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- sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -22/+61It may be business, but charging a big price for something that otherwise has made you zero revenue in the past 10 years is ridiculous. I own a Wii, and I enjoy playing it and can't wait for new games to be released, but I think the prices for VC games are borderline extortion.
I knew this was going to happen with the VC, Nintendo decides to just sell all the oldies at an inflated price just to bide time in order for future title development. Personally, I think it's a load of *****, you shouldn't have to pay $5-$10 for a game which is NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION and offers nothing else to public besides being able to play the game with a different controller.
It's just greed. Nintendo could get away with selling every single game they've ever produced for under $5 and still rake in the cash. Honestly, how much money do you think goes in to offering these games on their service? The hard part (the actual game code) has already been done, all they need to do is re-map a few keys, host the games, set up a storefront, and profit.
I'll stick with playing my emulated games on my PC, paying a whopping price of $0 per title. - sam10685, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38it's called business. that's generally- not always- what you do when you have something you know everyone wants.
- NipGrip, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31You mean popular demand is pushing pricing up? What is this crazy form of capitalism and when did it appear!?
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39You guys are missing the point. It doesnt matter that they haven't sold a copy of X game in X amount of years. Or that it costs them nothing to offer it. The fact is, they are good games and people are still willing to play them and pay for them over and over again. Should all the dealerships just give away their older model cars? Or for that matter, should an old Taurus cost the same as an old Lexus?
Nintendo just so happens to be in the business of producing and distributing software. Businesses exist to make money and they are going to charge what people are willing to pay. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If demand is low enough then they will have to drop prices but don't hold your breath. - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27exactly, Nintendo isn't forcing it down any body's throats. For example, I have been eying Sonic the Hedgehog and Ristar on the VC for a while. Since I never owned a Genesis, I've never actually played through an old Sonic game, and Ristar has gotten great reviews. I was a little weary of spending 1600 Wii points for these two games, so instead I looked around at other options. I ended up buying the Sonic Mega Collection on ebay for $11 shipped. It comes with
Ristar (800 wii points)
Dr Robotnicks Mean Bean Machine (800 wii points)
Sonic 1 (800 wii points)
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic 2 & Knuckles
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic Spinball
Sonic 3D Blast
Blue Spheres
Flicky
So I got $24 worth of VC games plus a horde of games on top of that for only $11
Nintendo isn't knocking on my door demanding a payout. If you think you can get OOT for cheaper, then help yourself. - Silentshadow900, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24It's true. Don't downvote him.
Luckily for me, I have this game for free on my gamecube.
Twice. - a0me, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25First, it's 1200 Wii points, in JAPAN. We don't know if it'll be that
much in other territories yet.
Second, if you already own a copy of the original game and
a working N64 (or the GameCube version and a working
GameCube) and you don't care for the convenience of playing
all your games on one system (the Wii), then the VC version of
the game is clearly not for you. You've just saved 1200 Wii points,
hurray!
Now, if you're relatively new to video games or you never owned a
Nintendo system until now, 1200 Wii points would be pretty cheap
for one of the best video games ever (check out the reviews). - Edrick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Then don't, and play the 4 other versions you already have. Nintendo isn't forcing you to throw out your other versions and to buy this one for twelve bucks.
You know, there are some people out there who have never owned OoT and may like to try it. Twelve dollars for such a large game is a great deal. - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I dont own a 64. Now your telling me that (Arguably) the best game that ever came out for it is 12 bucks? I'm on board.
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17They can if someone walks onto the lot and wants to pay that price.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+32Nintendo wants even more money it seems and since they own the zelda franchise it is a pure pofit for them. They know people want it, so they jack up the price.
- Jrr6415sun, on 10/12/2007, -16/+301) it's almost 10 years old
2) there is NOTHING added to the game
3) Once I download it, I can only play it on that Wii.
4) I have to spend $20 to get it if I don't want to buy anything else.. what??
$5 for a NES game and $10 for an N64 game is already ridiculous
It doesn't matter if it's a good game or not.
Yes it's capitalism and they can do what they want.. but it's like charging $5 for a drink at an amusement park.. people buy it, but they know the company is just being greedy and unreasonable. - sfackler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@GawtMilk
$5-10 is NOT the original price of an N64 game, moron. - etnu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Like horse armor?
