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- sk11, on 05/23/2008, -0/+89"Gameplay is king, performance is second, and graphics are somewhere after that. People have said to us, you know, Portal is cool, but it wasn't the prettiest game. Well, okay, it sold a whole lot, it was named game of the year by over 30 outlets, and many of the people who played it told me they finished it and had a great time. I would much rather have that than have people tell me it was the prettiest game that came out last year."
Awesome stuff. Completely agree. - duggtodeath, on 05/23/2008, -0/+80At least PC users don't have to whine about backwards compatibility, useless peripherals or paying for the privilege of playing online with 12-year old racist homophobes.
- noobeffect, on 05/23/2008, -3/+41You mean one of the developers that actually chose to innovate the way PC Games are sold instead of whining about the market and going straight to console developing thinks PC Gaming is fine because their digital distribution software is actually working? Wow.
- theshizzler, on 05/23/2008, -3/+37I really think that needing a hugely tricked out PC for gaming is a myth. I've been building my own computers for years now, and I generally spend about $400-500 every four years, if that.
- LMN8R, on 05/23/2008, -2/+34Anyone that is a "PC Gamer" and is older than oh....13...might remember a time when he or she would enjoy many things about PC games that could not be found anywhere else.
Things like....higher resolution...60+ FPS frame rates...online game play...patches...add-ons...and so on.
Any of these advantages were, however, GARBAGE to the hardcore (typically single console owner) console gamer.
How I remember such arguments as "PC games need patches!" yet...to my dismay....I had to have a patch downloaded for my PS3 copy of GTA4!
OH NOES!
Being able to play at 1280x768 at 60 FPS....who needed that?!?! Not any console gamer....at the time that it couldn't be done....
Now console owners complain when a game is in "640 or 540p" and scoff at games that don't run at a constant 60 fps!
Free mods? Who needs that amateur garbage...
Well...apparently the free part...they didn't need...but now they eat up $2 song add-ons, $10 map packs, and $5 horse armor...oh wait...
And of course...online gaming. Before PC gamers were nerds with no real friends...and that is the only reason to play online. Split screen gaming while banging chicks with their buds was the ONLY way to game.....now they eat up pay to play rights like it's the bees knees.
What's next....people will be asking for the ability to upgrade the hard drive in their PS3.....err umm....
Old school console fanboy...killed by Xbox Live and HDTVs capable of 60 FPS!
who would have thought it would have been so simple. - Tempest261, on 05/23/2008, -1/+32You're only looking at one side of the cost: the core hardware.
I own a 360 as well, but don't trick yourself into thinking that you're getting a deal with the hardware. They aren't subsidizing that cost for nothing. You need to take into consideration that console games cost $10, $20- sometimes up to $30+ more than their PC counterparts (even simultaneous releases) in order to compensate for that subsidy and make further profit from there.
Then you have to pay for online service. And THEN, you're also paying for "bonus packs" and other DLC that is traditionally free on the PC.
The key theme here is that you're paying a lot less up front for a console, but then they milk you for all you have as you pay for these little things. And then, when the next console comes out, you gotta buy this ***** (controllers, cables, other peripherals, etc.) all over again.
He who thinks that console gaming is truly cheaper is a fool. - MikeMigs, on 05/23/2008, -6/+34If XBOX360/PS3 came out with keyboard/mouse I feel as if it could steal some loyal PC Gamers
- Varz, on 05/23/2008, -6/+32Shack: Do you guys ever get tired of the same old "PC Gaming Is Dying" stories?
Doug Lombardi: I mean, I think, we sort of laugh at it.
I'm sure anyone who actually plays PC games laughs too.
PC gaming isn't going anywhere, there may not be as many single player PC games out there nowadays but online games are becoming more and more popular. Games like CSS, COD4, TF2, SC, C&C3, BF2, BF2142, WoW etc.... all have massive amounts of players. Also, almost all gaming competitions focus on PC games, not console games. - masterkenobi, on 05/23/2008, -2/+27Real gamers build their own PCs. You can do incremental hardware upgrades over time afterwards.
- ZeroFive1, on 05/23/2008, -2/+26Don't buy prebuilt computers.
They suck.
That might be your problem. - mattyice11, on 05/23/2008, -5/+28Good read, but just give me the whole interview rather than trying to make me come back tomorrow to read the rest.
- Panda200x, on 05/23/2008, -1/+22Valve FTW.
- ortucis, on 05/23/2008, -11/+32I hate to say it, but you are a moron.
- troglodytejb, on 05/23/2008, -0/+21Absolutely correct. An initial investment runs about $1000, and I average about $200 a year (in bursts every few years) to keep a machine that will run ANYTHING. You can go a LOT cheaper than I do, obviously.
- n0odles, on 05/23/2008, -15/+35Because Crysis may look shinny, but is a ***** game. I still play old Valve games like Day of Defeat.
- Kamael, on 05/23/2008, -3/+21This has happened before, and will happen again. It's a cycle. When the PS3 & 360 graphics get outdated in 3 years, the PC gaming will get more steam again... (no pun intended)... and when the new consoles arrive, the same thing will happen...ppl will say that PC gaming is dead.
