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- TheXeno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32All hail competition. Wanna know the true winner of the console wars? Us.
- elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14they got rid of inflation back then? sweet fancy moses!
- lordkosc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"Do you realize how long the PS2 has been out compared to the 360?"
He meant to say :
"Do you realize how long the PS2 has been out, compared to the 360?"
Easily solved by the use of a comma. Maybe if you knew sentence structure and punctuation, you wouldn't be picking on someone else for so simple of a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes, no point in making a issue of it. - fatalfury, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Can't say i'm surprised to hear this. I hate to say this, but I think Sony screwed up big time on this one. The reason PS2 was so successful in my mind, because it was relatively cheap and appealing to your average gamer. PS3 may have great hardware, but will only attract hardcore gamers/playstation fans.
- kirashira, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11PS2 launched at 300 US dollars back when the US dollar was still strong plus there wasn't inflation...
- knaps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well said. I'm really sick of hearing fanboys trump one system over the other. Nobody is forcing them to buy it or play it, so they're just spamming mindless babble about one's specs over the other, pretending to be helpful civilians when the reality of it is their just feeding their own ego and group-prejudices.
The beauty of it all is that we as consumers can choose whatever the hell we want.
Boo, pointless console flames!
Hooray choice! - deuceswilde, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Say something productive or don't say anything at all.
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'd have to believe that the original Xbox was only put out there so Microsoft could get their foot in the door in preparation for the next gen (360) console "war." The Xbox has some pretty kick ass games, but not as many as the PS2. I don't think Microsoft had any delusions of unseating the PS2.
- elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6he means that on a monthly basis the ps2 is outselling the 360, not in total
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Explain how a 1-year lead gave the PS2 69% market share over a 5-year period and maybe I'll believe the Xbox was a competitor.
- yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5not really, if you bought Nintendo you got very little gaming for your initial purchase
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Umm last i checked microsoft did fairly well in that generation, especially as its debut console."
Yeah, but the PS2 still dominates that generation, now doesn't it? I never said the original Xbox didn't do well, I just said it never compared to the PS2. The PS2 had been out too long, had way too much of a fan base, and too many titles for it (especially when you add in the PS1 games). If the PS2 and the Xbox both came out at the same time, things probably would be different. I'd still give the PS2 the slight edge, though.
I apologize if I'm bursting the bubble of any Xbox fanboy here. If makes you feel any better, I almost bought the 360 this past weekend, but I'm graduating college in December and I can't afford to drop a good chunk of money on entertainment. - PFS1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Agreed. Some people spend a lot of time taking sides and saying that all the other sides suck, but it's time to put that aside and realize that just because you like one system (and are quite happy with it) that that doens't mean the other ones suck.
With the evened out competition and actual differentiation for each platform (Wii: something fun, different, group oriented, 360: solid online, good media integration, PS3: great backwards compatible library, linux will be fun), we are headed toward a golden age of gaming. - skywake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't really care... pit the 360 and PS3 against each other... the Wii is a completely different beast. You can fight all you want over who is better but I don't really care and nor should you. I will buy what I think is best and everyone else will buy what they think is best.
I am only hoping the Wii will do well for my sake i.e. better sales results in more games. other then that I couldn't give a sh!t who will win. But I am predicting a Wii & 360 market.... Sony doesn't deserve to do well after so many mistakes. (even without said mistakes I still like the Wii from my perspective) - elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5he was just making sure everyone knows he speaks english gooder
- elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4failed at maintaining dominance over 3 generations, not "failed"
I wouldn't have an 8-bit mario tattoo on my arm if they failed - nerdofnerds, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I hope I can get a job stating the obvious...
- Microdot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9"there has never been a console maker in history to retain dominance over 3 generations. it's sony's turn to go down"
in all of its.... what? 30 years now? yeah... thats a real standard. here... lets do it this way: since sony has gotten into game consoles... its been the #1 console, year after year. like it your way better?