- etnu, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20There is virtually no cost to replicate copies of software (download time and server resources, probably less than 1 cent per copy), and the initial development costs have long since been taken care of. Automobiles have actual physical materials with value making them up -- you can replicate copies of software, infinitely, for no cost. There's a world of difference.
Nintendo is charging exactly what they've determined the most profitable price point is, no more and no less. - teethman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+121200 wii points in Japan. That doesnt mean we will have that price. Link to the Past was also above the standard price in Japan, but it is still only 800 wii points here like every other SNES rom.
- kavery, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12For those who have never played it, OoT is worth $12. It's only one of the greatest games ever made.
- gk128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Luckily I have a copy of OoT/Master Quest for Gamecube.
- Javitud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Jesus christ. Took long enough for someone to mention this. Buried as inaccurate.
- DrakeTheRedEye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Off Topic: Mario Kart 64 & 3 Genesis games to be released on Mon. Jan 29th. (according to Wiki)
- Peynis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7they're called "dumps"...
a "dumb" is what you are - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10So you were dumb enough to buy the game 3 extra times but now are whining when you have the chance to buy it a fourth?
- IronTek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Diggtatorship:
Great call!
I just found a copy on ebay for $0.50 plus $3.99 shipping!
I had been thinking about buying Sonic. No need now!
Thanks for the idea! I had forgotten entirely that SEGA released that set on the gamecube. - Jdban, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Good think I got the Promo Gamecube Disk that has Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Zelda II, and Zelda 1. All for free.
- clempka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Even still, IF you chose to pay for it, you'd be paying for a copy that is:
A) Not broken
B) Not buggy
C) Legal
D) Hi Res (Assuming they keep the resolution from the GC port, and it looks like they will considering how SM64 turned out)
If that's not worth $12 to you, then don't buy it. That's all we're saying. If you want to complain about it, the best way to, is with your wallet.
However, I bet there's more than enough people willing to pay $12, and that you'll be outvoted by a large amount. If not, then Nintendo will probably lower the price, as someone said earlier. - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"Nintendo is charging exactly what they've determined the most profitable price point is, no more and no less."
Exactly! so why is everyone bitching about it? If you think its worth $12 then buy it, if not, then DONT! After all, if its not worth $12 then you should be able to get it for cheaper somewhere else right? - Bartboy919, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@SilentShadow
Same here buddy, Best part is I got Majora's Mask, OoT and OoT Master quest for free. - dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Geez, don't be so harsh. For the majority of people who are buying a Wii because they haven't owned a consoles since the SNES, or completely skipped the N64 in favor of a PSOne, $12 for Zelda ain't so bad, especially when it originally came out for $59.99! And it's Players Choice price was $40!!!
Do realize that not only rabid Nintendo fanboys have bought a Wii. Casual gamers may have never heard of the N64, and these are the games they would be willing to pay to play since they didn't get to 10 years ago....
Virtual Console is all about value. Sure, YOU may have played the game 10 times to death, but the general public hasn't. And since we all know damn well it's a good game, price should be appropriate. Otherwise, like someone else said, no one really expects an old Taurus to sell the same as an old Lexus. - airencracken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I also wonder if this particular game is going to have rumble support. Since it plays a large role in the game.
- Veurruckte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@undersky
You're wrong.
¥1200 = 1200 points.
1200 Japanese yen = 9.87816925 U.S. dollars.
So, 1200 Japan Wii Points = ~990 US Wii Points.
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Console_(Wii) , http://tinyurl.com/22qq7h - Zachari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love how everyone is up in arms over this. If you have it, go play it on your N64. Maybe, just maybe, some people love the game enough to buy it again. Have you tried to buy Earthbound for the SNES lately? Prices are astronomical! 25 dollars for just the cartridge, and that's in "OK Condition". Yet, VC owners will get it for 10 dollars.
- DoTheFandango, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The only reason they are decently priced is because they are unreasonable purchases. The only way PS360 can get away with those absurd micropurchases is by charging a few bucks with them. I'm so glad you guys can buy your extra levels on Madden!!!
