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- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -8/+44LIVE, amazing graphics, Halo 3, great controller, high definition. Must I continue?
- timpkmn89, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42As of now, 89% of those polled plan to get a Wii.
And people thought Nintendo would get 3rd place in this console war... - phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33E3 sure changed things for a lot of people. Just look at the huge difference between this poll (listed in the article): http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/23/poll-results-next-gen-combo-platters/ and the results from the new one.
Doing some rough math from the poll, about 22% of people say that they're going to get a PS3 in any of the combinations as apposed to the wii's 76% and 360's 56%. Of course not everybody will get their voted console combination... its just a poll, but it definately shows how different things have become in the last few months. - opnickc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28How exactly did the PS1 revolutionize video games? It didn't bring anything new to the table (cd systems weren't something new), and also wasn't the most powerful system if its generation.
Oh yeah, it was A.cheaper than the sega saturn and B. more developer friendly than the N64.
Fast forward a decade, and look at the PS3. It's the most expensive system, and the least developer friendly.
As far as the PS2, it was a good system. I used mine until the "Disk Read Error" got the better of me.
You must be joking about the PSP though. What exactly do you mean by most advanced? Multimedia capabilities? No, the GP2X has much better media features. Games? What games? Battery life? No. Oh, the CPU. An underclocked emotion engine. Whoopty-frickin-doo. Sorry, but I don't see why anybody is willing to pay $250 for a crippled portable media device that plays PS2 games.
Before you accuse me of being a fanboy, let me state that I don't own a DS, I like(d) my PS2 way more than my gamecube, and I don't have an Xbox. This isn't some fanboy rant, it's the way things are. Deal with it. - cyberfelon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@oGMo: You can't just ignore the price. I agree that the PS3 would be awesome at $299, but it's not. If Sony has packed that much extra expensive ***** in there that it costs $599, that means that effectively EVERYTHING is wrong with the PS3. Just because Sony is taking a loss on every unit sold doesn't mean that I should feel privileged to own one, it just shows that Sony needs to know when to draw the line when adding components to their console.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25@oGMo
real smart. as in so smart those reasons could apply to the 360 just as well. - wjglenn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Heh. If you build a state of the art computer, the cost of a video card alone will hit $600.
I just recently bought an Xbox 360 and I have to say, it's a great system. Runs beautifully. I love being able to have different profiles for members of my family. Xbox Live is very nicely done. And as a media center extender, it runs flawlessly. Everyone in the family - me, both my kids, and my wife - love the thing, and that doesn't happen with most electronic toys I bring into the house. It functions as game console, DVD, gives access to hundreds of our albums, home videos, pictures, plus runs at 1080i and looks just wonderful on the plasma. The wireless controllers are comfortable and really do work 30 feet away without a glitch.
Am I a fanboy? No. But I did buy it and do like it, and it's a natural extension of our mostly PC household network.
The PS3 will also be great and do many of these things. But frankly, I was ready for a new console now. I also doubt that they will handle the media extension as well - especially for someone that already uses a media center PC. Also, I've been a little peeved about Sony's politics lately. The latest bit about trying to build their licensing so that we can't sell and buy used games? Ridiculous. Really, I'm not sure I want a sony console on my network.
The Wii also sounds like a really fun machine. They've done a lot right this time around - not the least of which is marketing. I don't think it will deliver everything that my family needs, so it's not really a primary choice for me. But I'd sure like to play with one.
Really, though, this fanboy nonsense is just too old to be funny anymore. What the hell is wrong with having three great consoles out? And why are people so defensive about their own choices that they have to come down on everyone else's? - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22If nothing else, Live alone is very nearly worth the price of admission.
And this is coming from a Steve Jobs-idolizing, Wii anticipating, unapologetic Apple/Nintendo fanatic. Praise that high for something from Microsoft from *me* is unheard of. - phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24Thats what I said.
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21As I see it, the orginal gamers (ones like myself) who have been gaming since even before the first NES, see nintendo as the original big dog. These gamers have played everything from the pc games to all the consoles, to even the arcades (when they use to be big). It is these gamers that are typically fans of the Wii for many reasons, not just the retro gaming aspect. So if you are to say that nintendo fans are just teenage fanboys you would be wrong. The true teenage fanboys are the ps3 fanboys as the ps1 was first popular with the kids who would be in their early teens right about now.
