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- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Like everyone is saying, IF YOU AREN'T POSITIVELY GIDDY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WILL BE MADE POSSIBLE BY THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER, THEN YOU DO NO UNDERSTAND IT, AND SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING GAMES ANYWAY.
This is the future people, Nintendo does get it. IGN's editors get it. I get it. Other gamers get it. Sony doesn't get it. M$ most definitely doesn't get anything. This isn't a Power Glove rehash, if you think it is, then you never owned one or don't understand that two decades of technical innovation can improve things a tad bit.
I'll just put this simply for everyone. Nintendo's unveiling at TGS has radically altered the face of the game universe forever. If you do not own a Revolution for a next gen system, then you won't own a next gen system. In one fell stroke, Nintendo has made all of Sony and M$'s "innovations" obsolete. They're dark age material. They knew the lack of innovation problem existed and they couldn't handle it. I own a PS2, I've played the hell out of it, I own an Xbox, I play Halo 2 on Live constantly, but I will not be buying a PS3 or a 360 since I saw that video unveil on IGN. I'm sold I know what I'm getting because I can see where the industry is headed, and as a former disillusioned Nintendo fanboy, I can say with renewed enthusiasm that it is going back to Nintendo, the good old days are back! - supertoad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If you're not excited about the Revolution controller you don't understand it.
- gaius_baltar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3People fear change. Why? Most people are dumb.
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It would be sad to see Nintendo go. If the gaming industry were to lose innovators like Sega, Nintendo, and Namco, it would just cater to the general public.
The sheep.
The industry itself is part of the problem. They're trying to turn gaming into another medium, just like TV: filled with useless trash, attempting to be "cool" and sell to the average 20 year old heterosexual male. I _really_ don't want to see that happen, but I'm afraid it will, with less games that really attempt to be fun and playful and more games trying to gain profit with the "maturity" card. But we won't be seeing anything like Katamari or WarioWare from Microsoft anytime soon, with stupid ***** like J Allard attempting to be "hip."
Halo. Grand Theft Auto [clones]. Where's the innovation? We need a gaming equivalent of "And Now For Something Completely Different."
Thanks a lot, American Culture (an oxymoron?), you're ruining ANOTHER one of my hobbies. No wonder the Middle East and Latin America hate you. - xs10shul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In all fairness, pixarman, the Power Glove didn't work but, by all indications, the Revolution controllers does. All of the hands on reports have said it works just fine and is very precise. The comparison just isn't apt.
For one, the Power Glove just plain didn't function correctly. I remember using one and the piece of trash wouldn't register your movements the way it was supposed to. All available reports about the Revolution controller show that it is both accurate and functions in a number of ways. Near as I could tell, the Glove's sensors just let you punch things... sometimes.
Second, the glove did not function at all as a normal controller. You had to strap the cumbersome thing to your hand and then try to use the gamepad with your off-hand. Naturally, that wasn't practical. The Revolution controller, in contrast, seems like it could easily function both as a normal controller and as a "sensor thingy."
Everyone has seen the demo videos and read the hands-on reactions... it's just not the same as the Power Glove. - xs10shul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's an okay article, but I really don't think one can lecture too much to the #1 spot how awful they are at selling consoles... much less that that don't "get it.'
I mean, I love Nintendo--but I loved the Dreamcast, too, and that thing got driven into the dirt. Like it or not, sales matter. - xs10shul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Next Gen has nothing to do with the interface, its all about the games."
That's kind of an odd statement, considering the UI is part of the game. I'm all for better graphics and the like, but part of something being the "next generation" IS its user interface. - Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ugh...good article, but yet another one saying the dual shock started the analog stick craze...it just bugs me
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it WILL revolutionize gaming. I'm sorry, I don't think you understand how innovative a machine that can sense 3D movement is. Three planes. Three. It even trumps the mouse's two planes of movement.
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, not to mention that horrible mouse! I can't aim at anything without my trusty auto aim feature to make joystick shooting easier!
But seriously, using Nintendo's "Pointer" system is far more realistic for almost any game than a joystick, which is exactly what they're aiming for. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thro: The powerglove/sega fishing thingy are NOTHING like the revolution controller. Those were cheap gimmicks. It is an alternate input device, but one that opens up so many more possibilities. It brings games into true 3D.
