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- Iceduck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Frankly it looks more like MS walking over Sony...
- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The 360 itself will do everything its just the blue laser used to read HD-DVD discs.
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Toshiba will sell the HD-DVD player for $100 just to take Sony down a notch. Why not when there is no great leap in hardware tech and the discs can be pressed at the same facilities that press DVD today. Blu-ray on the other hand requires specialized hardware and a completely new disc pressing process that cost much more than OTS components.
- sharkhy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10there's a reason they call them "early adopters"...
- tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Well this could really hurt the PS3 badly... 100 dollar HDDVD add on.
So if you didn't wan't the hard drive, and the core system goes down to 229. You could get an HD-DVD player and a next gen console for 329!
That I think would seal the deal for HD-DVD. Exspecially if MS made like, a home theater bundle... XBOX360/HDDVD/OneHDDVD Movie for like 350. - drn666, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@kennyboy019 - HD-DVD has a transfer rate of 36.6 Mbps. USB 2.0's 480 Mbps is more than enough to handle reading HD-DVD video and transfering it to the 360 for decoding.
I can believe the $100 price tag - 360 provides the outputs (MS will likely ship an HDMI cable for the 360 for like $50 or whatever - you can bet this will be extra) and all the decoding power for both video and audio - the external drive is just a laser strapped to a USB2 connector.
I can't wait. - canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8HD-DVD for $100? A $100 price cut to premium with PS3 coming in at $499 min? I call BS!!! *Maybe* a $29-49 cut in premium, *maybe* a $149-199 HD-DVD player but that's it. This is all complete rumor.
- XTrek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8If it all comes true the 360 premium will be $300. So, we'll get an HD-DVD player and the game console for $400.
- nuzreq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The source is some random Spanish website, this seems more like a gamers wish list then actual information.
- albrad84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yeah and the timing on the price drops is perfect... xbox360 for $300 or ps3 for $500+
What are you gonna pick?
(and, i know, before i get 50 comments on it, revolution for $200, but this is largely a different customer demographic) - SixSider, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12HD-DVD for $100? Um, I doubt that. When they are selling for $500 or more now? I suppose the price could be cheaper becasue they'd be removing all of the ports except USB and a lot of the control could be done of the 360 hardware (maybe), but that still seems pretty darn cheap...
Especially if you are getting a 360 for $400. - CatfishJones, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"-Halo 3... in E3 we are going to see the first videos."
I guess we'll get a better idea of how accurate these predictions are at E3 in a few weeks. - pjh3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"No one really wants the 360 outside the US."
Wrong! Only in Japan have the sales been poor. Everywhere else it's been flying off the shelf! - davidv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6lukaso
componant does technically support HD content, it is up to the studios whether or not to limit the output however to 540p resolution. As of now I think all but one studio has said they are *not lowering the res with this setup. Now that you mention it though it sure would be a crapfest for people if it uses componant and then studios suddenly went and said they were limiting HD to digital cables.(hdmi/dvi) haha... - SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Normally I wouldn't believe shady stuff like this, but alot of these rumors have already been confirmed to be true, and the rest seem pretty believable, Microsoft would be dumb not to do those things.
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Indeed. It's not like they launched it and then dropped the price a month later or something. The early bird catches the worm, but it comes at a premium.
- FuManchuX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Dropping the price by $100 is insane ... won't happen. The 360 is still in high demand, and MS is making a loss on the consoles themselves (and thus can't afford to take an extra $100 hit).
Still, look for a modest price drop ($50) and Halo 3 around the time PS3 comes out... because that's the way Microsoft rolls.
My stock pick: Sony: sell (they're screwed up); MS: hold (360 looks like the winner, but doesn't offset overal slugish revenue growth); Nintendo: buy (they probably have the current gen. sleeper hit coming out, and plan to at least break even on every system). - TheSevenDuffs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8$100 less, dingus
- drn666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@lukaso: This isn't true. While HD-DVD (like Blu-ray) supports the image constraint token which limits the resolution of video output over component, none of the first round of discs seem to implement the ICT.
My guess - most HD-DVD titles won't use ICT for quite a while - not until HDMI is more common place. Studios aren't totally retarded - they know people won't buy their product if they're crippled on the majority of currently in-service HDTV's.
Either way - the 'clever solution' is shipping an HDMI connector for the 360. They already sell component, s-video and VGA connector cables - shipping an HDMI cable wouldn't be too tough. Expect it to be an extra $39-$50 over the cost of the HD-DVD drive, but expect it none the less.
Personally, I prefer component for now - as long as titles are ICT free... I'm lazy and have a spiffy Component/Toslink switcher box to swap between digital HDTV cable and 360. Swapping to HDMI means I have to dig out more remote controls. - Trjn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Virtual console is the term that Nintendo is using.
Term, not name.
As far as I recall, there are no current official names for ANYTHING related to the Revolution, aside from one or two game titles.
