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- mutantmagnet, on 10/12/2007, -15/+80I'm guessing your well prepared to be dugg down? :p
- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+59I think you care. You obviously care since you keep commenting. It'd be dumb to continue voicing your opinion if no one is listening, after all.
Although your first comment was lame. Even if I agreed with you, I would have still dugg you down based on principle. - daridave, on 10/12/2007, -14/+43wow, your household must be boring.
we laughed, jumped, screamed and sweat with the Wii on christmas. Yeah, the next day, some even had sore shoulders and backs (but no complaining here.)
What did you do? Watch movies ???
I'm not even a fanboy. I have a 360 and it's super fun as well.. but anyone who tries to claim the PS3 is better than the Wii, I just can't get along. - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32we don't despise the technology (besides Blu-Ray).........we despise Sony as a company. They're incredibly arrogant and they don't respond to the wishes of gamers. They believe they can slap the name "Playstation" on anything and it will sell billions
As far as I'm concerned, Sony is trying to sell Blu-Ray. Games and the wishes of gamers seem to be the least of their worries - timpkmn89, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34Well the Wii is sold out everywhere, and there are tons of PS3s to be found in stores...
- birch25, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28the wii is technology too you know... their new technology is in their controller while sony's is in the processor/graphics card/etc.
- kuchino, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26What Sony rep Says to this: "We may have failed on the holiday shopping season, but we have Ridge Racer, Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge Racer!"
- Chordonblue, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Not when you consider how much Sony loses on each one. Remember, the big N actually makes MONEY on each machine they sell. It's an amazing concept in the console arena, but one worth not forgetting!
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I wouldn't say "tons" just around 3-4 if you're lucky really. Just because a picture of 7 at a best buy showed up on digg doesn't mean that every Best Buy has 7 sitting there.
- JimmyJJWalker, on 10/12/2007, -13/+27I'm wondering why does the Digg community, which one would expect to support technology, jump so quickly to despise technology?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Honestly.. how many times do we need to be informed that the Wii is completely annihilating the PS3? This isn't a copy of an article already posted, but it is a topic that has been beaten to death, revived, and beaten some more. Burying as duplicate..
- slythfox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I'm sure a lot of us can, but we'd rather have a Wii+360.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13if they rolled out a better controller and 40 titles that use it i still wouldn't show it some love because it's still 600 bucks , blue ray is still being shoved down my throat, and the games are still more expensive
- twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11$600 is really just too much to ask for a console. If it did something more than play games or watch movies, like say a computer, then yeah, $600 would be a bargain, but not for a console. I really don't know why Sony thought that people would pay $600 for what parents essentially see as a toy.
- corser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Why shouldn't digg be biased? The stories are promoted by an algorithm that uses user input to determine if they are popular enough. People are necessarily biased, it can't be helped, and thus the stories will slant towards what the majority of digg users think.
Personally I have nothing against the PS3 hardware or any of the great games that appeared on the PS2, but it's fun to see Sony taken down a peg after a year of root kits, exploding batteries and "The next-gen starts when we say it does" arrogance. - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14The PS3 price is just one thing. The PS3 also has shortages, a bad launch lineup, bugs (which every console has), waning 3rd party support, losing big name exclusive titles, delays, more delays, and a just all around horrible launch. Yeah, if the Wii and 360 changed prices thing would be different, but the PS3 still wouldn't be doing well. Also, stating the obvious here, but the Wii of course isn't worth $600 unless you have switched the hardware.
- Nitro187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Funny short story... I went to my local Futureshop today... the first "official" return day after Christmas. (The denied returns before today, due to it being busy for Boxing day sales and so fourth). When I went there, there were TWENTY FIVE PS3's already returned, behind the return desk; on top of that, there were 3 people in the lineup of about twelve, that had a PS3 in their hands, getting ready to return them.
28 returns, and I asked one of the sales reps if anyone returned a Wii... he said "Not one... and if one gets returned, I have a 10 people in staff alone that want it"
Can we see who the clear winner is between the two? - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You can buy them for $6 on monoprice.com, $2 on itrimming.com
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@zetsurin: You didn't meet your daily quota of 75 "Wiitard picture" posts on Digg!
- twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"as far as the wishes of gamers go, I know for sure that I wish to play games on the most powerful console out there. Sony delivered. As far as games go, the PS3 launch titles were one of the best bunch of launch titles ever available. Newsflash: launch titles suck. Perfect Dark Zero anyone?"