Sony could've done this. Microsoft could've done this. They chose not to. This is by no means a revolution in technology. It is, however, a revolution in gaming. - tanxadillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I don't know anyone who wants to hold a controller with one hand, and control their game with their thumb. It is VERY uncomfortable."
Yeah! Stupid PC Players have no idea what they're talking about. - supertoad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Your right, I don't understand it. I'd rather use a keyboard and mouse then a TV remote. Nintendo will be the only company to develop games for it."
By calling it a TV remote you only demonstrate that you don't understand it. What other controller can detect its location in 3D space? With a keyboard and mouse you control your character. With the Revolution controller, you are your character. - next, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lynxpro: I'm just going to ignore the comment about Nintendo using the controller as a means of selling 'the same old Nintendo games yet again', because that implies that it'll work with most games, and that I agree with. ^_^
Anyway, why do care what it looks like? To any non-gamer, an Xbox, PS2, or GameCube controller all look like weird and stupid little things. If anything, something that looks more like a TV remote should look normal in a home entertainment setting. Or are you just being biased because you're used to something else? Try at least accepting the possibility of change. Seriously, why the hell should anyone care what something looks like if it's fun to play with? (And for the record, I think it looks nice)
And in all honestly, it's a hell of a lot smaller than a TV remote. Based on the pictures released, it looks like it'll fit in your hand with two small parts of the end coming out. And the rounded bottom would make it similar to holding a brush or something. I find it very hard to believe that it won't be comfortable. Do you really think it's difficult to design something that's easy to grip and hold in your hand? - robche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1theres 2 things im gonna enjoy watching in the next few years, 1 is nintendo slowlying coming back into power, and 2 people looking possessed throwing there arms around as they play games with the revolution controller
- Trepan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3As if Nintendo's being innovative as the article suggests. Repackaging the same ***** games year after year is not innovation, but a way to milk customers of their cash without having to come up with anything new or important.
If they truly wanted to be innovative, they'd release all of their old games for free, instead of charging for them. They'd be the first console to ever do that, wouldn't they. - Trepan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Show me a link that says that Nintendo is releasing their old games for free (the Nintendo games, not Capcom or otherwise). They said at E3 that they'd be charging for the downloadable old games.
- kirk06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Upon reflection and more reading of the comments above mine, I need to omit the word Sony from my first sentence so that it reads:
"The fanboys come out quickly when someone says something bad about their console."
Sony is too general. There are way too many XBox and Sony fanboys running around here. And more than enough Nintendo fanboys as well.
Can't we all grow up and not act like children about these things? They are consoles, for Christ's sake... - jibone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed with the article with Nitendo Revolution is inovative. But sadly the world are full of dumbass gamers that are very close minded when they something new and different. Do to that facts, Nitendo Revolution sales wont be beating the PS3 or xbox. Well may be it will only pick up in Japan,.. but not the rest of the world.
- Jackel003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1good read
- dnifty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think the article is very good with strong points. nintendo's concept of revolutionizing is brilliant. sure its weird at first but just think of the possibilities. honestly. could you imagine actually sword fighting gannon or playing doom 4 and literally cocking your shot gun with one hand. the whole concept and possibilities behind it are amazing. sony and microsoft are great machines, i own more ps1 + 2 games more than any, and my favorite games are mostly PS2, but nintendo is always just thinking of ways to shake things up, sure some sucked (virtual boy, power glove), but they took that risk and are still doing it. sony has the domination of the market but also plays it safe i believe, not that thats bad, but you never think "WTF are u up to sony??". curiosity never sparks like that with microsoft and sony. i mean MGS4 looks amazing and i bet halo 3 will be ridicouluosly phenomenal, but its the same thing better. nintendo is throwing something totally out of left field in terms of hardware innovation, and i for one am excited. in this coming console "war" i have my eyes set on the PS3 and will be waitin' with open arms for the revolution!
- jasonsbytes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Interesting but the writer needs practice... It was very hard to read.
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, 2 dimensions x the same 2 dimensions = 2 dimensions.