But regarding the actual article, looks like one of those hit and miss type speculations, they say A,B,C . . . X,Y and Z will happen, when in reality, you just get A,F,U,Z (although some are only vaguely accurate) plus 1, 2 and 3, but the site considers that a win because they got some right. Even though it could well be down to coincidence.
I mean where do they base the numbers of a $100 and $80 reduction in price? I can understand the timing, everyone is predicting an October/November price drop of the 360, but to me, they're just stabbing in the dark and hoping that they get something. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10tavisjohn..GREAT that you are laughing at Microsoft for being dumb, and like a ***** idiot you actually still think that Bill Gates said "640K should be enough for everybody."
How is it possible that you don't know that that is an URBAN LEGEND!
Here is the problem. When stupid ***** like you try to blast Microsoft at all costs, often, you come across looking EXTREMELY stupid. Because you get to the point we here if Bill Gates said that eating black babies is bad, you would say that Gates is wrong. (It IS wrong, by the way.) - kenfagerdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5With the amount of cost that goes into production for each individual Xbox 360 I doubt Microsoft would be willing to take an even larger loss. This move would also smite some of the early adopters.
Add ons historically have not worked for a majority of videogame consoles, although the N64's RAM pack is an exception. The best option would be to just integrate HD-DVD into the unit itself, but then again this seems to be an unlikely scenario.
The choice to have two Xbox 360 models at launch was foolish since a majority of the games integrate features requiring the hard drive. Most people who purchased the core system have or will most likely end up buying the hard drive anyway. To further complicate matters with another peripheral just before a platform war (HD-DVD v. BluRay) would lead to further confusion.
I find these rumors highly suspect. No digg. - kennyboy019, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8The forerunners thing was a confirmed April fools joke.
Halo 3 will NOT be coming out in November. Gamestop is not the best for dates. - SixSider, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6So this means I can expect to get an external HD-DVD player for my computer for $100? Heck, you maybe right.
- igjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5so nebunezzar... I should be getting a $1500 dollar discount because my computer is worth $300 now... guess I didn't get that memo
- nebunezzar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm just pissed since I'm a late early adopter. I got my 360 a couple weeks ago. Now if in a month they drop prices and introduce a bigger hdd, that'll drive me crazy.
This is different than a computer because consoles are supposed to be more stable and not change much through it's lifetime.
I paid enough for my "premium" system, and now I may need to upgrade it to remain premium? That's bs. - neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4add-ons to me seem really sloppy... especially this HD dvd add-on... never seen it but i bought my 360 for the games... and other than Oblivion, i'm not excited about many of them.
- DaMacGamer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Paramount exclusive HD content? could you even imagine how long it will take to download that over xbox live?
- s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5davidv.... isn't that the same model MS uses? Silver and Gold? You knew that right?
- Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@FuManchuX
Do you even understand what you are saying? First of all SONY will not FAIL at this. They have JAPAN and the support locally from people who want FF games as well as some of the SONY titles out there. They will have a sluggish start until the first console price drop for them and then they will flourish.
2nd I think that M$ should drop the price of the 360. That would be a dagger in the heart towards sony (not so much at nintendo). They have the product on the shelf and with all of the "nearly" 2nd gen. games soon to come out for the 360 how can you go wrong. I think they understand something that many people don't... They are using the same model as the cell phone industry... Sell the hardware for cheap... sell them with services add-ons and money on the back end from licensing. This is great for everyone... Microsoft has figured this out and may just put themselves in a very good situation when the PS3 hits shelves.
As for Nintendo... You must not pay attention much here either. They make a killing off of licensing. They have been making a profit of off the gamecube until they dropped the price to $100. They have been the only one of the three to truly be in the green. Now I think they have understood the business model that Microsoft understands and is taking advantage of... pay for services, add-ons etc. The fact that you will be able to download old NES games is amazing. I hope they see the glory in the fact that they should be around .99 to $1.99. I do not think that people will be very willing to pay more than that (happily)... Just look at the classic NES gameboy games that came out... Those clutter up the bargain bins where I live.
It will all come down to PS3 vs. 360 as nintendo will draw their own crowd (everyone) with the REV. Which is not going to be all kiddie if you have been reading correctly. This new system has generated a lot of buzz and they have been more willing to license out to people to make more adult friendly games. The PS3 and 360 will both need strong 1st party titles and exclusive titles in order to stay a competition. I think that this is one area that PS3 may have hurt themselves a little bit with the fact that the past 2 years they have really flooded the market with crap games from some of their best franchises (Jak, Ratchet & Clank) and have left a sour taste in the mouths of would be buyers. They have some great things going for them like the God of War franchise which has a new game coming out however that game I believe is slated for the PS2 not 3 and I hope they have a sequel to Shadow of the Colossus. Microsoft does not have anything that stands out other than HALO 3 which could be horribly bad considering that rumors have it that it will be a prequil.
I would say as of right now... Sony still has the edge as far as 3rd party licensing goes (MGS, Katamari, GTA [pretty much], Square and a few other big ones) in order to keep the public interested. Nintendo has the creativity on their side and Microsoft has content NOW and for a decent price with some great games.
