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- Huskyr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67Direct link: http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago104.html
- Cruelapollo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48Also consider replacing regular dice, with 20-sided dice. This is very important if you wish to survive.
- Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48Where are the condoms?
Anyway, some things to consider adding:
-fishing line
-antibiotic ointment, wound closing strips, bandages
-compass
-water disinfecting pill thingys
-multitool
-sunblock packets
-condoms :) (they make them for storing and treating water too)
-small mirror for signaling - demonotaku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Direct links are love. I'm really sick of all the ***** blog spam on here.
- ziki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21i just carry MacGyver in my trunk..
- YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16What about the shotgun? You know, for zombies?
- TravisG5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17No, it's not "the dumbest thing ever". Although *you* may find it useless, it is important for people who drive on roads where they can be the only car there for days.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18What's dumb, the fact that you went out of your way to waste your time on bashing a story you probably never examined clearly, or that you will most likely take the same approach to everything else in your life?
- viva162, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15This is a very informative, useful list, and I want to digg it. But the presence of blogspam makes me want to bury this into next week. Nothing makes me angrier than going to a site to read a one paragraph summary with a link at the bottom.
The digg community needs to come up with a way to fix this. Maybe a "bury for blogspam" choice, where you can submit the real link instead? if enough people choose it then the original link is changed. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Of all the things to NOT include, he didn't include a knife. Knives are probably the most useful tool ever created by man, and he didn't include one in his survival kit.
- ricksite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15All you need is the OLPC laptop. Then you then could join a mesh network of other stranded people and start a society.
- Zera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11A solution to blogspam like this is simple. Add a bury tag called 'blogspam' and then as soon as an article reaches 50 bury's identifying it as blogspam, a Digg editor would be able to go in, change the Digg submission as necessary to reflect the actual source of the information. That would include changing the link, the title, and the summary, and after which those 'buries' would be removed which would let the story reflect it's actual Digg value. Digg is being undermined currently by these blog-ad-revenue submissions, that contribute nothing, and are merely parasites to the functioning of Digg and Digg users.
And why is this a problem? Because bloggers almost never add any value to the original story. At best they are summarizing (often poorly e.g. lifehack) and possibly they spin the story to suit their website (treehugger, consumerist, etc) and in some cases blogs even inject their own misinformation, or unverifiable statements. This collection of mis information hurts the casual reader because they are just skimming the article. It could be said that these kind of problems are present in all media, but these problems are magnified by blogs.
However, I have a hunch that Digg is WAY ahead of us on this, and that the new Digg revision is coming. - rkhrkh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12None of the advise that he gives is really bad, its just a bit odd. He focuses an awful lot on eating. Your number one concern isn't food or water, its exposure. If you find yourself stranded anywhere in the US, it is really unlikely that you are going to die of thirst and you can forget about starving to death. Cold is a real danger. With that in mind, the most important survival tool that you can keep in your car is probably an old blanket.A candle and matches-in a ziplock bag to keep them dry- are really handy as well. A lit candle can actually raise the interior temperature of a car by several degrees.
Remember-the issue is survival. Surviving, in this context, means avoiding the things most likely to kill you. - MattCruikshank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9So, number one, it's dumb that this isn't a product I can buy.
Number two, if you want to talk survivalism, let's talk about End-Of-The-World survivalism. Like, Mad Max kind of stuff. I'm kind of surprised that there isn't a "How To Restart Civilization, Or At Least Survive Without McDonald's" Wiki some place. It'd be chock-full of useful articles on survivalism (Green Beret, RAF type stuff). Medicine. Articles on purifying water without Wal-Mart's help. How to make gun powder. How to tan leather. How to build a hundred different structures ranging from latrines to water mills. And then, it'd be combined into a nightly Knoppix Live DVD, so it could be run on any laptop on the planet. Anyone who'd want to use it would just need to find *any* laptop, and hopefully they'd already have enough solar panels to keep the laptop running. Either that, or get the thing working on a hand-crank machine like the OLTP was supposed to be (or is it still?) Anyway... Call me paranoid, but I have *zero* survival skills, and it'd be nice to have a guide other than Stephen King's "The Stand."
