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- Pingspike, on 10/10/2007, -2/+93Ironic. Creative's one to talk about software support of its hardware (drivers anyone?)
- MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -6/+43*gasp* A WoW update broke something? NO WAY!
- GeneralFailure0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35Cheer up. Your server is half full.
- surilamin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+36Creative used to be at the forefront of audio technology, now its a piece of *****. Time to move on to a better company.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23Oh, you mean like OpenAL, the one that already exists and Creative helps maintain?
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21Because they're a bad company. Quit buying their products, eventually they'll lose enough business or recieve enough complaints that they'll return to a consumer-friendly business practice.
- discoloda, on 10/10/2007, -7/+24How come it is always creative that interferes with game developer's process? Doom3 was delayed because they owned a patent in what they claimed was what doom3 used for per-pixel lighting (it was in fact a different approach they own the patent for) and delayed the release of doom3 so it could be 'compatible' with the creative hardware.
/rant - skatiN64, on 10/10/2007, -7/+24They won't be one of the most popular if they continue with all their *****.
- Vektuz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Its not really blizzard blocking creative.
Its creative making proprietary licenced crap and then charging a fortune to 'allow' you to add support for them in your game... and then changing it up repeatedly, and essentially shoveling crap and attaching it to buzzwords to make people think they're getting a good deal.
It sounds like blizzard finally said "this EAX crap is bs. We dont need to use it to get reverb. Everyone else's sound card will work just fine using standards. Only Creative will fail because they dont follow standards."
Remember that the Realtek built-in audio covers like over 90% of the market. I'm glad they gave Creative the finger even if it was just for business reasons. - theshizzler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17The number of epics you have in game is inversely proportional to the number of epics you have in real life.
- natesnotjewish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Creative's drivers have been ***** for a while. An ASIO driver written as a wrapper for the WDM driver? Useless for anything where audio latency is crucial.
- 0hffs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16i give up im stupid
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Creative is a "multimedia" company, they've got patents out the ying-yang for all kinds of random "multimedia related" items. They used to be the Qualcomm of the Multimedia industry, but that's kinda died off after the Apple-$100M-Playlist lawsuit (at least, for now). I've personally received three or four cease and desist letters, but they were safely shreded with the morning garbage and nothing more ever came from it.
Anyways, the patent wasn't for Per-pixel lighting, it was for Environmental Audio Extensions (EAX), a way to make audio through some DSP trickery (IIRC, it's basically just a wavetable synth with a bunch of active voices and some perceptual coding junk mixed in so you can do 3d positioning). I wish I remembered what patent it was they accused id of violating, but they've been a patent troll for so long it's hard to keep any of them straight. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12But this time it's not just warlocks
- floodyberry, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11The patent was for a shadowing algorithm similar to one John had independently discovered (ironically known as Carmack's Reverse despite the patent and John not being the first to come across it).
More details:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040728-4048 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_volume#Depth_f ... - Sk8SkaNJ, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10per-pixel lighting? I thought Creative made sound cards, not video cards.
- tavisjohn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9And who would you reccommend?
Turtle Beach was good, now they are crappy.
Creative Labs may not be the great company they once were... But I still prefer their soundcards and speakers. - djlaunchpad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I've noticed that this isn't just with Creative. I have a built in 5.1 soundcard on my Asus MBoard and the sound is b0rked there as well. I switch it over to my USB headset and it sounds wonderful.
- Drull, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I dunno, 8+ million subscribers..
What's not enjoyable to yourself, might be to someone else.
Also, it wasn't a driver update, it was a game patch with changes/new content. Blizzard doesn't release drivers, just games. - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Ah thank you, so I was mistaken, they got EAX out of the deal, that's what I remembered.
- mikeslogic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Audio Devices (1092683 Users)
Realtek AC97 Audio 249,686 22.85 % #######################
Realtek HD Audio output 112,555 10.30 % ##########
SoundMAX Digital Audio 84,854 7.77 % ########
C-Media Wave Device 69,512 6.36 % ######
NVIDIA nForce Audio 41,466 3.79 % ####
SigmaTel Audio 39,511 3.62 % ####
Realtek HD Audio rear output 36,382 3.33 % ###
SB X-Fi Audio 31,567 2.89 % ###
SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio 28,081 2.57 % ###
SoundMAX HD Audio 26,490 2.42 % ##
SB Audigy Audio 16,765 1.53 % ##
SB Live! Audio 14,591 1.34 % #
SoundMAX HD Audio O 14,390 1.32 % #
Vinyl AC'97 Audio (WAVE) 13,378 1.22 % #
Speakers (Realtek High Definiti 12,698 1.16 % #
C-Media Rear Panel Audio 11,014 1.01 % #
Sound Blaster Audigy 10,962 1.00 % #
Other 278,781 25.51 % ########################## - Abatrour, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I think they should just bring A3D back.. Damn you creative for suing Aureal out of business.
- Albion01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6These companies don't spend any resources reading forums and blogs, and then wonder why they don't know about issues? If the RIAA can spend millions hiring idiots to sit around all day looking for music pirates, Creative can afford to hire a few people to watch the gaming forums. How much time does it take to search for "creative" in a forum anyway? ***** you don't even have to be a member on most of them. But hey, the stock holders are all that really matters, right?
