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- slicecom, on 12/29/2008, -114/+462PS3's only problem is the initial price.
360, even with the recent price drops still costs more than PS3 when you add Wifi (who except hardcore gamers have an ethernet cord running to the back of their TV?), $50 per year for Xbox Live, additional accessories such as proprietary headsets and HDD's etc... but the average customer sees the initial price and impulse purchases it. It’s a brilliant marketing move on Microsoft’s part, and the main reason the 360 is outselling PS3 in the US. - soccerman90, on 12/29/2008, -9/+234"Personally, I thought the social stuff was a little stupid until my nephew destroyed me in Wii bowling while playing 3,000 miles away. Now I get it."
huh? - LucerinRed, on 12/30/2008, -0/+176yeah, no internet play on wii sports.
- SfOwnsLa, on 12/30/2008, -1/+164Wii bowling has no online play, so either he's high or just ***** it.
- OkCyDe, on 12/30/2008, -4/+146According to this article you can play Wii Bowling online??
- Chooxo, on 12/30/2008, -2/+136Perhaps they compared scores over the phone.
Or something. - somesthetic, on 12/30/2008, -15/+147Why the hell should I care if PS3 isn't selling as well as the 360 or Wii?
I play videogames, not the stock market. - atm259, on 12/30/2008, -31/+1571. It's overpriced
2. Lack of exclusive games
3. Minimal modern touches (i.e. social features)
4. It's being significantly out-marketed by the competition
5. The user experience is somewhat burdensome
6. Don't forget the Internet
The main points. - Hetman, on 12/29/2008, -8/+134I agree with you. I own a 360 and would love to buy a ps3. Unfortunatly I do not have the cash at this time. Here is where microsoft is winning though. Take for example my cousin. He is not an online gamer yet and he does not care about HD. And really with a memory card he does not even care about a hard drive. My uncle was able to get a 360 for 199$ with kung fu panda for christmas. My cousin who is 8 really loves it and does not care about its downfalls. Eventually he will probably want a hard drive and wifi etc. But by then it could be a year down the road so you are capable of spreading out the cash so initially it is a better buy for some people.
- ashthecarcrash, on 12/30/2008, -16/+126I used to be a total Wii supporter, but now...if someone were to ask for mine in exchange for a PS3, I'd jump at the chance. The Wii shouldn't even be considered a competitor against Xbox and PS3 anymore, it's more like an 'electronic lifestyle fitness family fun thing'.
I don't know what I would class it as, but certainly not a Videogame console. Not anymore. At least the PS3 has some nice game now and upcoming. Please, please highlight 2009 games that are coming for the Wii. I can't think of, or find out about any. - Mot13, on 12/30/2008, -2/+101since when is an ethernet cable hardcore?
- inactive, on 12/30/2008, -12/+105At the risk of getting buried I like my PS3. I still use my PC for some games but the PS is a good console.
- protogenxl, on 12/29/2008, -2/+94That's because Microsoft was very smart in their initial planing the took Direct X and made it a core part of the Xbox. Therefore a developer company can take a game written for the PC and port it to the Xbox very easily and vice versa. This reduces development cost significantly.
- MaTT2011, on 12/30/2008, -15/+106The "if you add lots of stuff to it" argument isnt exactly a valid one.
You dont need ANY of the things you just mentioned to PLAY GAMES. People looking to buy a gaming system just want to know one thing; how much will it cost till i can play the games?
So lets not delude ourselves into thinking that the ps3 is "losing" because it just has so much more to offer; its just not offering what people want (a reasonable price and a large library of solid games). - SkippyDoorknob, on 12/30/2008, -20/+108Home isn't the PS3 equivalent of Live Gold. Home is not needed for playing games online.
- RedHawk911, on 12/29/2008, -25/+112Because the price on the PS3 is to high....
