopen them, I stood still, far more stupefied than astonished. Not all the wildest effects of imagination could have conjured up such a scene! “The sea—the sea,” I cried."
--Journey to the Center of the Earth - markp93, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12the Lake of Fire, obviously
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13...Why are so many people intent on using incorrect science to disprove this seismologist ?
- yubbob, on 11/05/2007, -1/+13In the world of deep-Earth geophysics, getting water to those kinds of depths is really no big deal. It's happening all the time thanks to subduction zones - slabs basically drag the water down with it, and pressure keeps it there. Some of the water does escape upwards eventually, usually after changing the overlying slab in one way or another. The problem here (and by here, I mean with most of the comments by folks from this point upwards, including all those who actually never read the damn article), is that they think of liquid water like the kind of water you pour into a glass. Liquid water like that only exists at low temperatures (low in terms of geophysics, it's "normal" pressure for us here on the surface). Down there, it's compressed into the pore spaces between minerals. Still, if there's enough of it it can have a pretty remarkable effect on seismic wave attenuation, as described in this article. It's not just a big swimming pool of water down there.
/Yes, I am a geophysicist.
//No, not just from reading and quoting wikipedia. From this cool thing called "graduate school" - banditski, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17So let me get this straight...
When science offers some evidence of your biblical theories, science is correct.
When science refutes your biblical theories, science is incorrect.
Have I got it right? - enicholas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@tom2275: "That's why you're blood would boil if your space ship / space suit lost pressure."
Absurd. True, your blood would boil if exposed to a vacuum -- but as long as it's safely contained inside of your blood vessels, it isn't being exposed to a vacuum. Think about a sealed canister of water: it's not going to suddenly boil due to pressure changes outside of the sealed canister.
While it's certainly true that exposure to hard vacuum is bad for living creatures, virtually everything people claim about it is patently false. If you were suddenly jettisoned into space, you wouldn't instantly freeze. You wouldn't even feel cold, as there is (essentially) no matter there to draw heat away from you, so the only heat loss would be from the comparatively piddly infrared emissions your body gives off. Your blood would not boil, although the lack of external pressure would certainly be bad for your soft tissues. Your eyeballs would not explode.
In fact, at first, nothing much special would happen: aside from the obvious inability to breathe, the only truly weird effect would be the boiling of surface water: the moisture on the surface of your eyeballs and mouth would instantly evaporate. You would also lose consciousness much more quickly than you might expect: on Earth, you are physically incapable of expelling all the air in your lungs, so you can't appreciate what it's like to have *no* oxygen entering your bloodstream. You would (blissfully) lose consciousness before becoming aware of the other things happening to your body due to pressure loss: swelling, loss of nerve function in the extremities, blood pooling in the extremities, and other (mostly minor and reversible) injuries. After two or three minutes, your brain would begin to die due to lack of oxygen.
Given sufficient time, your body would eventually cool to near absolute zero and you'd be a frozen corpse -- but the freezing would only happen long after you died. And again, at no point would your blood boil. - Shivetya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11a flood affecting the known world could have happened before.
this day an age it would take a bit more water as people do know whats over the horizon. - n8r0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Blind Crusted Wizzleteets
- Acadian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Hey, this way when hell freezes over we'll be able to tell.
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12There is already an explanation of the flood story found in many Mesopotamian civilizations. Due to rising sea levels after the last ice age, many areas were flooded, included what is now the Mediterranean sea, which used to be dry land. If there was actually a worldwide flood, then there would be a lot more geological evidence for it, not to mention mass extinctions of all land dwelling animals, despite the "Noah's Ark" story. There is not enough genetic diversity in a single pair of animals to keep the species alive. They would die out within a few years.
- miketrin, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23Pictures or it didn't happen...
- ZennZero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I assume you using Vista speech recognition software?
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all! - displaynone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10River Stix?
- displaynone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I wonder what sorta sea creatures, if any, live down there
- Craga89, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8wtF?
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened"
Waterspouts and torrential rain?
Just because the people who wrote it didn't understand wahts was going on doesn't mean we have to play ignorant. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@tom What is your scientific basis for thinking this is bunk?
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6"graduate school"?
What's the URL of that site? - yubbob, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5@ arpad
First of all, water doesn't only exist at the oceans. It can also come from aquifers, rocks, pore spaces within clays and sands, etc.
Second, just because there isn't water there now doesn't mean there wasn't water there hundreds of millions of years ago when the subduction of that slab began. Some slabs are subducting at mm/year, some less, some more. Now, if they're 400+km below the surface, you're quickly talking about several hundred million years of subduction (400km x 1000 m/km x 1000 mm/m).
Third, there are "new" subduction zones (ie: the ones we see actively subducting now), and "old" subduction zones (the ones where all we can see are the remnants of slabs sitting at 410km, 660km, or even *possibly* on the core mantle boundary (CMB). So it's been happening for a while). - nyx210, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@ banditski: no, when science offers evidence for biblical accounts, then the bible is correct.
when science refutes those biblical accounts, then the bible is still correct.
unfortunately, that's how it works... - banditski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endolith
- yubbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Try subscribing to the journal. Not only will you see the full color figures, but usually you'll get access to supplimental figures too. The whole point of the thumbnails in this article is (1) so you get the journal, and (2) because this was basically taken from a press release.
Plus, usually this kind of data is somewhat proprietary, at least for a while.
www.agu.org - kelbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok, so there's a lot of water in the mantle....
...How do we turn this into a weapon? - skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dugg because I didn't know huge bodies of water existed.
- Craga89, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"and his family"... lawl.
- FFpixel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Just wait for the first post about proof the flood could happen...
- 4ooFdvr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@ miketrin "Pictures or it didn't happen..."
Yeah, like Jesus... - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nerds rock.
- hottyson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So that is where Zion gets it's water!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_(The_Matrix)
"Zion is the last human city on the planet Earth and existed deep underground for both concealment from its enemies as well as warmth." - gunboats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Digg because I knew this guy from when I went to Wash U. He and his family lived in my freshman dorm.
- Craga89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nuhuh, it was actually a geode, which contained diamonds.
"OMGZ!!!1 I never taught Vergil how to fly!!1" - dezpot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4At least he didn't say "Sticks". He got it somewhat close.
- snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Nuh-Uuh!
They never found water in "The Core", just giant diamonds! - listrophy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dugg for "damping" and not "dampening." Oh, and it's pretty nifty, too.
- taswitzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Deep Ones" - HP Lovecraft
- jeradd101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Isn't there a well supported theory that there is some sort of liquid, not necessarily water, deep inside the earth. This theory is seen in every earthquake
Link: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/glossary.php?termID=170&alpha=S - DatoeDakari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2More evidence of the world at the center of the earth...haha jk
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Isn't the earth's mantle too hot for liquid water?
- Chesterfield, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What's with these hopelessly lazy science sites?
I've been to a dozen sites lately that post complex diagrams and images, backing up their articles, but the size of postage stamps. Unreadable data, smudgy, compressed colors and NO links to readable images. I know there's a lack of funding, but this is totally bogus and counterproductive. - skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6A copy of Duke Nukem Forever.
- SgtBeavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think there is an implication here that if the Earth has so much water so far below the crust then it could exist a great depths on Mars and other worlds that otherwise look barren.
We've already seen that bacteria and more complex organisms can exist at extremely hot temperatures from hydrothermal vents (above 400C) It stands to reason that there might just be one more place on every geologically active spherical body in our Solar System and beyond that we'll have to check out before we totally give up on our search for alien life.
Wikipedia on hydrothermal vents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vents#Biological_communities -
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