*sadly shakes head* - brownr21, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Blizzard doesn't want hardware sound, which basically gives Creative sound cards the edge in quality if they enable it. They don't want that, they want everyone to have great sound.
Creative's pissed because they're being cut out. - gdgi, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10this surprises you (people quitting WoW)? You mean the delusion doesn't last forever? I would hazard a guess that people are starting to clue in that perhaps another hobby (like crack for example) might be cheaper than paying blizzard through the nose in perpetuity.
dugg down because creative sucks and has for a while. Their driver support is terrible and has been for years and they are far from 'the most popular sound card on the planet'. Realtek OWNS the soundcard market - game developers are simply supporting what the majority of the gaming population uses - onboard crappy audio cards.
It's all about the graffix donchaknow? lol - Tobark, on 10/10/2007, -7/+12LOL. FUD
- diggumjonez, on 10/10/2007, -10/+15I work on professional audio applications, and Creative devices are absolutely the worst sound cards out there. They've got ridiculous "features" like 3D effects and crystalsomethingorothers. Try using their "ASIO" device, put in quotes because there's almost nothing in their drivers that matches ASIO spec other than the capitalization of the word ASIO.
- Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Well, Creative was suffering even worse when MS made DirectSound in Vista restrict their interactions with the hardware, giving them problems in supporting EAX. And what's worse, Creative Labs is still taking most of the hit for that one. "Give us functioning drivers!!", the clueless use to yell. Creative is just lucky the X-Fi's happen to support OpenAL in hardware to circumvent it partially with the ALchemy patchwork.
- potterboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+57 year old SouldBlaster Live! Drive still working fantastic.
- nemoder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Totally Creative's fault here, Blizzard has used FMOD for awhile, they simply upgraded to FMOD v4 which has some major changes (it broke wine for awhile too) and Creative should have seen that coming.
- RadiatedAnt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Auzentech FTW!
- lpmiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4this is why I'm happy with my bgears inspirer, or any Oxygen based sound card. I am done with dancing with Creative's support, drivers, an inability to allow me to download anything other than a basic driver set if I lose my disc. The hardware is fine, the company sucks. And frankly, EAX just isn't all that.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The stupid URL thing is getting annoying.
- AlexMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Does anyone know what the URL is to get to Valve's statistics page? I remember that every time I install Steam, the second time I log in, I get invited to take a survey of my hardware, and at the end are shown a page with the results so far of said survey.
I can't remember, however, what percentage of gamers had a real sound card compared to Realtek's integrated sound. Anyone got the URL? - vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Just role play that your character has a curse of deafness.
- BugMeNot2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Auzentech.
- Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Ah, so I guess if Apple is Apple, Creative is the Orange here.
- wilsonthecat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Creative soundcards in general are useless for anything where audio latency is crucial. Get a nice Edirol instead ;)
- srouquette, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3creative deserve that.
they should focus on creating a good drivers (I still can't use my mic under vista) instead of whining about other companies which don't support their hardware.
creative doesn't even support its hardware, why others should bother ? - albybum, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Creative also makes MP3 players like Apple.
- krasht, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Not only that, but those whiners who complain about everything Blizzard does are still paying that subscription. The amount of "I'm going to quit WoW because of this" posts on the WoW forums are just hilarious. Especially since 99.999% don't follow through with the "threat".
- Nightwyn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3All I know is, my sound works the way it should. Finally. Weeeee!!!!
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+4I think Asus has put out a soundcard...kinda looks interesting.
- zzt711, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Screw creative! I used to love their hardware, but when they released the Audigy series, especially the Audigy 2, man, that card was a piece of crap. Too many hardware incompatibility and software issues. Creative blamed other companies for issues, but it was them, and they didn't own up to them. Specifically, they didn't follow industry standard hardware practices, and I don't believe they still don't, I won't ever by a product from Creative again and I don't recommend it either. I ended up sticking with motherboard based sound with my last few high end motherboards.
On top of this, I lost all faith with Creative when they decided to sue ID software for developing their own sound engine when they released Doom III. I honestly hope creative goes out of business, greedy f.....
I bought their SB, SBpro, sb16, switched to the Mediavision Premium 3D /w Roland daughter card, then went to Monster Sound 3D (that was a great card, too bad for Aureal/Vortex, their card was better than the Creative's Awe32, but they got screwed by greedy corporate owners who tried to sell off the company in parts and make a quick buck), then finally decided to go back to Creative with their Audigy2. - basic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Blizzard is doing the right thing, Creative's driver support has been getting worse and worse. EAX is a joke anyway, it's all marketing. Other audio chipsets are just as capable if not more capable than the X-fi and have better driver support with a lower pricetag (ENVY24).
- ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4They have lifes now.
- antdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So which sound cards do you recommend for gaming? Onboard sucks. I want EAX and all those wonderful stuff.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Agreed with the above people. The Creative stuff is so behind the times and sound post-processing takes such a small amount of CPU that it isn't worth supporting EAX anymore.
Even if it has some tiny CPU advantage left, it's still so much work to support it and test it (on Blizzard's part) that it doesn't make a lot of sense. - Pewpewpew, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5While DX makes it harder to port games to linux/os x and it forces you to upgrade to Vista for newer games, DX certainly doesn't "suck". There's a reason why most computer games are on Windows...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It wasn't broken, they just replaced it.
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