Not because of "Minimal modern touches (i.e. social features), Lack of exclusive games, The user experience is somewhat burdensome" - piratearggghhh, on 12/30/2008, -15/+95The PS3 is very successful for Sony: It won the format war so its main purpose is served. Sony made a conscious decision to make some sacrifices.
- CarzorStelatis, on 12/29/2008, -55/+124Or that, when it comes to online service (ie the Xbox Live subscription), consumers realise that you get what you pay for. How's your utopian free Playstation Home coming along?
- mstachiw, on 12/30/2008, -20/+87I bought a PS3 for following reasons:
-Better hardware, More reliable too - Everyone I know whose owned a 360 had to either send it out for repair or a disc with a ring burnt into it
-Potentially better graphics (this is really up to the developer though)
-Exclusives I care about (Team Ico, Little Big Planet, MGS4)
-Bluray player / Home Theatre - Big Movies on HD how with minimal compression artifacting and closer-to-print resolution
-Own Wii since launch and got PS3 for MGS4 which is good timing because Wii's gone downhill for many Nintendo fans since last E3
-Free online (though might be left up to 3rd party too) Warhawk, Burnout, LOTR Conquest demo... I'm not that big into online play, I'm even less big on paying for it - Raist999, on 12/30/2008, -5/+70I have both a PS3 and a 360. The 360 excels at its social abilities to link up with friends, join matches and party line chat (8ppl is cool) The 360 paddle is also a LOT better than the PS3 dualshock. All that being said, I like the PS3 a lot and have been using it more lately. Home is nice and hopefully will evolve into something useful.
btw 1 PS3 since launch, 3rd 360 in 2.5 years. Glad to have both systems. - eastsoccer19, on 12/29/2008, -3/+64Well also, 360 has a much larger game library (although they are not all quality) than the PS3. Many people see this and they only think about have freedom of choice when it comes to what they will be playing.
- tault, on 12/29/2008, -8/+62I personally still think it wasnt the price at first that hurt it. However it was that the 360 came out first. What that did was get all the people with the higher incomes to spend their money on the 360. Then those people already have a console and most people dont see a point in getting a 360 and a PS3. Its more of one or the other, as exclusives are becoming less and less. Now the people without higher incomes are seeing the 360 and the PS3 and now the price difference is coming into play.
- Jazzzzz, on 12/29/2008, -51/+104Netflix for Xbox makes it a no brainer over the PS3
- FredFredrickson, on 12/30/2008, -18/+69Obviously, he was just saying that PSN is not a good replacement for XBL.
- t.toe, on 12/30/2008, -9/+54If you're serious about gaming, you don't really want to be using Wifi in the first place The difference between using wifi and Ethernet when playing an FPS online is staggering!
Then again, the phrase, "serious about gaming," is kind of a pathetic thing to say... why should you be serious about something that's meant for fun? I revoke my comment. - biergutlol, on 12/30/2008, -5/+47what a retarded article
- cthellis, on 12/30/2008, -19/+61Why, in the last of Steam, are people so ***** PROUD to pay for basic online connectivity? It never ceases to amaze me.
- bertram, on 12/30/2008, -3/+43sub-par quality? it ain't blu-ray, but it's another nice-to-have option when you are looking for something to do on a tuesday night and you can see a movie you wanted to see and be watching it in under 3 minutes.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -27/+66Sony needs to lower the cost of the PS3. Why do you think MGS4 sold so poorly? Because nobody wants to spend that much money on a system that has so few good games on it.
And why are there so few good games on it? No publisher in their right mind is going to make a PS3 game. Squenix told Sony "No" on a Final Fantasy game for the PS3, because Sony refused to lower the price of their console, so Squenix isn't going to spend money making a game that isn't going to sell. - Barnolde, on 12/30/2008, -7/+43Lack of exclusive games? What is this, 2006?
It's base model is $400, double the 360's cheapo model's price.
