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- maklershed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21This is good news. And call me crazy but I think $40 for the camera, a spare headset, and a copy of Uno is a pretty good deal. And I'm a Cheap Ass Gamer.
- SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Lots of good news for 360 owners in here.
- elmwood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@ nobi-wan:
The "personal picture" taken from the camera is seperate from the "Gamer Picture". Gamer picture is viewable to all, "personal picture" only visible to those on your Friends List. There's also a bunch of parental options and feedback directly related to personal pictures... won't be any different from the 12 year olds screaming into the mic... its there, but its easy enough to mute them/provide feedback, right? - dan4prez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That's really cheap for the camera. I thought I remember seeing earlier rumors of the camera being around $100 so this is much better.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Troof! Theres nothing like sucessfully challenging a Wild Draw Four in a four player Live game, and hearing everybody go "OOOOOOH!"
UNO over Live is one of the most addictive games Ive played in years, and this coming from a WoW player! - dimsumx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Lame? You've obviously have not played Uno on XBL. Don't knock it till you try it. It's a blast.
- n8r0n, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Well, Sony had the camera first...
- m99stump, on 07/29/2008, -0/+7Have you played 360 Uno yet? I haven't but seeing all my friend's buddy lists being monopolized by Uno for hours on end and them saying how fun it is leaves me to believe you are wrong.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Especially in the case when the EyeToy was out long before this camera. By your reasoning of the PS3 copying Wii, the 360 is directly copying the success of PS2 EyeToy."
Microsoft didnt call it a gimmick at last year's E3, tack it on at the last minute, and show a pitiful demo at this year's E3. This isnt something thrown on just before a big press conference hoping to ride on a competitor's coattails. Like I pointed out, Eye Toy never was all that popular anyway. Microsoft is going to do this the right way, and it appears they have a good game plan for it in place already. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6More FACEPLATES! SWEET!
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I cant believe you guys are toting the success of the Eye Toy. How many of you actually own one? o.O
- WVUChrisF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm just happy to see there might be more faceplates
- JDOG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, I know other headsets are more expensive, but they offer cross-platform usability (any phone/system with bluetooth). This is proprietary and works only with the 360.
- dimsumx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The difference is that Sony likes to make outragous comments like "We actually did it first" after the fact.
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Damnit ... just bought UNO on Live last night.
- Anagrama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ eighto2:
Are you complaining about the game line-up because you currently own a 360 and are unhappy with your options? If so, then why the hell did you buy it to begin with?
Rule #1 in buying a console: Research which games you can play and choose console accordingly.
If you did not do that, than you got what you deserve. I, for one, love playing Oblivion, GRAW, Joust, and Zuma in front of my TV. - Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That is NOTHING, literally, have you seen how much wireless headsets are costing these days? Not just for the 360, all consoles for that matter. They are in the high 100's..
- melenko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://uk.gamespot.com/news/2446619.html?sid=2446619&q=camera
sony just had much better marketing and tried it outside of japan - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3excellent price point for what you get. this is gonna be fun with UNO
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3eh zetsurin, i think the PC had the camera first
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"What absurd comments are you talking about?"
This is a joke right? If youve been on Digg lately, youve seen the headlines. Sony thinks the PS3 is too cheap. Sony invented 3d gaming. Sony calls their tilt sensing controller an innovation. Cmon dude. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Are there any plans to utilize the camera in a gaming capacity (other than mapping faces to characters, etc...)?
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@KyleRayner
Thats exactly what I wanted.
That was bad wording on his part. Personally I believe he meant introduced a console based on said technology but I don't know what he really meant. Maybe he thinks Sony did introduce it to the world. If so, then he deserves the anger at him.
But I still don't think it should be as strong as it is. This is all being blown out of proportion. - KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2""When we brought the PlayStation to the market in 1994, we introduced real time 3-D graphics for the first time. When Nintendo launched its N64 in 1996 it also had 3D graphics, did we say, 'Nintendo stole our idea!'? Obviously not.""