"Do you realize how long the PS2 has been out compared to the 360?"
out compared? not sure which language you speak natively, but i have no idea what you are attempting to say. but as mentioned... the ps2 has out sold the 360 month after month after month. yes... thats right... the 6 year old system is kicking the new shiny in the virtual scrotum. and has been. for a while. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4He also ignores the DVD. I think Sony backed the right horse on that one, too.
- Pokez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9"it was too late for Microsoft for that console generation."
Umm last i checked microsoft did fairly well in that generation, especially as its debut console. - deuceswilde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't really think any console at this point will be the undisputed victor in this generation. the 360 and the PS3 appeal to more hardcore gamers and a portion of normal consumers whereas the Wii could tap a completely new segment of the market and will still appeal to a portion of the gamer market but I think the end result will be a somewhat even spread among the consoles since they all offer something different.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Explain how a 1-year lead gave the PS2 69% market share over a 5-year period and maybe I'll believe the Xbox was a competitor."
You seem to forget about the existing library of PS1 games.
Without those the PS2 would have fared totally differently. Now thats not to say that it wouldn't have been successful on its own, just that its something you have to be aware of before you make yourself look like a total sony-fantard! - elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you forgot CDs. Sony got a pretty big win with that one... but then again that cancels out the fact that you forgot SACDs
- Allanon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Disregard my previous post, after reading again I realized you were talking about selling more consoles and not more games.
- oxide7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i think the ps3 will do much better than this paper is saying. the thing is everyone has a ps1 or ps2 and they have a ton of good titles already... the good thing about the ps3 is that you can still play those old games. it was what made the ps2 such a compelling upgrade to the ps1: that you can have next gen gaming w/o trashing your old investment, or having a ton of systems plugged in at once. yes, there was an annoucnement that 200 old games wont work, but they'll patch that up real quick.
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nintendo will go down as the best handheld company. I don't think anything can ever beat what they've done since the Gameboy first hit the shelves.
- vwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Atari and Nintendo failed...?
You obviously didn't grow up in the 80's - elbeano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yes, but they didn't create it and as a result they lost 10 bucks per ps2 to licensing. that's one major reason for them creating blu-ray. since they sold over 100 million playstations, they lost over a billion dollars to having the ps2 play dvd's out of the box.
microsoft was smart by requiring the remote for dvd playback so they could cover the dvd license with the cost of the remote - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"there has never been a console maker in history to retain dominance over 3 generations. it's sony's turn to go down"
Well, given the history of console gaming, I'm not too surprised. - saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2PS3 - The first major system that has come out since I have had a well paying job that I have no plans to buy whatsoever. The only game I have seen that is exclusive that I care about would be the Gundam one. Thankfully, there is One Year War for the 360 comming out.
Wii - Preordered and have an all day Wii-day party planned.
Hopefully there really will be more than enough stock to choke out all the eBay resellers. There has to be a good way to fix capitalism on all of these launches/shortages. I mean, what percentage of 360's ended up on eBay? 50%+?
With the reports of major ganking for re-resale in Japan with the PS3, things don't look good. - Zap2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I don't think the PS3 ever had a chance(to keep PS2's market share)...with a 500/600 price point, it takes it out of TO many people price range. The PS3 may end up being fun...but it won't sell like the PS2.
- lordkosc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Comparing the PS2 to Xbox 360 sales is retarded... The PS2 is 129.99, the xbox is 399.99 (for the good one), an better comparison will be PS3 sales to Xbox 360 Sales starting next month when there are 31 total days to compare sales figures. And it still won't be accurate as the PS3 will not have enough supply to meet demand.... I mean come one 500k total units?!?! There are more than 500k people in Japan alone that want one.... Yet alone the world...
A true and unbiased comparison of sales will only be possible sometime next year when the PS3 can actually be found in stores on the shelf. - Guard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess PS2 has won the next-gen war then.
- Allanon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3" the ps2 has out sold the 360 month after month after month. yes... thats right... the 6 year old system is kicking the new shiny in the virtual scrotum. and has been. for a while."
Is that per capita? Because the PS2 has had a 5 year head start and does have a lot more users than the XBox 360. It would make sense that more people are buying PS2 games than XBox 360 games because there are more PS2 users. - vwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This is a good example of big companies taking advantage of flat out dumb people.