PS3 fanboys are by far the worst, illogical, non reasoning fanboys of all.... mostly because of their age sadly. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+35Or, a different explanation:
People who are more likely to go on the internet and visit a gaming blog site like Joystiq (though popular in some circles, it is certainly not mainstream) are more likely to buy a Nintendo console (or an Apple computer, as many people on Digg clearly show). Meanwhile, the public at large, the ones who drive the industry far more than the hardcore and/or geek segment, will probably stick with their brand name of choice -- PlayStation.
Additionally, now that this poll has been posted to the front page of Digg, a site whose readership favors Nintendo (and Apple...) in far larger proportions than the general population, will skewer these results further into Nintendo's favor. - mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18oGMo: Just to answer what you asked the public before, I had both a PS1 and PS2 at launch. Yes, people do actually buy consoles at launch. But you have to remember at launch you just don't buy the system alone. What would be the point? The cost for a PS3 w/games accessories will probably end up $800-900 ... that's with tax, another (silly "motion") controller for $40-50, a couple games that will definitely be $60 each, and another misc things like HD cables or upgraded warranties... It's not just the console that's expensive, it's everything else that you need for it as well.
Sure, it's a cheap Blu-ray player, but looking back on Sony's record (Betamax, MiniDisc, SACD, UMD)... I'm not betting on Blu-ray at this point. To be honest, I was upset at Sony's promises with the PS2 and the nail in the coffin was the dropped support for the HDD. They're not leading, creating or innovating... seems like they're following mostly Xbox 360s model (XBLive, Marketplace, controller design) with a little taste of the Wii-mote in the same controller. Not impressed. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21i still think the 360 will be the bext overall console for the "next generation"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"the PS3 might come out early, etc. "
Ah ha ha ha ha.
Oh, wait. You're serious! - LittleOni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@oGMo
Look. High capacity disks are well and good, if they're going to be utilized fully. The Blue Ray, as far as that is concerned is nice for gaming, but is completely asinine for movies. Add on the fact that they decided to make it compatible with the Duo Stick memory cards (something that will be necessary for taking your bragging rights to a friend's house), compact flash compatible, Wi-Fi support, HDMI ready only for the $600 version, and you start to see where Sony is 'screwing the pooch'. Just because they have a decent launch library doesn't mean that it makes the thing worthy of my $600. Virtua Fighter 5 will kick ass, and it kills me that I'll have to wait for either Sega to put it on the 360 a few months down the road, or when the $600 PS3 hits about 350 before I'll consider it. Gran Turismo 5 is going to be amazing, but without force feed back (something that the game made practically a necessity on the last one) the game is going to lose a lot of fans (sacrificing force feedback because they refuse to pay Immersion what they are due is just another notch in Sony's lack of ability to swallow their pride). MGS4 is going to be a great game, as well, but honestly, the way the last few have been, I'll wait until Kojima releases a version for the 360 that has a ton of extra stuff in it, or I'll wait for a severe price drop on the console. The Ratchet and Clank team, the Shadow of Colossus guys, Peter Jaffey, they all have some really great ***** coming to the PS3, but you know what? Sony has made a lot of average and hardcore gamers think twice since after E3 with both the price point and their cavalier attitude about why we'll buy into what they have to sell us.