I understand that not everyone is going to love OoT and want to pay for it. Don't bitch about the price if you weren't going to play it in the first place. - etnu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10The laws of supply and demand don't apply when you have infinite supply.
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6someone who doesn't own one of those copies.
- VitaminK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4We got Mario Kart 64 here last friday :D No Genesis games though
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You assume that the emulation is simple and without issues, but I think you'd be surprised. Having access to full technical specs and code for the original hardware doesnt guarantee perfect emulation. There's still a lof of work that goes into it, which I suspect will be the reason that we wont see some of the FX chip games coming out right from the start.
Also, this isn't like any other emulation since they have to be sure that every single minute detail of the game runs perfectly and at full speed. There's no way they're getting away with a "mostly-functional" emulation, or just "frame-skip it to make it run right", or "the sound is pretty good". Again, I think you'd be surprised at how much Q & A goes into the VC releases. - Peynis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4why did you post that like three times?
- dizzledaking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5These games are still available on ebay. Feel free to hunt them down and "try them out" if you disagree with the current pricing structure. Nintendo currently owns the rights to these products, thus can charge however much they please for them. The way I look at it is this: they didn't have to release their old games. They are not upgrades to the core product, and they are not features that are already on your core that are unlocked via the purchase.
- JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd consider getting it if it came with the Master Quest. Otherwise, my N64 is right next to my Wii...
- dizzledaking, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Oh man, you're just as annoying in every thread you post in dooce. Your examples are classic examples of the strawman logical fallacy; that is, you set up something completely different than what the discussion pertains to, then attack it, thereby giving the impression that your opinion is right. The only problem is your diatribes against soft drinks (seriously, why do you hate soft drinks so much?) have nothing to do with Apple or Nintendo. Each argument is based on principle, not absolute price.
How old are you anyway? Why do you keep championing corporations? - reed311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I bought Ocarina of Time at EbGames for $5 last year. Bear in mind, this was an original copy. The VC games that they sell are merely dumps in which they have an unlimited supply of.
- Flummoxer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Err... I don't know about you, but I don't rely on milk to get to school/work.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -1/+4@mem2
The real "cost" of the game to Nintendo is in how much of your gameplaying time will be taken up by this VC title. Most gamers have a finite amount of gaming time. The game makers try to sell you their products to fill that time. In reality, people tend not to buy more games than they have time to play. It only stands to reason if you play a VC title, especially a fairly long one like OoT, it will take up a decent slice of your gaming time. That's time you might have used on another Wii purchase. Thus, it does have an impact on their sales. If they were to just release all the N64 titles once a week for free or next to nothing, it could actually cost them money in potential lost revenue.
So, when you claim it makes absolutely no sense because (supposedly) it cost Nintendo near nothing to make VC games available on the Wii, keep that in mind. - VitaminK, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Given that they already recycled it onto the Wind Waker bonus disc I think 1200 points is a bit steep, since the only advantage would be using the classic controller (and possibly sharper graphics)
- reed311, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I have a Wii and love it. I didn't buy it for the Virtual Console, but I do like the idea of it. However, I think Nintendo has done a "bait and switch" with the VC. Very few classics have been released, in favor of some pretty crappy games that nobody wants. I understand they can't release them all at once, but enough with the crappy nes games.
A game that is as old as Ocarina of time is not worth $12 (even though its great). You can practically buy a new N64 for that price. These classics should cost between 1-5 dollars each, that is a fair market value. - Shipley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think the problem is that one of the best games ever made is going to cost 2 dollars more.
the problem is that bad game on VC still cost regular price. Urban Champion should be sitting in a virtual bargain bin. I also think shorter and less prestigious games should be lower priced. - Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Doesn't matter. The price of a product is proportional to the demand for that product - regardless of what it costs to produce said product.
- Trel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Burried as inaccurate. The Japanese prices of games currently on the VC in both regions vary by up to 200 points (Japan's higher) so following that, there's a good chance it will be 1000 points as normal.
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Damn, you scored a great deal there. I admit, I'm jealous :)
- Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4is it really that bad? gamecrazy wanted $25 for the original OoT when they had it last year. if $12 is too much then don't buy it.
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