- Burner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, maybe this is right or maybe not. I don;t recall to many times that when we reached the next gen era, (weather it be from nes to super nintendo, or ps1 to ps2) the only upgrade has been graphics. I think nintendo did the absolutley perfect thing for the position they are in. If Nintendo hadn't made something revolutionary (pun intended) for their next console, they would once again be the underdog. They don't have the best graphics, (PS3 has the best graphics) so they had to do something that would make people want to buy their console. Honestly if every other company made their consoles the same way with better graphics but not outstanding graphics, then with some cool new feature like a stick controller, I would be in a great state of depression and probably would have killed myself by now.
- kydd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1any fool comparing the rev controller to the power glove or anyother old input device is an idiot. The revolution freehand controller will revolutionize gaming, it hasn't even hit the streets and already people are seeing the possiblites, and are realizing that Nintendo is keeping games alive. If nintendo didn't step up to the plate on this one, you all would quit gaming this comming generation or the one following, because it would be the same old thing. Controller, TV, Game. Revolution give it a whole makeover, the possibilites are endless, and ill say it again as many are saying. If you arn't exited about the revolution controller, then you dont understand it. You need to go to ign or any other site watch the video, read the hands on, and open your eyes to the future of gaming. Your scared because its new, just take the time to read about it before you dississ it.
- pomaybo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"They have three great franchises; Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Conkers."
Well, First off, Conker is a Rare franchise, which M$ now owns...so "fact" one...wrong. Secondly, Nintendo has more than 3 great franchises, the kiddie Pokemon phenom, that if you've ever had bothered to put your ego aside for a moment and play, were great GB and GBA games. And third, those three examples were really four. So, I'll take your criticism for what its worth. Nintendo has made Sony and M$ look like complete and utter chumps. Just by the amount of press alone Nintendo has stirred the industry up enough. And to say that this is another gimmick that will fail, I have two small letters for you, D and S. Which, last I heard, is wiping the floor with the PSP. Could it fail? Sure! So maybe we can have everyone who has gone to the future and played it to continue to tell us how it has failed. I haven't looked forward to a system with this much excitement since 1986. I think that sums it up. - siliconsnake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Am I the only one who thinks nintendo has stayed true to the games and not tried to make an 'all in one/lets stick as much crap in here as possible' console? I like both the Xbox and the PS2 as well, but nintendo is the only company i've seen that has focused on games and gaming.
- ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sony "gets it" too, just read this interview: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4562705.stm -- A quote: "I do worry that we are going to see decreased risk and decreased innovation," (Mark DeLoura, Manager, Developer Relations at Sony Computer Entertainment America). Another quote: "I fear that players are going to get bored because when they go to the store, they will see the games they played last year."
So, Sony knows where they are going. They just don't care. After all, PS3 is a multimedia platform, it can survive without games, just like the PSP. - robotplague, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Remember that PlayStation commercial for PS7 or 9? It was for that mind manipulator device and you actually were in the game? (sorry for the horrible and inaccurate description). Well, if we ever want to get to that level some serious advances have to be made. Simply beefing up graphics and adding a billion ports won't do it. I think Nintendo is on the right track and I applaud them for it. I'm really looking forward to the Revolution.
- xs10shul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I remember when the mouse was a "gimmick." I remember when CD-ROMs were a "gimmick."
3-D... "gimmick."
3-D cards... "gimmick."
Trigger buttons... "gimmick."
Multiplayer... "gimmick."
Online play... "gimmick."
Every innovation in games... "gimmick."
Everythings a bloody gimmick, until everybody starts to bloody like it, suddenly. - meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1VERY well written. Outside of the fact that Nintendo 64 started and standardized the "rumble" feature with the add-on "rumble pack", that article was spot on.
Well done Mr. Rider - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some of you don't understand that Sales + Profit =/= Good or Innovative.
If 1 million people bought a horse wagon, and 4 people bought a car, which is more innovative, the horse or the car? - bloodwings, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i love this article.
this is why the DS is beating PSP in sales. - deadlychicken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"YOUR TELLING ME SONY ain't doing nothing to lazy to list xbox just think that article is written by a Nintendo fanboy yeah there are a ton of sequels you cant blame Sony or Microsoft its the 3rd party publishers.you be saying the same thing if Nintendo had Any 3rd party support."
