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- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -14/+118Ack! I am blinded by the shine coming off of those witty dollar-signs!
- KevyKev, on 10/12/2007, -13/+107You misspelled P$3. ;)
- mechayakuza, on 10/12/2007, -15/+73Good god, can people please use an "S" when saying "MS"? I'm no fan of Microfosft, but seeing "M$" is just so stupid and annoying. Here's a flash bulletin: ALL companies are out to make money! Might as well replace the "S" in every company's name with a "$" just to be consistent.
- 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51But I don't WANT a blue-ray player. Microsoft isn't forcing people to buy an HD-DVD player, they made it an option. Why can't I have the option of buying the Blu-ray as an add-on and get myself a cheaper PS3?
Sounds reasonable to me... - Pogue_Mahone, on 10/12/2007, -9/+55@ slimthps
"IT HAS A ***** BLU-RAY PLAYER IN IT."
Who cares? Show me content. When the content is there, the Blu-Ray players will drop down to $100 at Walmart. Or it will go belly up like Betamax, Laserdisc and other ill-conceived media.
Anyone who buys a 1st gen Blu-Ray player is an idiot with too much money.
"Now bury my comment because you've hopped on the anti-sony bandwagon."
Nah, I'll bury it because its combative and ignorant. :) - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -18/+57just a little tip. Don't use "M$" it makes you looks like a total n00b.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37The cost is too expensive and the Blue Ray DRM 'solution' is just as 'expensive' (in terms of fair use).
I'm sure there is still a new Sony product auto-buy market population still present for Sony to pitch their wares too, but I think they have made some costly mistakes on this one.
Between the E3 market botch-job, and that damn root-kit fiasco, Sony has helped create a growing Wii movement out of formerly Sony die-hard fans. Sony is going to have to work their corporate ass off to get them back (if at all).
Here's a start: The Sony console is $250-$300 USD overpriced in terms of what the base market is willing to ante-up (and no I don't give a ***** about Sony's corporate out of pocket costs). I simply don't buy the 'look what components you're getting' arguement.
Sony needs to slash the price of their console BEFORE the market forces them too. Piss off your fan/market base even more, and it will be WAY too late. - DarkDays, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36Nintendo seemed to have actually thought of the consumers and the gaming industry, while Sony seemed to have just wanted to crush everyone with their super high tech stuff.
That went well, Sony... - Mudhoney, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31"IT HAS A ***** BLU-RAY PLAYER IN IT."
aaahahaha, wow, I really want to spend more than half a grand on a game system because it comes with a currently unused technology that may not even take off in the long run, and has slim to nothing to do with gaming. aaahahah, what a horrible argument for the price of a game system! - Egoist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Wowee! So it can play all of my blu-ray discs! Oh wait, I, nor any other consumer on this planet have blu-ray discs. What a deal!
- fogbog293, on 02/10/2009, -3/+18IT HAS A ***** EIGHT CORE CPU IN IT RUNNING LINUX!
Now there is a legitimate reason to buy the PS3... Come on, no one cares about blu-ray, but I'll plop that thing on my network to help with CPU-intensive tasks anyday. - 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16You DO realize that FFXI is available for the xbox360... right?
http://www.square-enix.com/na/company/press/2006/0419/ - blasphemer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14um... last i checked, i purchased a premium 360 last november for $399 and cores were $299.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I don't think Wii is in competetion with the XBox or PS3. People who like titles like MGS4 or Halo or whatever probably don't care much for Mario and Tennis.
Wii is an excelllent console, just aimed at a different market. Personally, if I get the Wii, would need an XBox or PS3 for the kinds of games I enjoy. - gaberowe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I've been thinking a lot about Sony's standpoint here, because they must have seen those charts that show that really expensive consoles fade into oblivion.. well, this is my best stab at it: They are thinking this, "People want Blu-Ray, and honestly, look at how great of a deal we are giving them--a great deal on this awesome player!!" Well, News-Flash to Sony--apparently nobody knows why they should want a Blu-Ray drive yet... until you make it obvious to all of us, a great deal on something people have no use for is as good as a sale on hair brushes made out of a polymer invented by NASA... super expensive, but what's the use of it? Most business types will say, "ah, the age old reason for good marketing", but the problem is, the main thing Blu-Ray has is simply higher storage density than before. Until it becomes obvious that HD-DVD is not as good as Blu-Ray for some reason, then people will just stare at sony like an arrogant prick with his fly down and he doesn't realize it... you want to tell him, but he did it too himself, and you kind of want to watch people quietly snicker at him... sony is being really arrogant in this case about the PS3, and I think people are ready to watch them burn...