Step 1: Release a new format for videos...call it "Blue Ray"
Step 2: Charge $1000.00 for a player to play these "Blue Ray" movies
Step 3: Release a new gaming system...call it "PS3"
Step 4: Make the consumer think they are saving money by buying a "PS3" and push sales of the "Blue Ray"
Step 5: Sony makes money hand over fist - Kamiusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ps2's continue to sell for another reason I myself have had 2 of them. One broke so I went out and got another. On that note I know of at least 4 of my immediate friends who have replaced or bought the smaller version. Not to mention all the people I know that own more than 1 in their house one in the bedroom one in the living room. Look at it this way most people who have had their Ps2's for a while have enough software that replacing the hardware just makes sense.
Now to the Wii I think they should do pretty well this season they will have quite a few units available and there is the pricing factor. Think about what parents are gonna say when they go christmas shoping and little Erics list has a $600 dollar Ps3 which most like isn't in stock. That's just a recipe to sell more Wii's and Xbox 360's. Even if there were enough Ps3's available there would parents that just couldn't shell out $600 plus a couple of games at 60+ each extra controllers ect... As much as we would like to pretend it's not true, 13 year old kids have alot to do with systems being sold. I don't think my little brother has a friend that doesn't own a Ps2. However, with the Ps3 being priced as it is and limited availablility this christmas can really make for a huge movement of the competitors consoles. - markingtime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The PS2 is $129 why do you think its selling more?
some people need to use their brains - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, saving room is only a bonus. It's the whole cost thing and convenience. Do you know how much easier it is to travel with something the size of the original PS2 (and now the slim version)? Even something the size of the 360 (which is smaller than the original Xbox) is a lot easier to pack than a DVD player, CD player, and then some random video game system
- Nerevar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"The more you tighten your grip, Sony, the more systems will slip through your fingers."
Couldn't resist modifying a great Star Wars quote. - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, you are saving money. For someone like me who likes to watch movies and play video games and listen to music and living in dorm-settings, having an all-in-one is a great idea. I get more bang for my buck by owning a PS2 instead of 3 separate electronic devices with only one purpose (that and I'm saving a ton of space....and I have to deal with less wires).
- DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I am pro-XBOX...but that poor Sony can`t seem to quit tripping over it`s own two feet lately.
- Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well the thought behind this article is dumb. All of you guys are forgetting one thing that if you read further past the thought I will explain why this is so important... Blu-Ray! If anyone REALLY remembers back when the PS2 came out, DVD players were still $200 or so. I remember purchasing my first DVD player (Toshiba) around the year 2000 for $250. Yes it was a higher end DVD player but the lowest price you could find one for anyway was about $150.
The PS2 sold units not only for the fact that it was the new PlayStation but also because it was a great deal in the fact that you were getting a DVD player as well. The second thing that PS2 did that NO previous system has done (technically) is backwards compatibility. So there was a good feeling about that because everyone had ALWAYS wanted that and Nintendo NEVER delivered (like I said technically because they did have the game boy player for the SNES and the NES adapter as well). The Dreamcast came out at around the same time as the PS2 and nobody wanted to buy it because of two reasons 1) no DVDs and 2) no EA (3rd party support in general).
To those who are trying to figure out how one year does not =60 some odd percent market share... you're right it doesn't. What does add up the market share is the above mentioned things in addition to the following: Squaresoft. Final Fantasy VII (the best RPG ever IMO) sold Playstations. Microsoft was at a disadvantage because they did not have the 3rd party support PS2 did. Don't get me wrong both systems have some unbelievable 1st party titles but when it comes to 3rd party... PS2 rules the roost.
I believe that MS went into the Xbox with the idea that they needed to get their foot in the door. IMO the only thing that saved the Xbox from death was 1) M$ deep pockets 2) HALO (best acquisition ever) 3) the easily hackable box (mod chips, home-brew scene etc.)