Are you kidding me? Unless you love Generic Racing Game 12 or random EA game that can be found on any other console, the PS3 launch lineup was fairly bad. The only decent launch game for it was Resistance, and even that game wasn't great (though not a bad launch game). The rest of the games were just boring, bad, and very buggy (and every game has bugs, these just had a lot of bugs)."
The Wii launch titles on the other hand were great. I constantly hear stories of people who had given up on games or never played games getting turned onto games by Wii Sports. Twilight Princess is easily in the top 5 games of the year and most people consider it the top 1 or 2. Rayman: Raving Rabbids is one of the most fun games I've ever played. Elebits is pretty crazy fun, reminding me of Katamari Damacy. And that's just the games I've played. Sure, the Wii had some bad launch titles, but all in all, it had great launch titles, definitely better than the PS3 launch titles.
"For $500 dollars you get a machine considerably more capable than the machine Microsoft offers for $400 (don't bring up the $300 tard pack. Really, it's an incomplete machine)."
So the $300 360 sucks but the cheap PS3 doesn't suck? You should have probably made that $600.
"The Wii is still a gamecube with a gimmick, in my eyes. There's really nothing on there that makes it worth purchasing..."
Gimmick? How do you like being suckered into buying the failing Blue-ray? So far, the Wii Remote has proved fun and even if developers don't wish to take advantage of that, there is still the Classic Controller to use. I know that DBZ: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 uses it and from what I hear Super Smash Bros: Brawl is going to use it.
"...at least not until the new Wii comes out in two years that might actually be a capable machine. Nintendo does love ripping people off but nobody complains about that."
Do you mean the Wii with DVD capabilities? That's the only planned improvement (and isn't still a rumor or not confirmed?), the Wii is going to stay the same power. If anything, it would be like the DS and DS lite, they both can play every game just as well as the other. As for the graphics, why do people keep saying the Wii has bad graphics? It has slightly better graphics than the Gamecube, but I don't think people remember that Gamecube does in fact have good graphics. Plus, the Wii discs have a larger capacity to allow for more texture room. One last point about that, a game doesn't need to look ultra realistic to be fun. I actually prefer stylized graphics to real looking games. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I'll digg you up but realize this. Does the wii freeze in displays? Does the ps3 have anything interesting for a launch title? Does the PS3 allow 4 people to interactively play tennis.
You have a good point, but I'd pay the premium for the wii - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Well Sony was right on the ball with this one, the next generation has in a way started when they said so. It just didn't turn out the way they wanted it to...
- spargo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Wii yes, PS3 only if it drops in price $300.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10dr Jekyll:
First of all, that's a bundle, not a bare unit. It's over $900. Surprised to find it is available?
Second of all, if you look at the page, it clearly says it isn't even available until 1/5/2007.
PS3s are not available anywhere online, except on eBay or in $900 bundles. Many people are not willing to pay $900 and aren't willing to buy off eBay.
http://ps3finder.com/
That does indicate demand is softer than it was, but demand for units at retail prices is still strong overall, even if some brick & mortar places have them sitting in stock in some areas.
I meantion again, PS3 has sold about parity with the Wii in absolute dollars. And both have outsold 360. That's a pretty good christmas.
By dollars I mean total money taken in selling PS3s (revenue) versus total money taken in selling Wiis. I am not referring to gross or net profit.
Let me put it more simply. People spent as much money on PS3s as on Wiis this Xmas. That indicates strong demand.
I do not believe PS3 would have sold at parity (in unit sales) with Wii if it weren't supply restricted. It simply costs too much for that. - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10What do you mean dollar for dollar? Remember, Nintendo makes money on every Wii sold and Sony loses money for every PS3. I think it's funny when people say the whole Wii outsold the PS3 2:1 thing shouldn't count because of the PS3 shortages. Sure, the PS3 *might* have sold just as many units if they had the same numbers as the Wii, but they didn't. That's like saying the Wii would easily come out on top if it had the power of the 360. Both of those comments are just as silly as any what if game.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7MouseCircus:
Losing money is the standard way of launching a console. Stop acting like Sony somehow invented it or is doomed for using it.
I don't really believe iSuppli's figures, since they were 30% off on a device I worked on personally and saw the cost sheets for. They said the device was being sold at a loss when it was being sold at a profit.
Despite this, I think Sony is still losing money on each PS3, just not as much as iSuppli says.