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14This is actually a good article by an Apple enthusiast who surprised himself by loving the Xbox 360. I expect it to hit the front page...it's not Spam (or Sony's viewpoint).
- nomad111, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20To be fair, nothing can be conquered before it has even happened. After all systems have been out to see annual sales, then one could say which has been conquered.
- se1zure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"all i want is a console, so ill be getting a wii"
Thats exactely what i'm saying... If all you want is a console, then the ps3 is too expensive for a console.... In general, the ps3 is very fairly priced. - SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Has everyone forgotten how expensive the 360 was when it first came out? It was just as much."
No, the Xbox 360 is $399. The PS3 is $599. Why would someone want to pay $200 more for a game console when all the best games like GTA IV, Assasin's Creed, and EA titles are going to be cross platform? And only a fool would believe Sony is really going to deliver a decent competitor to Xbox Live. - furtwan1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11um...the xbox 360 was the same price "when it came out" as it is now. Yep, $200 cheaper than the PS3.
Your argument is flawed because you dont know what you're talking about. - yensed, on 10/12/2007, -15/+24Look at the specs of the PS3. A $600 price tag is Nothing! And that $600 systm is going to be the Sony console for at least 8-10 years. As for all the problems, You try to build a console out of New Hardware(And weird combos of hardware) without having any flaws. The only reason the Wii seems so perfect and flawless is because Nintendo was very secretive about the progress. We never heard about any of the flaws of the Wii.
- nomad111, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I agree. People think that Sony is greedy and charging a lot of money for huge profits, when the case is they made an expensive console. When all systems have been out and in our homes, then I think fair comparisons can be made. But holding up Sony Flags or Wii flags for victory or defeat now is very premature.
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Keep in mind prices will fall drastically after a few months"
First of all, the PS2 was $299 when it launched. Secondly, the price didn't drop until *2* years later. - ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"because the ps3 is using blu-ray discs for its games. therefore, it needs a blu-ray drive."
You forget that Sony are forcing developers to use blu-ray discs. They aren't choosing this media themselves, as they don't need it. - anillop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12By putting a blue-ray player in their device this is Sony's way trying to force people to adopt the standard. Unfortunately this also dramatically increases the price. Sure you get extra capacity for larger games but that capacity is needed for the majority of the games that will be coming out. It is just Sony yet again trying to make people adopt their version of technology.
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Being a Nintendo fan, I take a little satisfaction in the recent fad of Sony hating. In 2005 they proved how little they care about the customer with their backend-installing audio CDs, and they've now shown us their lack of vision in next-gen consoles.
To contrast, Nintendo is releasing the new Zelda on the Wii AND Gamecube, simply because they promised their customers that the new game would be available on GC. Show your customers love, and they will love you in return. - SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9PS3 Launch Titles:
Warhawk
Genji 2
Motorstorm
Resistance: Fall of Man
Lair Order
NBA 07
Source: http://digg.com/gaming/Playstation_3_Release_Date_Launch_List_ - Sell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think the Japanese gaming community is and has been over rated for too long. For quite some time much of the world gaming community has looked to Japan for direction given their "hardcore" attitude about gaming but I am starting to view them (the Japanese gaming community) as fickle but also reeking of fanboyism. The only (I use only lightly) games they're into now are FF and whatever Asian eccentric game comes out next on the DS. In this article readers clearly vote that the PS3 is too expensive but what is the number one game they are looking forward too? FFXIII!!!! So while yes, the PS3 is WAYYY overpriced they are more then happy to pay for it. And why? For a handfull of decent games? or is it blind devotion to the almighty SONY? I believe blind devotion, also known as fanboyism, is a large part of it. In the western world fanboyism is ridiculed but in the Land of the Rising Sun I think it's a sought after state of mind, like you're enlighted if you understand that FF is and always will be the greatest game franchise ever in the world for life always and never say or think differently. Oddly though on the flipside I see them as quite fickle. They have a very loopsided console purchase history. While many other gaming markets have a healthy mix of all consoles available the Japanese pick one. Yes there are more PS2's in homes worldwide but where as in America many households also have or have had PS2's, X-Box's, and Gamecubes they lean 70% or more towards just one console and this past generation it was the PS2. Little diversity in that community. I don;t have more time to continue more point but maybe some out there feel the same. Case in point, the Japanese gaming community is not and does not represent the entire worldwide gaming community which I think has and is developing a more enlightened view of the industry and art of video gaming.