The simple fact of the matter is this: Sony developed Blue-Ray for one reason, to attempt to force an unneeded change in the format market (mini-disc, beta max, UMD, any of this ring a bell?). They want to be able to make it so that the movie and gaming industry comes to them for their pressed formats. The problem is, we don't need it. DVDs might not hold 25 gigs, but they hold enough for most games (but completely useless for movies unless someone plans on having every possible interlaced and progressive scan version of a movie on one disc...). Hi Def is overrated. It's pretty, but because of the amount of information that has to be processed before it hits the screen, it can many times lead to slower gameplay. Honestly, until HD becomes standardized, it's pointless for Sony to try and pull this sort of ***** on its consumer base. HD TVs are still entirely too expensive for the average family, let alone the average gamer, in my opinion. What they hope is that their name alone will leverage them into some sort of power position, and they are using the PS3 as a "cheap" way to do it. I think it's a bad move, and apparently I'm not alone. Quite frankly, until it gets to the point to where I'm changing from DVD disc one to DVD disc two (of four), I'm not going to sweat it (PC gamers have done it forever, we all did it on the PS1, and survived it just fine, and we've yet to do it on the PS2). So far the consensus seems to be (here, in Japan, Europe, and most everywhere else) that Sony is asking way too much for what everyone perceives as a gaming machine (no matter what Kurtagari says it is) and it's going to burn them for quite a while. Let the early adopters suffer for us first, they'll have earned it. I, on the other hand, am patient enough to wait it out (didn't get an Xbox until six months ago...and even then I only had a few games in mind for it: Ninja Gaiden Black, Breakdown, Fable: Lost Chapters, and Panzer Dragoon Orta...all I need now is Psychonaughts and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, and I'll have all I care to have for it...). - SniperX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Another way to read this, number of people actually planning to get each system (regardless of combination) who took place in this poll:
(sum up all votes for each particular system)
Wii- 7226
360- 5108
PS3- 1854 - gadgetophile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14oGMo, If you pretend the PS3 is $299, you have to also pretend the 360 is $200, and the Wii is $150, with massive catalogues of games for both. Shows clearly why I'd pick a Wii60 package over a single PS3.
- maklershed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16swimmingbird67 said: "why would anyone want a 360?"
Hmm .. maybe for the performance, games, media center extender capabilities, xbox live, a price tag lower than $500, etc. - redneckblues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Yes, but what if the other consoles are cheaper now, and create sufficient marketshare. The Xbox 1 never recovered from that.
- balloot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Sony could coat the outside of the PS3 with solid gold, and it would then be a steal if it "only" cost a few thousand dollars. But that doesn't mean I should be honored to only have to spend a few thousand to play VIDEO GAMES.
Sony has basically decided to add a bunch of crap that doesn't have anything to do with video games to their video game console, driving up the cost. Most people who are buying PS3 don't care about or want a Blu-Ray player, so the fact that they're getting one for "only" $200 extra doesn't seem like such a steal. Sony has made a huge, huge mistake. - triforcer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15haven't played a 360, but the xbox was a solid system and the 360 seems to be an extension of that quality. they just need to get japanese developers aboard with them.
- viperic5, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18It seems to me that Sony has some kind of cult following or something... alot of them are not true gamers because they all walk around saying "Nintendo and Microsoft both suck, Sony is like God man" ... Sony "fanboys" are the worst "fanboys" in the world ...
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I hope everybody here realises that a poll on a gaming website is not statistically representative of the population *at all*. The sampling from the population is not uniform, infact the population of gaming website would be slightly biased because they are likely to be more "hardcore" than your average guy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Why do gaming companies care so much about Japan? Japan is only the THIRD largest market for gaming behind the U.S. and Europe and once China gets into counsels then it will be a farther forth. FPS and GTA are the number one selling games and Japanese did not buy either of these.
Sony needs the U.S. to buy PS3s. Japan will not save Sony alone. MS doesn't need Japan if they can carry the U.S. and Europe which I think the case may be. - faulkner, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16i'm sorry to be the first to tell you, but puns were old the day the name came out.
- PFS1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7From TFA: "While there's the Wii60 console combo, will PlayStation 3 owners pony up the extra cash for a Wii? With a finite amount of entertainment dollars going to next-gen consoles, it could be argued that every extra dollar spent on a PS3 is one less being spent on another console like the Wii. So, what's it gonna be ..."
That's what you call biasing a poll, right there. Now, I think people are already pretty biased one way or the other about this situation, so the poll is probably still pretty dead-on popular opinion...but still, I can't see how a poll can claim to be legitimate whatsoever when it spend two paragraphs drawing people's attention to certain packages over others before letting people get down to vote.
Regardless of how much it affected the results, that's pretty damn irresponsible. - KopyKat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I've always been a Nintendo fan and I'm very happy to see this
- knyphe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@LittleOni
Lots of good points, take this into consideration...
Yes, Sony is the host to many failures in disc formats (other companies are victim to this i.e. Nintendo's performance these last two console wars (even though I loved both systems, sales show that everyone else did not very much) & the numerous failures that befalls MS from time to time; it's kind of what companies do to succeed and find the winning formula.)