Anyway, if Sony decided to sell the PS3 at a loss, it's because in the long run, they thought that was a better idea that not selling it at all. So saying that PS3 selling well hurts Sony is ridiculous. Sony presumably has a plan for making this money back, and you can't say PS3 is a failure just because that plan doesn't come to fruition in 2 months. - AlexSuvorov, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10We know the wii outsold the ps3 because they shipped more at this time. How can something get slaughtered if it sells out, regardless if it happens to sit on a shelf for a day or two. If say, in a year the wii completely outsells the ps3 and gets a huge market share then all to them, but don't distort numbers from the first 2 months and prodict the next 6-8 years with it. Yes, I know people love the wii, it's innovative, fun, brings the family togeather and does it great but do you really need to distort numbers to make yourself feel better about it? You already have the system of your dreams. Anyone could technically say that the ps2 slaughtered the next gen in sales(wii, ps3, and 360) but you know it wouldn't be a fair comparason because there's only a certain amount shipped of the ps3 and wii, so it's hard to compare.
And it's time to get dugg down. - jefferson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Also Coca-Cola classic outsold New Coke
- porkmeat, on 10/12/2007, -16/+22This is not a fair comparison at all. These anti-Sony, anti-PS3 stories are getting boring.
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6HappyScrappy, actually as I remember it, I didn't really see Wii commercials until a week before the Wii came out. I actually see more commercials now then I did before it's release.
- twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I dug you down, but only because you chose to hit that caps lock key. Go be 13 somewhere else.
- IVIrMP3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I have a PS3 and I love it. At my store we haven't had a Wii returned yet. We had 4 PS3's returned today that I know about. A mother called in saying her son didn't like the system and if she could return it. Then we have to go through the process of wiping the drives of personal data before sending them back to Sony.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wii attacked its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE!
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7HDMI cables dont cost 100 bucks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812189054 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I agree with you acurism in that the PS3 did not sell as strongly as it could have because it was produced in such low numbers. Where I live, a PS3 is absolutely impossible to find. Saying that the Wii outsold the Playstation 3 by a factor of 2 to 1 is misleading since it doesn't take into account how many Wii's were produced versus the number of Wii's that were sold, same goes for the PS3. Finding either sitting on store shelves however is an anomaly in most areas.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"WOW, I am tired of people stating that the PS3 is not doing well."
Then call Sony and tell them to get their ***** together. - F9Phoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5you're just now realizing this? It's been like this for a couple months now. Digg is pretty close to being useless.
- twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I like Sony's technology, I don't like their attitude. They thought they can shove high technology down everyones throat and nobody would mind the bad games, shortages, bad PR, bugs, and everything on else on their long list because they're Sony. I love my PS2 and I'm going to be keeping it for a long time, but I do not see myself getting a PS3 until the price drops to *at least* $400 with a good library of games. As of right now, I don't see that happening for a while. Sony cannot afford to do a $200 price drop for a good long while and there aren't enough even interesting looking games exclusively for the PS3 to make me consider paying even $400 for the 60GB.
I love the Wii and I think it's a great machine, but I don't think it will come out on top. I think the year head start that the 360 has is going to give them a strong first with the Wii and PS3 close together but the Wii being on top. The PS3 just does not have anything good going for it at the moment. - aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@ff7jordan23
I was at a Wal-Mart (Stevens Point, WI, just in case you were wondering) on Christmas Eve, and they had 4 PS3's in stock! On the shelf (well, behind the locked glass). No Wii's in sight. By your logic, there should have been 8-12 Wii's on the shelves too.
Further evidence that the PS3 is NOT in-demand is their price on eBay. After a brief period of fanboyism, they have bottomed out at slightly above retail. The Wii is still going for $75-$125 above retail, and considering their $250 base cost, thats an impressive 50% above retail.
On a personal note, I got my hands on a Wii (EBGames connection....its who you know). I love it. My friend has a 360 and PS3. While the 360 is fun, the PS3 is vastly overrated. Yes it has good graphics. So what? Good graphics do not equate to good gameplay, which both the 360 and Wii have. Also, the 360 is probably better for me than the Wii. After 3 days of tennis I could barely move my arm on the fourth. I miss playing with buttons. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14You have to care, because your console you dropped 6-hundo on might be obsolete within 2 years.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Nightmare launch?
It's sold more units in the US and Japan than Xbox 360 did during its launch a year ago.
Nightmare?
You don't just look at overall units sold. If you look at that, then BMW is a loser company compared to Ford. You have to understand that a lower priced unit will sell better than a higher priced one.
How dare you say I intentionally mislead to prove a point? I just corrected the sales revenue numbers above to reflect reality even though it made PS3 look worse than the other figures. I above corrected the "2:1" Wii to PS3 sales figures as actually underestimating the gap. I said I think Wii would still outsell PS3 if PS3 were as available as Wii.
I'm not misleading by omission to prove a point at all. My point makes itself without needing to alter the situation.