They did what? They introduced 3-d graphics for the first time? Hmm. - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it can also be used for online conferences with up to 3 people (maybe more, not sure). those updates are expected in the fall when the camera comes out. remember the demo MS had at E3 2005 with jenny mccarthy?
- dimsumx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, the picture only shows it on top of the 360 for display purposes only. It should be just a standard wire. I don't see why you can't put it where you please.
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@KyleRayner
Riiiiidge Racer is indeed funny and deserves its pop culture status.
Rootkits have nothing to do with Sony Games. That was Sony music's fault which is a completely different entity. If you want to blame Sony for all of it, the Microsoft is much, much, worse with all the damage they have caused with their software division. Rootkits wouldn't even be a problem with Microsoft secured the OS correctly, but that's a different debate.
Resolution upgrades are not a bad thing and I would be very disappointed if they weren't included.
Expensive hardware. Yea, its expensive and that bothers me. But considering what you get (Blu-Ray, Cell, processor, backwards compatibility with all previous games) its that bad. You couldn't build a similar computer for anywhere near that price. And X-box 360 with a HD-drive is not much cheaper.
And the technologies thrown in at the last minute, Agni we don't know if that's true. Maybe it wasn't ready at last years E3. The again, maybe it was create 10 days before this E3. We don't know and I am not going to blame them one way or another.
I agree resentment is heading towards Sony, but I think most of it is unfounded as exampled in my previous posts. - eastbeast314, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Elmwood beat me by a hair. :)
Mod down please. - dimsumx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sony may have had it first, but it's not like Microsoft is claiming that they're the innovators or anything....
- Legondaree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2who copies who, a lot of technology is borrowed or done before, I think its just a matter of how they present when they show something. do they say they are the "creators" or " originators" or do they just put it one and talk about what they have to offer? copying a camera isn't that big of a deal since there has pretty much always been cameras, even before the eye toy (the Intel easy share line of camera even came with games to play along with the camera) hell even the motion controller was done way before the wii or ps3 announced there's check the date on this review
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/microsoft_tilt_p/ - chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@KyleRayner
Ditto. This has been fun. I hate it when people just stand by an issue and resort to name calling rather than present up quotes and examples to back up their positions. In this case, it appears I was wrong about Sony saying something they didn't. But I stand by my position that everything is being blown out of proportion.
Plus, I can't not like a Green Lantern fan :) - chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@KyleRayner
Once again we are assuming we know what Sony's rationale was in adding the motion sensor and getting mad about the appearance of it being stolen. We don't know what the conference was like when they decided to add the motion sensor. Maybe they said "Nintendo has a great idea, lets do something like that" (even though they called it a gimmick).
Or maybe they said "Well, we lost the legal battle with the rumble technology so we have to replace it with something else, how is that tilt control technology coming along?".
We don't know, but I am not going to get mad at them because I assume the first one is the "truth". I like to give companies the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Plus, the Eye is very successful, I know plenty of people who play it, especially at parities. I see it advertised and played at various stores, and new games are being released for it still. Its not like it just died away... - vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who cares who had a camera first, it's not like it's really that amazing of an idea. Besides, the first to do camera interactive gameplay was probably some interface testing lab at some university or some other small company.
It's virtually impossible for these large companies to ever actually do anything truly first. All they can do is bring it to the consumer market first, and by then all you're really talking about is who was willing to take what risk, not who was truly innovative. - dharm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@chocobomog
everyone claims that sony stole the idea to use motion sensing capabilities from nintendo
-but nintendo didnt invent motion sensing, and werent the first to do it.
-nintendo was just first to base a system on it
so sony gave an analogy with saying something absurd (intentionally) of something equally outragous statement like:
sony came out with the first console based on 3d graphics, and nintendo stole the idea from sony
-but sony didnt invent 3d graphics
-sony was just first to base a system on it
be it as it may, sony does look like to have gotten the idea from nintendo, but thats just the timing, if they released a motion sensing controller in a year, people wont say they copied it, its just that they decided to dev it right before e3 (who knows how long it took, could have been a day, could have been half a year), but it was obviously an attempt to knock-down the fame of wii at e3, and i think they did it. They are getting tonnes of free publicity, being most of it is negative though, but almost every article with sony in it, makes it to front page, because people are bashing it
its like the sony eyetoy, if sony announced the eyetoy, then weeks after xbox came out with a similar device (which they are, but years later), people would say MS copying sony, which they obviosuly did, but years have gone by since eyetoy has been out, and noone gives a ***** - chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good point with Peter Moore and Microsoft.