Were you raised in a hole and then dropped on your head as a child? Not only is there no punctuation, but it's not even a sentence. Who let you near a keyboard? - ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fanboys are found everywhere, everytime. Most here are digg fanboys. Just read AlbertPacino post in a blog when the owner of the blog said he was slashdotted and he was fast to point out that it wasn't Slashdot but instead Digg (even though, as far as I know, he hasn't presented any proof that he digged the blog first before being slashdotted).
There are two kind of fanboys, those with sense and those without. People who compare 15 years old mechanism with new ones belong to the second one. They are not constructive. They defend something and stubbornly reject changes until their own brandname implements them. Look at Mac fanboys. They kept saying x86 technology was trash, that PowerPC was better, yet now they need to eat their own words. Just look at Sun CEO, saying how Open Solaris x86 was going to crush Linux, yet they are again selling RedHat to get revenue. Just look at Microsoft worshippers, who kept using IE until they tried Firefox and sulkingly accepted there were better products.
Changes happen. There must be a right time, a right technology, a right place. I believe it is the right time, there is the right technology, there is a right spot in gaming industry. I don't know you, I am tired of playing the same Half-Life with better graphics, the same GTA with better graphics, the same FIFA with better graphics. Those who also feel the time, technology and place are the right ones, no matter if they are fanboys or not, understand the power of this innovation, and how good it will make to the market if it really works. - CaptSnuffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Have people forgotten that the Dreamcast ever existed? The author fails to mention it even once. It had great games, and it was the first console to offer online play, and you didn't even have to buy some stupid adapter or a subscription to a service - it came WITH the console itself. Yet it's true that it failed miserably and brought down SEGA to the point where they had to stop making hardware altogether. But seriously, the dreamcast had some incredibly fun and new games. So many were great: seaman, samba de amigo, jet grind radio, chu chu rocket, the sonic games kicked ass, power stone, soul calibur! I still have my DC connected to my pc monitor so i can play it whenever i feel like it (and use the pc at the same time thans to the built in PIP functions on my monitor).
So back to the arguement:
Is the revolution going to save the world from traditional gaming? I hope its everything it claims to be, but what's wrong with the traditional way? Great games are still made the old fashioned way, and they're still worth playing. If Nintendo's idea works, awesome. If not, oh well, at least the tried. - geoboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dickyroberts1: "Real innovation *always* starts with PC games"
Care to back that up? It isn't true. Do you even listen to the garbage you spout? - ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just dismiss people talking about the Power Glove. I would guess 95% of the people talking about it are of the PS generation, that means they have never seen even a SNES or a Megadrive/Genesis. Those who have been able to play with it understand technology changes, as they did understand PS wasn't 3DO.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree Omnicron. He has pretty high expectations from Nintendo. I hope he's prepared for a big let down. Nintendo is going nowhere.
I have been pretty happy with the current XBOX. All this talk of how the current gen of consoles "haven't delivered" is b.s. They have delivered plenty! I give M$ kudos for making their online play seemless (an I am NOT a M$ fan at all). What has NOT impressed me was the XBOX 360 demos or PS3 demos. HD is nice, but none of the games I saw looked very compelling at all.
I have found that waiting for the "new" systems to hit the $149 price mark (generally two years in) is the ideal time to buy. You get the system for half it's original price, a giant library of cheap used games to choose from and by then, the developers have ususally figured out the quirks of the system and start putting out better games by then. Its a win, win scenerio! - forgiste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What the hell?? How did that post end up here?!?!?! I was on a totally different thing when I posted the above^^.. Weird, lol...
- MaxFrost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think what most of us need to do is wait for nintendo to put out the demo machines...then give it a shot and see just how it works...till then, don't dis it for not working right, because you don't know if it does or not ^_^
- lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0teamparadox: But what if it DOES work as it's supposed to, without bugs or glitches? Apparently, the folks who covered the revolution on their respective sites who got to try it out all said that the control was perfect, and sense every movement.