Because, frankly, we went from Greeks having a freaking steam engine and a mechanical calculator to the Dark Ages. It could happen again. On the off chance that I survive the first 10 days of Armageddon, I'd like to know how to survive the next 10 years, if at all possible. - quomen, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19I wish James Kim had this...
- Paul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thanks for the link, Huskyr. I couldn't even find it in the middle of all those adds. Ugg.
- mookiemookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Remember if you light a candle in your car to crack your windows to keep the carbon monoxide from building up!
- unknownpoltroon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I did this a few years ago, I got paranoid about the fact that I have to drive through a major city to get home, and wanted to make sure I had a few days of supplies. After some thought, I went overboard and made sure I had a couple of weeks of completely independent survival.
7 gallons water(big jug)
1 case MRE
energy bars
change of clothing, sweatshirt.
tent
sleeping bag
string
fishhooks
twine
emergency blankets
compass
leatherman tool
candles
matches
solar/crank powered radio flashlight
regular light
water bottle
water disinfection thingys
First aid kit.
Breath filter mask
Gloves
duct tape
1 bottle Irish whiskey.
Oh, yeah, its overkill and paranoia, but I sleep better. Plus the first aid kit and change of clothes have come in handy. - itsme92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You don't already have your everyday cell phone in your pocket?
- rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Sunblock is such a good idea! However, if you happen to be stranded near some coconuts, you can crack them open and use a paste made out of its flesh as a good sunblock. But what are the odds that you will be stranded there? My luck - I will be stranded in the middle of nowhere in the middle of a sandstorm. :)
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I don't see why anyone is digging augie1969 down. The items he lists are all highly recommended by every Navy survival training school I ever went through. And by him using the terminology "thingys" I would guesstimate that he has been through a couple of them as well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This isn't a survival kit. This is a convenience kit. An air pump to inflate footballs? WTF
If you want a real kit. Get the SAS survival kits here http://www.bcbin.com/Default.aspx?cid=32 - Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Rkhrkh:
Your point is valid, depending on where you live and where you are traveling.
I, for example, live in the Phoenix area, and cold is the least of our problems.
Also, people hike Camelback mountain here (in the middle of the valley-surrounded by homes, businesses, etc) and die of thirst practically every year. Water is the primary key to all survival. Shelter and food coming in a close second. Sex would be nice as well.
I do not discount your points about blankets, however. It can get pretty chilly here at night. And good for sex.
His ideas seem more suited to his personal tastes, and I don't really get the coin and dice concept, but -whatever floats yer boat-. :) - monergism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Suggestion on top of this.
Go to REI (for example) and also get a first aid kit. I went on my last 14 mile hike and after 7 miles found HUGE blisters. Thank God I had the kit with moleskin. - dhulser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@augie
they already have the water pills... - mookiemookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you want to simplify the food buying portion of this, you can get MRE's from most any military surplus website. Many of them even come with their own heaters. They'll last about 3 years in your trunk. A bit less if you live in a hot area.
- greyhacker45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Take it from someone who specializes in this stuff - the author has not included enough to call this a survival kit. I agree with the parachute cord, and assume that the dog tags will eventually be engraved with information. These are both good choices. The microfiber cloth is a good addition as it will dry quickly and doubles as an absorbent compress. Only the duct tape is needed, not the electrical tape. The padlock is useless, and the matches are a bad call in a windy or wet situation. A small butane lighter should be added for these special cases. Two fire starters, perhaps a even a third flint and steel is a good bet. First aid equipment should be added, at least bandages and antiseptic, and it wouldn't hurt to have an emergency blanket (the metallic kind.) A separate light should be added, and a compass is a necessity. A knife is also a life saver in an emergency situation, and can be converted into a keen spear for hunting purposes. Finally, a metal cup would be a good addition, but that would take up an enormous amount of space. If you worked at it, you might actually be able to fit all the components into the cup, and then use a plastic lid to seal the contents from the elements.