- asskey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It'll need Dragon Quest too.
But if Square ports over FF they'll probably port that too.
On another topic entirely, here is a little rant.
I use to love Sony.
I have been dying to get a PSP, and still might, depending on the modding situation. However, now I have gone from dying to get a PSP to knowing I am getting a DS Lite as soon as it comes out.
If I have gone from buying all Sony to buying Nintendo first, then Sony as an afterthought, and well, let's just say I'm a strong willed person, then if I have gotten to this point, countless others have reached this point before me.
This might be it for (it hurts to say this) $ony.
Wii will bury you.
I have to go mourn. - EvlD99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thats funny b/c I got my 360 premium for $400 in November. I don't know where you are getting your pricing information from.... but its wrong.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Love the analogy about the zipper. But you're absolutely right. With the way Sony has carried itself in the past year or decade or so, I'm hesitant to ever buy another product from them again. Right now, I'm looking at Samsung TVs, Apple iPods, HD-DVD, etc. But I've been burned just a few too many times by Sony. They turned their back on the PS2 laser debacle, they totally have not pushed software support for the PSP, and, frankly, I hope they're crushed under the weight of their own ego.
Well, them and Bono, anyway. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why is badbox modded up? His numbers are entirely made up! Sure, the PS3 is a great deal if you compare it to "pulled it out of my ass" pricing.
- dracula7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8""too expensive for a console, but not too expensive for what it actually has"
all i want is a console, so ill be getting a wii - dracula7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6sony is being greedy in the respect theyre sacrificing SO much ( including user experience ) for the sake of bluray. the players are going to retail for around 1,000 without all of the ps3 specifications... that said,,they should not be charging 4 things the customer does not want or need.
hdtv should be a user choice,,and when a small percent of the product's demographic can actually make use of this technology - its a bad choice. - Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5a few things:
2x BD has half the adverage read speed of a 12xDvD reader
the cell is NOT 10x harder. at most its 20% harder.
maybe not even that when you consiter that you are not programming for each individual processor, you are treating the Cell processor as ONE WHOLE PROCESSOR that can take more advanced tasks and accomplish them in one cycle.
is it more powerful than 3x CPU's? maybe, depends on how it is used, but quite honestly, the cell was not designed for games, it was designed for basicly everything else BUT gaming. - nooreazy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6the PlayStation 3 is NOT a gaming console that's what Sony says.Its more like a computer with blu-ray(witch people say they don't want/need) 20GIG HDD or 60 if you prefer.Plus the cell processor .so please will every one stop comparing PS3 With a Gaming console?!
- Yutuke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yes, yes. It's super expensive, Sony shot themselves in the foot, blah blah blah.
You don't have to buy one when it comes out anyways. Costs are definitely going to be high to produce the initial batch. Besides, you think you are going to get the big triple-A titles at launch? Doubtful. You can justify the price of the console when your favorite game comes out whether it be the MGS4, GT-HD or the next Final Fantasy. - furtwan1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Thats complete BS. They didn't give a ***** what gamers wanted. Gamers do not want blu-ray. Blu-ray is slow (yes load times on Blu-ray 2x is considerably slower than 12DVD). They are pushing their crappy format so they can make royalties at the expense of games. Games dont want Cell processesor that make it 10x harder to make games, gamers want games not movies, not high-tech crap, just games.
- se1zure, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7What people need to do is not say one more word about how good or bad the ps3 or wii is.
No one has played a wii (those were modified gamecubes at e3)
and No one has played a full fledged ps3 game.
You people are comparing what your imaging as the experience you will have. YOu can only really talk good and bad about the 360... it's the only one thats out.
Please quit talking about how fun the wii is, unless you have played it. (Oh, and by the way, dont bring up things like the photos and videos and how fun they look, because they are all horribly, and obviously faked by nintendo).
The only opinion I have towards the wii is that I know, as somone who games for hours on end, that My are will get extremely tired, and all I want at times, is a laid back gaming experience. - ghettoiam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5To people in this thread who are commenting that no one wants Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. well... HD-DVD players sold out:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/042006hddvd/
Granted it wasn't a big launch (15,000), but these units were crippled (1080i/720p output) and that wasn't enough to deter the sell out. Once you have an HD tv, you'll want HD movies. Check Amazon.com Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies are $20-$29; completely reasonable. And as more people have the sets, the hd player market is going to continue to grow.