A question that arises often is do we need hd/blu-ray? Okay, MS is supporting "allegedly" true-HD gaming too, so how is this any different? Sony is taking a risk while the others are playing it cool (many would say this is a good move, but how mad will you be if blu-ray hits HARD and you have to turn around and buy the new XBOX (3?) that takes advantage of blu-ray because the 360 wasn't good enough? As mad as a Sony customer would be if blu-ray tanked.) Consider the fact that Sony succeeded with similar risks once before. For example, PS1 (cartridge vs. cd). Survey says, cartridge was not good enough, even with better graphics, Nintendo couldn't topple the success of Sony. PS2 (DVD vs. Dreamcast Format). Survey says, there are a lot of p'd off Dreamcast owners (I remember people were saying who crappy the PS2 was gonna be back then. All the fanboy attention almost made me buy the Dreamcast. Funny...). PS3 (Blu-Ray vs. "true-HD"/non-HD gaming), right now it seems that it's a hard sell, but don't be surprised if they pull the rug from under your feet and dominate as they have in the past IN THE GAMING REALM (that is to contrast the non-essential comments regarding Sony's non-home console endeavors).
Most of your points dealt with the PS3 price, like you complimented each game saying basically 1. hope it comes to 360 or 2. hope the PS3 drops in price. I won't lie, a cheaper console will make us all happy (and cheaper games too).
I would argue the other points, but it's kinda 3 in the morning and yeah... - knyphe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@ilyag
You are right and you know what, a better show of what the gen pop will buy is probably something on the more popular websites amongst internet goers (Yahoo/Google search results, My Space poll, etc.) just to reiterate the statement you made. Oh and don't mod me down because I said anything positive toward sony. - admirabumblebee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Cmon now, even a dog knows if you dig(g) long enough you'll run into some old *****..
(I hear the silence..) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I'm all for fantastic visuals, but I do prefer a more immersive (and most of all fun) gaming experience. There will be great games on the PS3 (like FF), but I just think the Wii's will be better, given how they've gone about designing and pushing the Wii's capabilities to game developers.
I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, but the Wii is just more attractive to me right now, in terms of features, games, and price. - cyberfelon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Click [reply] at the bottom-right of the comment.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Metabolife, they showed FFXIII at E3. I like Square's games, but not enough to fork over $500 for the console. Apparently most gamers agree.
- zumpiez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Selling a lot of units is revolutionary?
- Magadass, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11WTH man it cost 600 freakin bucks!!! I mean seriously!!! In this day and age electronics just dont cost that damn much...Unless you build a state of the art computer but then again this isnt a computer its a freaking game console! Sony just doesnt learn!!
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I hate fanboys.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You know, I'm not looking forward to the Wii and PS3 coming out so I can play the games so much as I just want the daily speculation to just die and be done with.
- pivotal, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Wii60! Good point timp, you could say in fact Microsoft misjudged it partially, Sony misjudged it totally, and Nintendo got it right. Games not features people!
- psycocoffey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@althe3rduww
The PlayStation was launched in the USA on September 9, 1995.
Today is May 29, 2005.
Lets say that mid teens is 15 years old.
for someone to have been a Sony fan boy since the PlayStation 1 came out,
they would have been 5 at the time. - pdiddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@psycocoffey
>The PlayStation was launched in the USA on September 9, 1995.
>Today is May 29, 2005.
How has nobody noticed the glaring mistake in this math ;p - psycocoffey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ Lososaurus
all sources directly from companies
The PSP stats come from
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatapsp_e.html
The DS stats come from
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/report/Earnings_Release0603F.pdf
Page 30 - MrObjectional, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I saw this earlier today.
2% answered they were going to get a PS3 and Xbox360. Compare that to the other figures and mission accomplished Nintendo. - happyfundave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7One thing i dont think anybody has been considering is what if the PS3 tanks. Yeah it will sell to the fanboys but the question is will it sell to anyone else. If sales drop off for the PS3 a few months after launch cause people are buying cheaper systems I dont think they will ever recover.