Not to mention Sony was retarded by selling a $500 model with a year old game. I love Uncharted, but it's a year old, why couldn't they bundle LittleBigPlanet or MotorStorm: Pacific Rift (which got no love at all). Hell, they had the biggest movie on Blu-ray and aside from a 2 second glimpse on that mural commercial, they did nothing with it.
I paid $400 for my PS3 a year ago and don't regret it at all, but the economy hasn't gotten better and people like to be cheap. People keep spreading doom and gloom about PS3 and the console's sales were worse than last year, but that's just in the US and I'm having a great time with it (fun fact: unless you're an investor, sales don't equate to fun); it's the perfect all-in-one machine for me and I don't need a 360 or Wii. - Chooxo, on 12/30/2008, -4/+40Needs more grizzled space marine shooters.
- evil-doer, on 12/30/2008, -4/+38shouldnt this be called "HOW the Wii and Xbox are killing Sony's PS3"?
the article doesnt say why, it says how.
and no im not blaming the submitter. its the title of the story itself. - whatthefu, on 12/29/2008, -16/+49I think it might also because Xbox Live has been a consistently good service, and often games give it great exclusive downloadable content.
- cocktaco, on 12/30/2008, -6/+38WE SHOULD TOTALLY HANG OUT!!!!!
- inactive, on 12/30/2008, -10/+42The price was indeed the MAIN problemp, but not the only one.
The PS3 is crazily difficult and time-consuming to make the most of for programmers, because of the weird architecture. In a world where publishers and developers alike were increasingly complaining about the cost of games sky-rocketing, it was a dumb move not to make the PS3 more "standard" than the PS2 was. Especially since it doesn't even serve retro-compatibility, that went to the trash.
PS3 had many small problems apart from the price, each one keeping a certain population of gamers away from it for a different reason. Some people wouldn't buy it unless the controller featured built-in vibrations (you bet), some people wouldn't buy it if it wasn't able to play PS2 games, some people wouldn't buy it because the game they were looking forward to lost its exlusivity to Sony, etc etc. When all of this adds up, that makes a lot of people reluctant to buy a PS3.
Plus now I wonder if it wouldn't be too late for a massive price-cut, since there's still not enough solid games.
And they lost Phil Harrison... What a bunch of c*cks... - inactive, on 12/30/2008, -6/+37if you "NEED" all of those things you wouldn't be buying the base model would you?, for those wanting just to play games the base model is sufficient and alot cheaper than the base ps3
- BloodWenis, on 12/30/2008, -8/+39I think the biggest problem is leadership. Sony has always had this 'We Know Best' attitude. Sony doesn't give a ***** about the consumer; we are going to get what we are given. Lack of features (or superfluous ones), price point, proprietary hardware, integration, Sony will do it their way. (to a fault it seems)
MS, while far from the kings of customer service and all things good, have created the antithesis of the PS3. It's getting cheaper and cheaper and more attractive to less and less hardcore gamers. It integrates easily within your home network, streams a ton of media formats. It has a vastly superior store with TV / Video / Rentals / XBLA that gets updated all the time. (Side note: The Wii store is *****) It adds things like Netflix integration instead of shoving business models down our throats about how their own movie rentals are adequate enough for the consumer. The online multi-player works well enough.
Technically whatever edge the PS3 has over the 360 doesn't equate into sales and or performance. Maybe it isn't that great, or maybe the damn thing is such a pain in the ass to develop for and it hasn't been fully utilized yet. While the PS3 is still a great Blu-Ray player, and Blu-Ray sales are jumping, I don't think it will ever come to fruition with online services slowly taking hold.
Oh yeah exclusives and all that... - Benno, on 12/30/2008, -16/+46I would buy a PS3 if Sony were still a good company rather than being leaders in the anti-consumer front. In the past 20 years sony went from making quality electronics to making average at best junk, relying on their brand to sell it. Sony has two goals, first to remove the rights of first sale and fair use with restrictive (if not harmful) DRM, and the second is to become a pseudo high-end brand like Bose. If you haven't seen them, a "Sony Style Store" looks like the unholy union of a sharper image, apple store, and a starbucks.
