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- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+64garberjon, please provide a link for a $20 HD-DVD internal drive. Thanks.
- devr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26garberjon:
HD-DVD, not DVD - clairmont, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Tested: Confirmed, was kinda sluggish but it works. I got The Grinch playing for my kids right now.
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26I will be impressed when someone uploads an OS X driver.
Even better...hooking it up to one of the USB ports on the PS3 and getting it to work via a Linux driver. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21No, its a HD-DVD player.
- techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Wow, this will be huge. Can you imagine? A $200 HD-DVD player. Hook it too your HTPC, and watch HD-DVD's on your big screen.
Fun! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17If this actually works great on a PC then Microsoft is genius and this is a slick blow to Sony.
- xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12The Xbox 360 is the decoder, they wrote it just for the 360. From what I read they wrote 4.2 million lines of code so the Drive would work with the Xbox 360. If it works with the PC thats cool. But I was replying to If it would play Blu Ray discs, and that is no.
- hanapbuhay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Use the $40 off coupon to get the HD DVD Player for $159 from Circuit City. The coupon works... the CSR may be required to manually enter the code. It's worth a try if you want to get the player for a decent price.
http://www.digg.com/tech_deals/Xbox_360_HD_DVD_Player_for_159_after_40_Circuit_City_Coupon - clairmont, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Software Used: http://www.cyberlink.com/eng/press_room/view_898.html --- I did NOT get a pirated copy!
- sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually, no
I'm guessing they're taking a hit on each unit....that means it was a gamble that won't pay off.
Now it even has the possibility to be plugged into a PS3.
That will give incentives to PS3, not 360, or Microsoft, because PS3 might be the only player that has the potential to play both next gen formats. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"No, its a HD-DVD player."
Don't you still need a decoder? - empyreal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I sure hope your not foolin.
I dont own a 360 Considering tommorrow purchasing the HD-DVD drive if it works on the PC. Very tempted. - MidnightWatcher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well of course, that's a given. Not even a regular DVD plays without the software.
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6
I want to add to my posting... in addition to a native OS X driver, I'd like to see someone in the meantime hook this up to their Intel based Mac (probably a Core2Duo is needed) and play it on a Windows install courtesy of BootCamp. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You'd need the appropriate playback software (or at least codecs) like power DVD etc.
- Quag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Anyone able to confirm this?
- Smarterdanu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5There is no need to use HD-DVD's for games. If they need more space a 2-disc game is no prob. FF8 was 4 discs if you remember.
Plus games would load slow like on the PS3.
Hard-Drive caching isn't that big of a deal either...games like gears of war just stream the content into ram. - NerveBand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That is actually really good insight. Now just imagine if a linux driver comes out. Out the windows goes Xbox 360 and in comes PS3
- ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It seems from the description that it will allow the viewing of the files in Explorer within a windows PC. I do not believe that it has the capability for movie playback.
- sctechguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4There isn't another comparatively priced PC drive, because MS went to some lengths to make special hardware that was only intended for use on the 360. PC HD-DVD drives are running around $1K right now (retail). Now, if MS was crafty, and made a way for said 360 HD-DVD drives to work in a PC, they would indeed be far ahead of the competition, namely, Sony.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Tiger Woods PGA Golf 07 for 360 is almost 8GB and it doesn't even have all the courses the Xbox version has because they won't fit at HDTV res. And textures don't compress significantly (you can't use JPEG for them), the artifacts become obviously especially when mipmapping comes into play.
Cur-gen consoles have 8x the RAM of previous gen consoles.
HDTVs have 3x the pixels of SDTVs (6x at 1080p).
To think that game code and game data won't get any bigger is ridiculous.
I can't see 360 games using HD-DVD soon, as that would restrict their customer base to the couple hundred thousand HD-DVD owners, instead of the 6M+ 360s out there. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2namenotused:
Those aren't true procedural textures. They're just wavelet-compressed pixmaps. JPEG2000 uses wavelet compression too, and it's not procedural either.
Wavelets are a great idea for textures, since they can be rendered at different resolutions (mipmaps) efficiently.
However, wavelets are not magic. You are not going to get the same quality you currently get in 10% of the space.
You did notice these scenes have large expanses of repeated texture? Put some objects in there that aren't tile, blank wall or porcelain and the amount of data will go up a lot. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3At the moment all the movies work fine over VGA or Component. But in the future it could run into some issues.
- JayRod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What about the HDCP problem, will this drive work on pc without HDCP compliant monitor or video card. My monitor is HDCP compliant but not the video card. I definately want to buy this for pc use.
- spartan018, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3they do work on PCs, thats the whole point of these drivers. you just need a kickass system with HDCP out and a decoder to watch movies.
- spartan018, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no one said you could watch movies with it. all these drivers do are allow XP to recognize the device when you plug it in.