Case and point, a friend of mine who is a bit more of a casual gamer has been holding out for a PS3 not really knowing anything about it other then "i'm sure it will be cool". When i told him it was going to be $600 and $500 for the tard pack he didn't believe me. After confirming with the guy at gamestop he walked home with a 360 in hand. - Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4these numbers mean nothing. the mass of early teen dorks voting on joystiq can't scrape together the money necessary to buy any of these systems- it'll all come down to what their parents get them for christmas :P
as for me, a person who actually HAS disposable income.. i will be buying a ps3 and a wii :d - SwiftX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm definitely getting the Wii, but I think the story will flip again with the PS3 and the 360 (meaning I'll have to get a ps3)
If any of you are like me, which I know not all of you are (since I hate halo ... which means 360 got nothing for me) Then you'll want games like Final Fantasy , MGS4, DMC3, GT5 and other games that come from Japan, guess what unless Sony really screws that up too, they will still get 33% of the market (I'm guessing 66% will go to the Wii) and with the publishers going big on these graphics it won't go to Wii. Also looking at history of these being Sony exclusive (or at least first releases) It might change the tune of the polls.
I've followed Final Fantasy and MGS before (from Nintendo to Sony) if it stays I'll buy.
if these titles goes 360 only .. then I'll succumb to Bill's group .... even though I don't want to - ghettoiam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4msafi said: "This doesn't mean Wii + 360 is the preferred package. It simply means PS3 is gonna suck."
This was modded as a +6 !!!
How is that even a marginally insightful comment? It's just fanboy fodder being moderated by fanboys. The lack of objectivity and maturity in dealing with next-gen console war online is very disappointing. It almost seems as though an "intelligent discussion about gaming" is an oxymoron. - knyphe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@ mike p
Just a question concerning how the PS3 controller stole anything from the 360. there is a button in the middle that may have similar features as the 360 middle button. they have the R2/L2 plastic supports lower, i guess you would say that's like the 360's Right and Left Trigger (which they so didn't steal the idea of having four shoulder buttons from Sony). And the controller is wireless, lets not forget that now. I understand the Wiimote/PS3 comparison (rather not comment on that flamewar), but if anything, the PS3 controller looks pretty much the same as the PS and PS2 controller AND look at who came first. Are you forgetting that the design of the Xbox controller is basically their itteration of the Dreamcast and PlayStation controller?
Anyways, just funny to me how they are seen as stealing from Xbox controller design when they used design principles from Sony in the first place.
damn, psycocoffey replied 10 mins before me, but read mine too. - ghettoiam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As "ilyag" said at the top, this poll isn't indicative of anything as a whole. Joystiq has readership that bashes the PS3 and loves Nintendo. If you don't believe me, just read the readers comments on any Sony or Nintendo related post.
Slashdot.org on the other hand has a healthy diverse readership. For starters, it's not a gaming site, rather the most widely read technology site that has a small gaming section. Coming out of E3 they had a poll asking where you'd spend your money: The results were as follows:
PS3: 15%
Wii: 51%
Xbox 360: 10%
Other: 22%
http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1341&aid=-1
As the poll indicates, due to its cheaper price and innovative controller it has appeal to the gamer and non-gamer alike. But also, the poll indicates that 3 to 2, people are more interested in the PS3 than the 360, even with its higher price. Slashdot certainly isn't read by the average consumer, but it certainly is more indicative of the average consumer than Joystiq. - psycocoffey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@imightbewrong
Actualy, the PS1 also broke the 100million mark :-)
some other fun units sold facts to date:
Game boy/advanced - 120 million
PS2 - 103.6 million
Playstation - 102 million
NES - 60 million
SNES - 49 million
Genesis - 35 million
N64 - 32 million
Atari 2600 - 25 million
Xbox - 22 million
game Cube - 20.61 million
PSP - 17.03 million
DS - 16.6 million
Xbox360 - 3.2 million - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10I'm so tired of shooters and racing sims that my gaming life is in a funk. Is there nothing original left??? I'm hoping Wii can reinvigorate me with a fresh new approach. It's worth my $250 or so to find out.
BTW, is it just me, or is Halo the most overrated game of all time? I wore that game out 10+ years ago. Of course at the time it was called Marathon, and Bungie was fresh, independent, and much-loved...
How long can Microsoft milk that tired cow? -
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