I'm quite happy with my new 9600GT, and there are good titles coming (Starcraft 2, Mafia 2, Mass Effect, Spore, GRID, just to name a few).
The only title from consoles that I want on PC is GTA IV, and that will happen sooner or later, imho,. - verifex, on 05/23/2008, -3/+21While most of what you said is PC Fanboyism, you do have one very valid point:
You CANNOT MOD console games. (except maybe on hacked consoles)
Modding PC games has been a tradition ever since way back in the days of Doom and Quake. If I can't install a mod to change the gameplay, then it's a game with a very short shelf-life to me. Entire online communities have sprung up around modding games, and I find it very hard to believe those people will just give up and say.. Oh well, I'm just going to play games from now on instead of modding them. - renegadeafk, on 05/23/2008, -2/+18I thought crysis was an alright game, sort of average but fun. I wouldn't say it's a "bad" game.
- inactive, on 05/23/2008, -0/+15Gameplay and great graphics are not mutually exclusive.
- freezerburn666, on 05/23/2008, -0/+14i've never been more into pc gaming than i am right now. i finally have a pc that can play all the latest games, and i have way more NEW games than i ever did for consoles. my desktop is full of game icons. why are people saying its dead anyways? new games are constantly coming out for pc, and they are really good, whether they are pc ports of console games or not.
- SOS84, on 05/23/2008, -2/+16Crysis is a great game. In all honesty, the first time through, I thought it was fairly average, pretty, but average. The second and third time through when I started getting creative is when the fun really kicked in. This game has real replay value, and along with Portal, was the greatest game released in 2007 for any system, period.
- Misinformant, on 05/23/2008, -0/+13PCs may slump but they'll never die. FPSs, RTSs, complex RPGs (every RPG not made in Japan) and MMOs will always need a home and said home will never be on a console.
- SOS84, on 05/23/2008, -0/+12It is all about perception. Hardware costs are at their lowest all time level. Building a computer is ridiculously easy. Insert tab a in slot b easy. they are basically infantry proof. Newegg's advanced search feature makes it easy to pick components that are compatible. Then there is the PC audience, which is different. PC gamers want great games with great stories, complex and challenging game play, something that most consoletards do not care about. PC gaming is hear to stay and will hardware prices at record lows, it is actually increasing in market size.
- renegadeafk, on 05/23/2008, -0/+11You can build a fine gaming rig for 600...
My PC cost 600 and I can play crysis on high fine at 1440x900
5000+
4GB RAM
9600GT
250GBHDD
If you spend 2000 on a pc you have a lot of money to blow or you're an idiot. - chanop, on 05/23/2008, -1/+12Go ahead and take cod4 off there. IW does not care about their PC user base anymore.
correction......they're having a user-map contest, so they can sell the maps to the consoles....and won't ever release as official maps for pc - sk11, on 05/23/2008, -3/+14"It is absolutely a perception problem. I mean one of the things that happens is--Microsoft has an army of PR people that work for Microsoft. They have at least two agencies that are additional armies."
Hmm, I wonder if any of them are active at digg?
/rhetorical question. - lacronicus, on 05/23/2008, -1/+12Seriously? You cited NPD stats for a comment about an article that goes to great lengths to explain why NPD stats are an inaccurate representation of PC game sales?
- crackedlogic, on 05/23/2008, -0/+10I own a PS3 and a wii, I also used to have an xbox 360. I've spent above and beyond more time gaming on my pc than all 3 of those systems combined.
- digdig, on 05/23/2008, -0/+10The cost factor is not really an issue with PC gaming. You can invest $1000 in a rig that will last you 3 years. However you are also getting a computer. A computer that you can use to perform other functions than games. You can do homework, design stuff, chat to friends, you know the regular computer stuff. Yes a console costs less. However you are buying a proprietary platform that can usually play a limited a library of games and perform a limited variety of functions. With a PC you have access to any game that came out since DOS days, and more through emulators and mods.
Lets take a 360.
Console: $350
3 Extra Controllers: $120 - You need em if you have friends.
3 Years of Xbox LIVE: $120 - Need it when your friends are away
Wireless Networking Adapter (a must in my situation): $87 - Need it cause wired networking is so 1998
Total without games for 3 years: $677
Now in order to get a 360 I would also need to get a nice HDTV and some games. Total after all that prolly would be 2 grand. So I pay 2 grand and in return I get a white box that can play games. ONLY GAMES. Well an occasional DVD as well.
How sweet.
If you prefer to turn off your brain and just play some games. Consoles are great. However if you want more options and flexibility you choose PC. But please dont whine about the "cost". - ZeroFive1, on 05/23/2008, -0/+10God, I wish people stopped saying every half decent graphics card cost 300 upwards. There are plenty of good graphics card around $100. Computer parts get exponentially more expensive as they get better. Don't shoot for the bleeding edge and you won't break your wallet.