Many people make the mistake of not realizing the double uses for things in a survival kit. Sewing thread and a needle can mend pants just as they can close an open wound, or catch a fish.
The dice are perhaps the worst element of the kit. There is an order of priorities in survival (see army survival manual) and decisions are always made with this in mind. No decision should EVER require a random result, and besides, most people won't do what the dice say anyway.
Additional resources:
Altoids tin survival kit - a backpacker or hiker's must have
http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/photogallery/article/0,13355,1225788,00.html
Army survival manual - if your really paranoid, or just want to learn a little more about survival
http://www.equipped.com/fm21-76.htm - Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5thanks bear grylls
- TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That's cool,
But if you know what your doing and just keep your whits about you, you can survive anywhere (well perhaps not the tundra or the desert)
All you really need:
a knife
a supply of water
and most importantly KNOWLEDGE... - Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@packphour
If you're going to post a story, give us a direct link. Leaving it up to a commenter on your story is bad juju, and even if it's a good story (which I think this is) you lose my digg.
Anyway, I think they should have little summary cards of this stuff in all stores that sell camping/travelling gear.. Take one and mark it off as you wander around the shop..
Jimzip :D
edit: Ya beat me to it viva! - sparkysko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wouldn't use the sterno unless you're going to buy the stand. A better solution is to make a supercat stove. Take a small can of cat food, open the top, empty contents, punch holes with a holepunch or whatever around the side down to about halfway down the can. 20 holes or so. Add alcohol (70% or more, denatured or methanol is best, isopropyl works, but it makes your pots black from soot). Light and let burn for about 20 seconds, then you can put your pot/cup/whatever directly on top of this stove to heat up your water. The stove is smaller than a can of sterno, and you can buy the fuel for about 1$ per 16 ounce bottle at most grocery stores.
Here's a good website:
http://zenstoves.net/LowPressure.htm
I carry an alcohol stove inside of a metal 16ounces cup in my glovebox, I then store a bunch of denatured alcohol bottles throughout my car. You should be able to boil 16 ounces of water with 1 ounce of alcohol, so a 16 ounce bottle should boil 2 gallons. That's alot of meals.
I can't really recommend the food items that this guy is listing, if you're going to be boiling water to make your food, you might as well just carry a 50lb bag of rice or beans in your car. The upside of boiling water is that it also sterilizes it. You usually can't buy the iodine water purifiers for less than 5$, they're usually 6$ and above. You don't want to use iodine for a long time either, you can use chlorine tablets instead, which are fine.
Screw MRE's for packing in your car, in many parts of the US, they will go 'bad' (or as bad as MRE's can really get) in about 3 months in the trunk of a hot car. You can buy survival bars which are 3600 calorie bars that are good for 5-10 years or so and they don't much care about being heated or anything. This is what the coast guard recommends for food. They're basically lard and flour.. mmmm, good.
Stormproof matches are awesome (REI), cotton balls with petroleum jelly in them are great firestarters. - Vision2098, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How often do you change the water? (Serious question.)
- drewpost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Because Knowledge is Power ::cue NBC music dum dum dum dum::
- jacuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Where's the cell phone tower? Without a tower to get signal from, a cell phone doesn't do you a whole lot of good. If you've got it and it gets signal... that's great. You might not be in trouble. But if you've got it and you can't get a signal, it's not really a survival item.
- Zero82z, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, actually he did. Look under the "Other Items" section of the first table at the end of the article. It's the seventh item from the top.
- Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@itsme
If you read my post again, you will see that I mention this fact. BTW, Death Valley in California has some seriously extreme hot-cold fluctutions from night to day. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Alright then, I'll just say that I must be blind.