But the idea is that it "appears" that Microsoft stole the camera since a successful camera was already on the market prior to this.
Just like it "appears" as if Sony stole from the Wii (even though the technologies are fundamentally different, the Wii is much better implemented as the movement is the primary input where with the PS3 it is secondary) but Sony could have been, and probably were, working on their movement years before it was announced.
In both instances people are getting mad about the "appearances" of stealing. - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ah, thank you for that clarification. I did not know that.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You know chocobomog, Im going to add you to my friendslist. Its been damn good to have an adult debate, without all the needless name calling and down-modding. Thanks for providing a valid contrary position. I wish more posters were like you, Digg would be a better place.
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yea, i don't understand all the "stealing this or that" arguments. consoles are basically bringing things that worked well with PC gaming over to the console world.
when consoles had voice chat, people didn't argue over headsets for consoles... - elmwood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Products and dates were revealed, but no price points/bundle info.
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dharm
I agree with you completely.
Sony and Nintendo didn't create the respective technologies about, but they were the first to base systems on it. But some people are inferring that Sony claimed they "created" said technologies and that bothers me because they didn't say that. When Nintendo says they were the first to base a system on motion sensors no one claims Nintendo created the technology.
It is just bad timing with Sony announcing their motion sensor technology, and Microsoft with the camera.
@KyleRayner
I have read a few articles and the difference is Sony didn't say what you say they did. They never claimed to create a technology, they claimed to be the first to base a system off of a specific technology. If you can provide an exact quote where they say otherwise I will be inclined to agree with you. But as it is people are taking Sony's words out of context and claiming they said things they didn't really say. - dharm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1indeed they do, they make INTENTIONALLY absurd comments to prove a point...
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"In both instances people are getting mad about the "appearances" of stealing."
No, theres more to it than that. Sony is the market leader by a large margin, they are supposed to be providing us with the cutting edge innovations, since most of us have opened our wallets to them. Instead they present rootkits, resolution upgrades (Gran Turismo HD), expensive hardware, technologies thrown in last minute, and RIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER!
I think there is a bit of resentment headed in Sony's direction because of these things. - dimsumx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jdog
When the wireless adapter comes out, you should be able to use any wireless xbox 360 accessory on your PC.
Actually, from the Major Nelson podcast interview... the 360 camera will be usable on your PC. There's your cross platform. - ahatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thats exactly what i was thinking :/
- iSlayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nothing new here. His sources must of been his podcast of Major Nelson. This story was never leaked. They were happy to announce it on Major Nelson so I dont see what the big deal is here...
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So why is it when 360 comes out with a new peripheral everyone is super supportive and calls it the greatest thing ever, but when PS3 does the same comes out everyone says they stole the idea? Especially in the case when the EyeToy was out long before this camera. By your reasoning of the PS3 copying Wii, the 360 is directly copying the success of PS2 EyeToy.
Sure, the dreamcast had camera only released in Japan (and was unsuccessful) but it was solely for viewing people online, no games were implemented using the movement data from the camera. Speaking of Dreamcast, Samba de Amigo had the motion sensor technology long before the Wii but no one gets up in arms about that. - Sandwiches_Time, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here's one thing about this Xbox 360 camera that I've never understood...
This camera is supposed to rest on top of the 360? Because I sit like 12 feet away from my TV when I play video games. That's going to make the video of me nothing more than a few pixels on a big screen television.
For anyone who's played UNO, the space for the video feed of the person you're playing with is relatively tiny. If I'm sitting far back from my TV, you're not even going to be able to see me at all.
Am I missing something here? - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yea, i purchased it already too...
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's like a regular webcam, put it wherever you want
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea but this time you can use the camera for other things, like in shooting games to make your face and play online. Or for just your gamer pics
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