In the end we are the real winners because we get great games, great prices (now that competetion is back) and even more things to try to shove into this 24day :( - GuyNextDoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Cerebral...
I like the concept of the revolution...but Nintendo has developed a "street rep" of being for kids only. Nintendo doesn't have sex appeal, an image that will be hard to overcome now. I still recall an IGN weekly video that had Jessica Chobot going out asking people what they thought of the DS Lite...one dude thought it was utter crap and that Nintendo should go out of business. He didn't care about the games, the "buzz" or anything, because as an average consumer, all he knows about Nintendo is the street image, which isn't good. - CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Some online forums are hardly "strong rumors" but it's very good news for all gamers if true.
- anamanaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good wishlist but its from a forum for god sakes. How is this reliable news or even rumors? Its just some gamer's rantings
- tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can see 100 dollar drives for the computer soon... but I think they will start at 200. Considering that the Toshiba player has what a gig of ram, a bunch of chips, it's basically a computer for 499. So I don't see how the drive could cost any more than 200 bucks, considering my CPU/VPU/RAM are going to be doing the most work.
- Ace25, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Except for the fact that MS has already stopped supporting and producing the "core" system due to the fact that game developers couldn't guarantee their games would work without a hard drive.
As far as the price drop. Not anytime soon. There is no reason/incentive to drop the price at this time. It's possible this may happen in the weeks before the PS3 launch but even then I am skeptical and if it does happen, it will be a $50 drop, not a $100.
MS is already losing hundreds on each 360 sold, Why would they take a bigger loss when there is no competition to warrant a price drop? Heck, look what they did with the original xbox, they RAISED the price, not lowered it. It's now $179 with Forza Racing. The original Xbox used to be $149 and Forza is $19.99, so they actually raised the price of the xbox itself $10.
Plus I am skeptical about a link to a forum of a site I never heard of being a reputable source. - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Virtual Console" with Sega games? Seems unlikely to me, especially since that's the exact name Nintendo is calling their Revolution download service (which features Sega games).
- tjdoom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A lot of this seems highly unlikely. Some of the other stuff seems reasonable, however.
- gfreak49, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I would love a price cut on the premium, but it seems to me it wouldn't matter. Everywhere I go, they either sell it as some stupid bundle for more, or only have the Core Version.
- ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They already have HD content on the Live Marketplace. Sure, it wont be a full movie, but maybe trailers and extra things like that would work fine.
- kennyboy019, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Unless you can stream HD content over a USB2 cable, you can bet that the HD drive will have its own output.
- kramer3d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I don't digg ***** rumors. Reported
- dragulaaeop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bro, that's where the wonderful world of 3rd-party comes into play. If you want to migrate files from you 20GB to a future 360HD, use something like this:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10678/Datel-Announces-Xbox-360-Hard-Drive-BackUp-Solution/
Backup old drive to computer, plug new drive into computer, copy to new drive. Sure, you have to pay a premium to do it, but I am sure that having all your content on your new drive would be worth it
~Aeop - G00mper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4>"Dropping the price by $100 is insane ... won't happen"
Not at all... and it might. Remember the original Xbox dropped by $150 6 months after its initial release.
All consoles are sold at a loss, its the way the business is run; I guarantee you those $60 games aren't sold at a loss.
>"The 360 is still in high demand"
Perhaps not as high a demand as MS expects or thinks they need, or as high a demand as they expect there will be for a PS3. No one really wants the 360 outside the US.
Don't underestimate the importance MS puts on dominating the living room, nor the amount of money they are willing to burn to get there. - Space_Balls, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3wasn't there a story quite recently about Microsoft dropping the 360 Core from their lineup to make sure there will be a broader base of 360s with the HDD?
- hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It said Halo 3 on marketplace in a month, so probably the trailer
- ColBond, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The article says the price of the core package is dropping by $80. I read not 3 weeks ago that the core package is being dropped and users of the core system will be forced to add the hard drive to take full advantage of many games to be released. Therefore reducing the core package price doesn't make much sense.
- McPostal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6It wouldn't really be streaming HD content. It would be streaming data that the Xbox360 would then decode into HD content. I'm sure the drive will only be readable by the Xbox360.
- hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3you have to remember that Microsoft also dropped the price of the first XBox by $100 6 months after its launch. HD DVD can be easily $100 because the 500$ HD DVD which was just released has a full Pentium IV CPU and motherboard etc to run the HD DVD while this is already available as the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU. So the only cost is the mechanics and the blue laser which wouldnt cost more than $50 in manufacturing frankly
- 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sounds good to me, but I would happily pay $399 for one right now. For the last 3 months I've had $500 sitting right here next to my keyboard just for the 360, games and add-ons. But I can't get rid of the cash, I haven't seen an actual 360 here in town yet! MS doesn't want my money. :(
Although I can't give this a digg due to this line: "Halo 3 is going to be in the market the next month of March"
March is over and there is no Halo 3 "in the market". - davidv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure they meant March '07 mate
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