- Omicron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so nintendo is gonna overtake the market because of this new controller? i think this dude's getting a little excited. they still have to come out with games that appeal to Gen X'ers and older which they have obviously failed to do thus far. the xbox 360 is a multimedia center which really appeals to me (a gen x'er). i'm def. gonna buy a xbox 360 because of this and because of HD games. whenever the Revolution is released, if it impresses me with it's features and games, then perhaps i'll buy one of those too. it's up to them to prove something though, Sony and Microsoft have already proved themselves worthy of present day console domination.
- Great_Wizard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not leet any more, it was 1337 befor I dugg it ;)
- next, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0furiouszebra: There's going to be an shell attachment that's designed to work as a traditional gamepad, adn the pointer just slides into it. It'd be like a traditional gamepad with the gyro-like features and crazy 3D location detecting stuff of the pointer device.
But for the record, I honestly hope third party developers only use it as a last resort, because I want games to use this new controller. It has the potential to be so damn cool.. - isewise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I read the title and maybe like a few sentences and the entire stinks of Nintendo fanboy. Nintendo is so dead no one wants that laser-pointer-arthiritis-causing-tv-remote thing that they call a "controller" Nintendo is going the way of Sega...bankrupt!
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
ps. The author mentions "know your roots" yet claims *Pong* debuted in 1975. Sorry hans, but Atari's Pong hit the arcades in 1972, becoming a smash hit nationwide and truly launching the industry despite protests from Ralph Baer. - ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I do, it became N64, back then Nintendo was touting it as the greatest thing to ever hit gaming with graphics better then Jurrasic Park and interaction at levels we have never seen."
I do too, I still have even older magazines that call it Ultra 64, yet another name for N64. They promised better graphics and failed because the difference between the graphics in PS, Saturn and N64 were minimun. It must have been one of the few times when Nintendo changed their "gameplay" for "hardware".
As for buying an extra controller, everyone does that. As far as I know, every system comes with just one controller. I don't think it is to make the bundle cheaper, but instead because most games nowadays are to be played "alone", being that one player per screen. I miss old times, when consoles came with two controllers and two players were able to share experiences at the same time, in the same room, and not only online. - eatporktoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Robotplague, making a controller capable of putting add-on devices on it really just seems like a stupid idea. I have enough trouble finding a game when i want to play it, now you're telling me i have to find the game and some stupid add-on? Screw that. Innovation is only good if it makes sense and appeals to consumers. Just remember this, making a piece of ***** fly is being innovative, but that still doesn't make it a good thing.
- teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"teamparadox: But what if it DOES work as it's supposed to, without bugs or glitches? Apparently, the folks who covered the revolution on their respective sites who got to try it out all said that the control was perfect, and sense every movement."
To he honest I hope its everything Nintendo wants it to be, im all for a new method of controlling my games, Ill have a place right next to my 360 for the Revolution, Im already planning on buying it.
"Turn the controller 1 degree upwards = press down button for 1/100 second (or up, if you use reverted controls.). It depends on how much they are ready to invest in the controller. As Mr. Iwata said, they were able to easily port Metroid 2 from GC to Revolution. That means, basically, that the API the new controller uses can be easily encapsulated to work with old engines."
Maybe, but what Nintendo says and what they deliver are different things. Anyone remember "Project Reality" I do, it became N64, back then Nintendo was touting it as the greatest thing to ever hit gaming with graphics better then Jurrasic Park and interaction at levels we have never seen.
Maybe we will be able to control every game with this thing and maybe not, time will only tell. All we have seen is some tech demo's. When the real games roll out then we can all start saying its the greatest thing ever made but for now its pretty much a non issue. I have no problem aiming with a controller now, maybe my shot times will decrease by 1/2 second with this controller but at what expense? Nintendo is taking a huge risk here and im glad they are, but im still going to be playing with my old fashioned controllers. What happens when we need accesories to play games with this thing, do you really wanna shell out $20 and have it only work for a few games? There are questions that need to be answered before we all start giving Nintendo praise. Everyone is caught up in the hype and with good reason but we have all been burned by hype in the past. Why cant you people take a wait and see aproach? 50% of the people madly in love with this will be screaming **** you Nintendo come launch day, the other half will be madly in love. -
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