(Along with the >=11 diggers who dugg me up!) - Ozzy73, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The idiot here is you. You did not click on the link from lifehack.org
- rkhrkh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@augie1969:
Yeah-where you are matters. I guess that I should point out that here in upstate NY we've had 8-9 inches of snow in the past couple of days, so cold is on my mind. If I were going through a desert area I would probably have some water in the trunk, rather than the bottle of iodine tablets in the glove compartment-you cant walk 50 yards through the woods around here without finding a stream. But, I still say that, in general, exposure is more likely to kill you than lack of water. - Augie1969, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@rkhrkh:
Looks like wikipedia agrees with ya as well :)
Quote:
In most survival situations, four priorities must be addressed before any other needs are met:
Finding or making shelter is the most important survival priority because it allows a person to stay protected from the elements, and thus hopefully warm and dry.
Humans can live for only about three days without water.
Fire helps to purify water, provide warmth, scare away dangerous animals, and signal to other people.
A human can survive for weeks without food, but hunger impairs judgment and clarity of mind, and makes one weak and susceptible to disease.
These priorities may shift depending on the environment, though shelter is almost always the most important consideration. For example, in a desert environment, water is typically more immediately important than fire, with the priorities (perhaps) reversed in a cold-weather survival situation. - quizzoid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Most kitty litter is made out of clay. Clay, when it becomes wet, becomes slicker than greased goose *****. Therefore, if you get stuck in the snow and put down kitty litter around your tire to get traction, you have precisely half a second before the friction of the spinning tire generates enough heat to melt some of the snow, combine with the kitty litter, and turn into a thin layer of clay-mud.
Tube sand, not kitty litter. They sell it all over the place. About twenty pounds of play sand, in a thin plastic bag/tube.
Repeat after me: tube sand, not kitty litter. Tube sand, not kitty litter. Tube sand, not kitty litter. - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just out of curiosity, is there any rule against carrying a nautical emergency beacon? I know, you're stuck inland, but the signal might be picked up by someone, remember that guy's Toshiba TV was glitchy and was bursting the emergency band? Or, is there a kind of radio (CB, FRS,?) that could be used to transmit with, provided you had power?
Also, if you're out in the middle of nowhere, I remember some old survival show recommended dousing a tire with gasoline and lighting it on fire to create a giant smoke marker. - themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damn blog spam
- villium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2amazing, 450+ digg's and as far as i can tell only a stranded dominatrix would find this kit useful.
- ha3rvey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh yeah, and one of these, too:
http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001619.php - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I always kept a thing of kitty litter, a board or two, and a high-test tow rope in my trunk. If you're stuck in snow or mud, those can be essential to getting out. Although generally that is hopefully used in PLACE of survival gear.. since if you get yourself unstuck, you won't really be needing to reconstitute your rations :)
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's important to be prepared for situations that you might get yourself into. There's no need to be prepared for situations that you won't find yourself in.
If you are going into the backwoods in winter you need a lot of stuff that most people don't need, like warm waterproof clothing, chains for your tires, high energy snack food, etc. It's really common sense. You don't have to drag around a bunch of stuff that will never be useful. Everybody has different needs. Not many people will ever be isolated for more than a few hours. Having enough food to keep you from being hungry for several days is kind of crazy unless you are traveling far from civilization. If you will be out of cell phone range, then you need to be more careful. With a little bit of planning, survival won't be an issue.
Flares are a good thing for just about anybody to carry. If you're driving into an isolated area, a flare gun could be helpful. - Flanker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Uhh...there's nothing in the article about how to get online and post to your blog and then submit your story to digg in order to get help! Buried as inaccurate.
- Amnesia10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is essential. Lets consider the number of times that you may use it. Probably never, but on the one occasion that you do need it it will save your life. Then it becomes the best idea ever.
It is like medical insurance, you hope that you never need it but when you do need it that it will save your life. You could use it when you breakdown and have a long wait. Don't knock it because you are not forward thinking to realize that there could be a use for this in the future. - Vision2098, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Such a wiki would be interesting.
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