The PS3 will not fail. Not because they have the best system but because they have a $400 cheaper Blu-Ray player. SONY owns multiple studios and they will not release those movies to HD-DVD. They have a proprietary format with some IP that people actually want. That has been the problem in the past with SONY trying to push their proprietary formats is that they did not have a good backing of IP for the format they were trying to push. My only issue with the PS3 succeeding is that the consumer, in the end, is the one who will lose out. My opinion, and you heard it here first, is that there will be no clear cut winner of the Next-gen DVD format. We will be forced to purchase both HD-DVD and a Blu-Ray player if we want the content. This in the end will be replaced by On-Demand type services that we will not have a physical media anyway... And that will be the winner of the format war.
As far as gaming goes, it will be 2 years before PS3 is completely caught up to the 360. Developers are a year ahead with the 360 and because the tools are similar to the old tools as well as tools for DX10 it will take about that long for developers to understand the PS3 on the level it needs to be understood on. IMO the games will always "look" better on the 360 but the AI and gameplay will probably be surpassed on the PS3. I think that only a handful of games will truly utilize the full 1080p because of the 30fps max frame rate issue as it is just not good for games. I don't know too much about the new PS3 graphics chip but being a proprietary chip is going to hurt PS3 as well. ATI is great with textures and shaders and will be heavily utilized in the 360. If this was not true then we would not see alot of the same games being released for the 360 and PC with DX10. That, to me, says something about the design of the X360 that I like. - tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, because it is SO easy to take out 5 years of PS3 sales with 1 year of Xbox 360 sales
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1but the people buying PS2's are probably going to be buying used games. Therefore, game developers won't bother making new games for that system, they'd rather make games for new consoles, where they sell well.
- tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can almost assure you the PS3 will NEVER sell as well as the PS2. It is just too damned expensive, period.
I think with the price tag on it, people might just really sit down and think about WHY they want the PS3. The more they think, the more they will either 1.) Not buy into this generation for QUITE some time because it is nothing new, just prettier graphics (with the exception of Nintendo) , or 2.) Go for a cheaper alternative. Like cocaine or heroin - tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the ps2 has out sold the 360 month after month after month. yes... thats right... the 6 year old system is kicking the new shiny in the virtual scrotum. and has been. for a while."
Well no *****! of course a $130 will outsell the $500 one. Same reason why people think the Wii will outsell the PS3. Power isn't everything. It also has to be AFFORDABLE to the masses, as impressive as the system may be. This is exactly why Nintendo didn't attempt to compete with the 360 and PS3 audience. They are trying to snatch up the people who think spending $600 on a console is stupid when for $1000, you could build a PC that would crush the console in pure functionality and game availability.
Lets not forget that a lot of those numbers were inflated by RE-purchases. How many people are still using their ORIGINAL console they bought on launch?
Shotty Sony electronics... - tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There have also been arguments that the PS3 will sell better when it comes down in price. But do you remember how many people DIDN'T buy a PS2 because it was a whole $300? Even THAT was too expensive for the majority of the players. It REALLY started selling when it hit the $200/$179 pricetag. So if the Sony wants their console to sell that well, when, or more realistically, CAN they ever get it down to $179? That will be quite a price drop. Even then, I would actually go out and buy one.
As I have been stressing since day one, there is no doubt that the PS3 is not WORTH $600. You don't have to convince many people of that. But there is a big difference between not thinking it is worth it and not being able to afford it. - tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As stated above, he means they failed to maintain their dominance for 3 consecutive generations. And lets not forget Sega. They tanked on the Saturn, their third generation system. As awesome as the Dreamcast was though, it was overshadowed by the PS2 with their commercials of a guy sucking a silver snot up his nose and running off a building. As soon as people started seeing those commercials, they were like "OMFG I GOTTA HAVE ONE"and sold off their Dreamcasts...I was working at an EB Games during that time period..
R.I.P. Sega Dreamcast.
EDIT: Oh, about the GameBoy. That is perfect proof that raw horsepower and price DO effect a system's outcome. No one will deny that the PSP is crazy powerful for a console when compared to the Nintendo DS. But who is winning in THAT department? The cheaper/less powerful console with a gimic. Games mean everything. - tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just noticed I wrote $500 for the 360 price..oops, I meant $400
- tendonut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They should also tighten up the graphics just a bit too.
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