PS3's units sales are good. PS3's revenue numbers (dollar sales) are good. Both are better (exclusive of Europe) as those of 360 a year ago, despite the higher prices. It's not a nightmare launch.
Now, if Sony's in a hole on PS3 profits right now, it's because they chose that outcome. In consoles, it seems you have to spend money to make money. We'll know better how well PS3 is doing in two years when it should be turning the corner to net profitability. - TricK2039, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3and they now hide display boxes in cages?
- Denver80203, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"considering how the PS3 had shortages!"
*****.
Last night I went the Best Buy to buy a HD-DVD player for the 360
_SOLD OUT_ They have at least 30 before Xmas.
12 PS3s on the shelf, one Guy standing the Bluray isle with one in his hands
Target:
No more HD DVD
1 PS3 on the shelf... this is the most popular target in Colorado.
Of Course, no Wii anywhere - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Once again, that's not the number you want to look at. If you want to look at how much money someone is making or losing on their console, you have to look at how much it costs to produce that product.
Lets say product b, Pb, retails for $7 and costs $8 to make and product a, Pa, retails for $3 and costs $1 to make.
Just looking at number sold as Rickler did you get:
Pa: $3 x 2,000,000 Pa = $6,000,000
Pb: $7 x 800,000 Pb = $5,600,000
Looking at this, it looks like even though Pb sold less, it's still doing just about as well as Pa and everything is good.
Now lets add in how much it cost to make the product:
Pa: $3 x 2,000,000 - $1 x 2,000,000 = $5,000,000
Pb: $7 x 800,000 - $8 x 800,000 = -$800,000
Now we see that even though Pb initially looks like it was doing well, it's actually still down money and Pa is still doing fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a mistake for Pb to sell for a loss, just don't throw some number together and leave out other important numbers to try and prove a point.
Like I said earlier, if you want to compare how the two consoles are selling, you want to use units sold. I know it doesn't look nearly as pretty for the PS3, but that's because the PS3 has had a nightmare launch. If you want to talk about money, then you have to consider how much the console is making or losing per console sold. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Selling the same as the Wii, dollar for dollar, isn't something you should proclaim so boastfully.
Nintendo made a profit on every single little dollar people spent on their Wiis, and on accessories. Even if Sony matched that amount, they're still not making a profit. Unless every single PS3 owner bought every single PS3 title, and accessory a hundred times over, Sony isn't making a profit. And won't be for a while. - mrn111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I believe that sales numbers are pretty irrelevant for the first 18 months of a console's life cycle, the relevancy of these early numbers lies in the game publishers. If I want to maximize the return on investment that my publishing house has made, I want to be able to sell the most copies of our games. Now taking the PS3 and Wii, for instance, it makes more financial sense for me to make a game that I can sell to an approximate 3 million installed base as opposed to a 1 million installed base. So while we can champion our favorite console's sales number, they don't mean squat if there is little to no support from the guys and gals that actually make the games. And after all, its all about the games. Isn't it?
- ldog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's just in console sales.
Now there are twice as many Wii owners that will be buying games. And the Wii owners actually have some money left over to buy them.
If I could've picked up a Wii at retail price without waiting in line, I would have. - SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Doh ...Wi had more for sale ....maybe a ratio of 2:1 perhaps? Doesn't take a genius or a stupid teenage Digg title to figure this out.
- freshgrease, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The reason (besides there were hardly any left for mommies and daddies to get) PS3 didn't sell as much in the few weeks that it was out was because mommies and daddies don't know ***** about gaming and when it comes down to buying a $250, $3-400, or $600 system they are going to buy the cheapest because they have limited resources and more people to buy for. If I were a parent I wouldn't buy one for my kid at that price. I'll buy one for myself sometime 2nd quarter 07 as soon as all the money that I spent on other people's Christmases comes back to me.
Most university students such as myself cant afford a $600 bill on top of omputers, tuition, rent, and books. I can get one, but it'll cost me a months pay.....and I really want one for Bluray for my new Samsung 23" HDTV my parents generously gave me for Christmas. - cyclonesworld, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I was at Wal-mart picking some stuff up tonight and decided to check electronics for the hell of it. They had several PS3's sitting behind the glass and no Wii's. They had less Xbox 360's than PS3's also. In fact one of the PS3 boxes looked like it had a sticker on it at one point that was torn off because the box was slightly damage. Having worked at Walmart for over 2 years I know that that box damage was most likely from a return label that was removed.
I'm not a fanboy by no means but seriously it seems not many people want the PS3. It seems like it's going to go the route of the PSP, a fantastic system that nobody wants. -
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