Sometime after the PS2 was created Sony must have laid off a bunch of engineers and replaced them with accountants, lawyers, and marketers. Great for business, bad for the customer. - andersw, on 12/30/2008, -0/+30If you look at this list, you can see some of the reason you can't think of any good games for the Wii in 2009.
http://www.infendo.com/all/the-10-most-anticipated ...
It's because it's hardly any. I own all three consoles, so no fanboy here. Okami was the last good game I've played on the Wii, after that it has basically collected dust. - noangelcame, on 12/30/2008, -2/+31you called it a 'paddle',.. that's so cute.
- Azerael, on 12/30/2008, -6/+33Console with the highest install base and game : console ratio gets the good exclusives and developer support.
- HolyChimp, on 12/30/2008, -1/+28They're all good choices. If my parents bought me a 360 when I was a teenager I'd be happy, but I'd also be happy with a PS3 or a Wii. With games consoles as gifts you really can't lose. The tricky part is the games you bought to go with it ;)
- evil-doer, on 12/30/2008, -5/+30too.
The word is too. - johnroth, on 12/30/2008, -12/+37^^^^ I agree! Steam is perfect! It outclasses Xbox Live and the PSN in every way.
- Shaggy6ster, on 12/30/2008, -2/+26is there a stand alone wii bowling game that has online play? i have no idea.
- V3NOM, on 12/30/2008, -4/+28Why are people digging you down?
People, all he did was list the main points from the article. - coheedcollapse, on 12/30/2008, -1/+25Agreed. I have all three consoles and I use the PS3 most by far. Following that, I play the 360 a lot, followed by the incredibly far in third place Wii.
Weird. My console preferences are like the console sales numbers reversed.
Of course, I game on the PC more than I game on all of them, but we're talking about consoles. - HalsMyPal, on 12/30/2008, -1/+24he responded in the comments to this. but yes i scratched my head too at it.
"RE: Playing bowling online--I should have clarified that we didn't play in real time but that our Mii's were able to see each others scores through the networking." - TVarmy, on 12/30/2008, -2/+25The problem is that this initial price bias kept away customers in the beginning, which had a snowball effect. As Sony traditionally relies on third parties, poor initial sales is a bad thing, as third parties make games for the system which has the biggest market in their demographic. A lack of good games kept people from buying the PS3, and most of the best ones are available on both the PC and Xbox 360, which play the games better because less time was spent porting them as the developer's felt it was less important for a system with fewer users. Also, since online gaming maters these days, Microsoft was smart to set up their own, separate network early on rather than just saying, "Here's an ethernet adapter, go nuts," as this means the PS3 can't play with Xbox 360 owners. People will want the more popular system that more of their friends are on, so there's another problem.
Personally, I think Sony needs to take a different angle than gaming for the PS3 to start selling. Microsoft has won over the hardcore/shooter/traditional mainstream market, and Nintendo has gone for the casual market. If I were Sony, I'd try to make the PS3 the multimedia extender of choice, devoting time and energy to making it dead simple and useful. Dedicate the Core processor to transcoding video when not playing a game, so that people don't need to worry about video formats, and work out deals with media companies to get several streaming video services available. Then, follow that with a case redesign so that it's shaped like a regular piece of AV equipment, and possibly even change the name, and advertise it as having "PS3 compatibility." With wireless controllers, they can get away with it. A DVR version would also be nice.
Granted, that's probably more work than Sony would want to go through, and they sell PS3s at a loss to make that up with game licensing fees, so they would need to work out a way to get more money from multimedia services. - FredFredrickson, on 12/30/2008, -1/+23It was the initial price difference, plus the 360 beat them to the punch by a year. It pays to have an established install base.
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