- Smarterdanu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@HappyScrappy
um....the title is "Xbox 360 HD-DVD driver for XP"
Not Vista.... Assuming they work, then you're completely wrong ;) - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3As long as you have the appropriate codec XP should play HD DVD's. Google WMV HD and see what HD content looks like on your pc.
- namenotused, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@HappyScrappy
"Procedural textures are as old as the hills. This is how demos were made for the Amiga (and PC) in only 4K or 64K of total code/data.
Procedural texturing has its limits. You can make some very interesting looking stuff, but you simply cannot generate the complex textures that are needed to make things look real."
Things have changed since those days. Different techniques are now being used and as a result, procedural textures can look real.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/11/09/Procedural_Textures_Future_Gam/1.html - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're wrong. DVDs have VOB files, which are MPEG-2 streams. But they are CSS encrypted.
HD-DVDs have VC-1 files (which are like WMV9), but again, they are AACS encoded. Without AACS decoding software (which XP doesn't have and Windows Media Player doesn't have), you're not going to be able to play an HD-DVD. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As long as there are two competing formats neither side will implement output constraint tokens, so let’s hope the format war goes on for a long long time.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Procedural textures are as old as the hills. This is how demos were made for the Amiga (and PC) in only 4K or 64K of total code/data.
Procedural texturing has its limits. You can make some very interesting looking stuff, but you simply cannot generate the complex textures that are needed to make things look real.
And again, you don't JPEG textures. If you use JPEGs for your walls, you'll see artifacts when you get close to the walls. - rnernento, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wait so how do you decode the DVD's? Also, what does it take PC wise to play an HD-DVD smoothly. My only other question, why isn't there an alternative HD-DVD drive thats actually made for PC and is priced comparatively to the 360 version?
- MidnightWatcher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some people have already successfully watched HD DVD on their PC with it. Check out AVSForum.com
- empyreal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I am assumming you are using Cyberlink PowerDVD 7 with enthusiast pack for the h.264 high definition pack? Please correct me if i'm wrong.
- yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it's not, DVDs while encoded with Mpeg-2 are not straight mpeg-2 video files, as long as you have the proper codecs for a DVD you CAN play a dvd, the same is true for HD-DVD (in fact these already exist for XP), this makes your statement WRONG, cause you said "XP won't play HD-DVDs." Which is WRONG. XP won't play DVDs outta the box either, but with an upgrade to WMP10+ it does, this doesn't mean that XP won't play DVDs. (note, I know that newer versions of XP come with this ability).
- yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2And those people used software. You cannot use the drive to play movies without the software, just like with the 360, you cannot use the drive to play movies without the "millions of lines of code" (ie the software). like spartan said, all these let you do is recognize the drive in windows, what you do from there is up to you and what software you have.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ten twenty years from now maybe. You are listening to Sony marketing nonsense. Games don’t need that capacity of storage if you use data compression.
- Thmstec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Now, if sony would still say its open to any PPC OS after that happens, I would forgive them of everything back to the bad DRM on their CDs!
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3By using procedurally generated game elements the need to put a tone of JPEG files in games has and will diminish. New engines are being created to make the code run more efficiently. I am sure the HD DVD add on could be used to run games but there isn't and may never be a need given the improvements to game engines.
- SystmBetatester, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3nice
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Huh. I never even see the catchpa and I comment all the time.
- empyreal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn these drives are hard to find in Canada. All the major chains seem to be out of stock (online or stock checking the stores).
Curious to see if Microsoft will limit release due to this news. - mrjava241, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://localhostr.com/files/c46c39057dc3fbe73d9f.rar
- eridius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I highly doubt this story. I've been told that the HD-DVD drive works entirely in software, using millions of lines of code, and is the single most demanding application for Xbox 360 behind Gears of War. If your XP box can match the tri-core performance of the Xbox 360 on an application written *for* the Xbox 360, I would be extremely surprised.
- ZombieNinja, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've got to get some High Def amplifiers for my Cds.. and MP3. XD
- Nitro187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I know it wouldn't happen, but wouldn't that be cool if Nintendo added the capability of using the HD-DVD drive in the Wii? So you can watch HD-DVD movies, and so on? That way they can show thier support for HD-DVD, rather than Blue Ray? I'd buy the HD-DVD drive in a heartbeat.
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Anyone know if it will work on my video card?
1900 XTX
http://www.powercolor.com/main_product_detail.asp?id=104 - JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1See, this is why I like that the ps3 forces innovation on you(and it does force it). Developers can assume that they have HDD space to work with as well as 50 GBs of bluray space. If a game needs something not everyone already has or its not in the same box as the game the player base is cut before it launches.
Also 2-4 DVDs is just humiliating next to a bluray. -
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