And what's more, Audio/Video people are very excited at the idea of the PS3+HDMI+1080p+Blu-Ray=$600. Just check the largest audio/visual forum online (avsforum.com). So if those people adopt the PS3 and start buying Blu-Ray movies, Sony will be well on their way to winning the HD format war.
Many of the users of these forums haven't bought into HD-DVD yet due to the players not supporting 1080p output (yet!) and when they do this fall, they seem (and I think rather smartly) to be more inclined to spend $600 on a PS3 than $500-$600 on an HD-DVD player.
And no, the Xbox 360 with its component 720p output and add-on isn't getting the early adopters in the forum excited for the same reason that the current crop of HD-DVD players are not getting them excited. - oboreruhito, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Guitar and a year's worth of lessons: $250 or less
Feeding someone who makes $2/day for a year: $250 or less
Tuition for one semester of a three-hour college class: $250 or less at many institutions
SLR camera: $400
2 decent-quality mics, mix board, multitrack recorder: $500
DVD camcorder: $500
Fostering creativity: Priceless.
For video games, there's the SNES. For everything else, there's getting the ***** outside and creating something. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5People should stop whining about the PS3 costing so much. It's been known for ages that it costs much more to make then retail. They're actually loosing money ;)
- antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I feel bad for Sony. All they did was answer the call of what the gamers wanted. Granted, that call turned out to be quite expensive.
Now Nintendo hit it out of the park: lower the specs = lower the cost. Make great games and what you are left with is money in the bank (for both Nintendo and the buyers).
Good job. - nullmind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think Nintendo just has a better way of ensuring they make a profit without screwing over their customers. The high cost of systems from Sony isn't something new.
The PS1 was originally a bit overpriced because of CD-ROM technology (as weird as it may sound). The PS2 was decently priced, but it being a DVD player made it more expensive than it should have been, although it was a good move because the content in games was easily going over 700Mb. The PSP has it's completely failing UMD format that nobody wants.
I don't know how impressive Blu-Ray is, and I really don't care. I don't fill DVD-R discs up with my own personal movies, and I find the quality of DVD movies to easy match my NON-HD systems. - digiteyes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Im waiting for the day when ppl are going to realize that talking about how expensive the system is isnt going to make it any cheaper. I dont see what all this bruhaha is about. Can't we just wait to see how these new systems (Wii and PS3) fare before we start jumping to conclusions. All these articles about numbers and what not are irrelevant.. the PS2 initially had bad numbers but look how many units its sold so far.. Consumers are generally fickle minded it only takes some added feature to change their minds.. I say we wait till november and then begin the console war bashing
- Xevallah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Even at $600, Sony is selling this console at a considerable loss. Some $300 per console if some estimates are right. The Wii is cheap because it's using standard current generation hardware. The PS3 has a Cell processor and Blu-Ray, both of which being new technologies.
"I can build a top end gaming rig for that" No you can't. The PS3 is the cost of a top of the line video card. Alone. 5-600 isn't "too expensive" from that perspective. Also take into consideration most people can just get the $500 version since their TVs probably don't have HDMI to begin with.
The Wii and the PS3 are two completely different products and will survive independent of one another. The only competition here is between the 360 and the PS3. The PS3 has the Japanese developer support (for various reasons). That pretty much seals its fate is winning over the 360.
The Wii is just riding a wave of hype after E3 by people just now grasping the general concept but completely ignorant of its drawbacks. - graywolf323, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7...wait until next year to see which one sells better, polls truly mean nothing
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The masive over-reporting of the PS3 price as being $600 is actually going to give the PS3 a bit of a boost - when people simialr to those that have been polled here see the launch price of $500 as a base, they are going to think Sony lowered the price and be more likley to buy as a result.
It's still a pretty expensive console, I'd say now it comes down to game seelction at launch, and deisre of people to have a Blu-Ray player. For me it still seems worthwhile (that and a Wii). - brownspank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ok, we all get it, PS3 is expensive. Do we really need more articles that say so?
- ShadowMarth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wrongo. If you get the premium package of the 360, it comes with the $100 hard drive. Regardless, whatever value you give the bluray, it's largely possible that the format fails against the HD-DVD, and even if it doesn't, it's still far too much to pay for a drive that will be under $50 in under two years.
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