- sodade, on 05/23/2008, -1/+11"The only title from consoles that I want on PC is GTA IV, and that will happen sooner or later, imho"
sure, and just like GTA SA, the PC version will be filled with the same crappy console functionality like having to go to a disc to save the game and 4 fixed view settings rather than a PC style zoom. Console gaming conventions are ***** lame. - Woknblues, on 05/23/2008, -2/+11I have had the "same" PC since 2004. The only original part in it is the HD and the case. everything has slowly been upgraded. Meaning, I have spent about $1300 in the past 5 years, or $260 per year to have a competent computer to play any game that I was interested in. Also, all of the old parts went into "new" computers that were either used by my girlfriend, or my mother... I got out of gaming around the time I reentered school, and now that computer is way more powerful than I really need, so it will likely serve me for another 2-3 years at zero cost, putting my total contribution from the day I first bought it, to the day before I buy my next complete set up in 3 years at $185 per year, and 3 functional computers, (though the 2200+AMD/fx5600 system is showing it's age, it is fine for mom's word processing and image/music, and the XP3000 with a gt6600 plays WoW just hunky dory, and my current 3800X2 with a 7800 gt and 3 gigs of ram blasts through hardy64 like a hot knife through butter. so, three PC's, $1300, 7 years.... thats like $1300/3 computers/7years= $61 per year, per PC.
Or to put it in another way, every time I get a new part, like a video card, 3 PC's get a large upgrade. Do that with a console. - caLt, on 05/23/2008, -1/+10afaik, ut3 on ps3 supports keyboard and mouse. I home more games follow it. (Maybe Bioshock on ps3, which uses the same engine?)
- latova, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9RTFA, they talk about the high requirements.
- inactive, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9The only way in which PC gaming lags behind console gaming is in the high variability of systems. When you buy a console game, unless it's a ***** game, you know you're not going to have to worry about things like framerate issues, and you just don't have that luxury on the PC. That said, that problem has existed since the dawn of PC gaming, and it's always done fine.
- dalittle, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9I have always thought the "PC games are dying" myth was being pushed by the console manufactures (PS2, Xbox, etc) to push their lock-in DRM laden crap. Even though it may not be true, if they can convince a bunch of naive people to buy consoles, because they believe this then they get a few more people they can gouge. If they don't build it for the PC it must not be worth playing for the games I typically like.
- inactive, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9The push to move people to consoles is motivated by greed. Your PC is under your control, your console is under industry control.
PC gamers and enthusiasts make mods for PC games to share with others, some of them impossibly impressive and artistic (Flying mounts in Oblivion?) and free. Console gamers must buy (with microtransactions ostensibly) mods and add-ons.
Lastly, the push is for in-game advertising. PC gamers will have none of it and even when fored upon them they will find a way to disable that intrusion. Console gamers will have zero choice in that capacity. - nonymous666, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9All that you need to do is take the money you'd spend on that Xbox and put it towards a graphics card.
Everybody has PCs these days just for general use. The cost to make those PCs *gaming* rigs costs about the same as buying a gaming console. - ZombieKiss, on 05/23/2008, -0/+9I have a friend who was a hardcore console gamer for the last 20 some odd years.
Me and some other friends pitched in and got him a decent rig for his bday and he's been PC gaming for the past few months -- granted he has a lot to catch up on, but he's been playing Oblivion on the PC with mods and swears up and down it blows the console version out of the water hands down.
Not to mention get a DVI to HDMI converter, hook it up to your HDTV and finally see a 1080p game in full resolution. - haterofps3, on 05/23/2008, -2/+10Just so we are all clear the reason you believe that PC Gaming is dying is because you can't afford it anymore?
Self centered much
PC games have to be designed to work on all sorts of different types of hardware while the XBOX360 is a single platform to develop for.
WoW's popularity has nothing to do with the piece of ***** computer you are using(probably why Assassins Creed is sluggish)
In the end you need to shut up and not spread your retarded slander. - prezzy, on 05/23/2008, -6/+14I'm sorry but I am a huge PC gaming fan and have been for over 10 years. PC gaming now is in a huge slump. In the last year we have had lots of quality titles on the consoles, what have we had on PC, COD4 and Crysis? COD4 was available on 360 and I bought it on the PC because I feel a mouse and keyboard are way better for accuracy. Meanwhile all my friends bought COD4 on 360...
We have had GTA4, COD4, Bioshock, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, Mass Effect, Halo 3 among many more games on consoles. Just because we love PC gaming doesnt mean we have to be ignorant and not see reality. I hope that PC gaming picks up in the near future but if it doesnt I will go where the good games are. - a1lazydog, on 05/23/2008, -0/+8"People have said to us, you know, Portal is cool, but it wasn't the prettiest game. Well, okay, it sold a whole lot, it was named game of the year by over 30 outlets, and many of the people who played it told me they finished it and had a great time. I would much rather have that than have people tell me it was the prettiest game that came out last year. "
Amen - noobeffect, on 05/23/2008, -2/+9NPD doesn't take into account digital distribution sales (Steam, Direct2Drive), it also doesn't include subscriptions sales. They have however reported the value of the subscription based game market: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_conte ...
Valve reported in the past that the Orange Box sold more on the PC than on the consoles:
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/36952/The-Orange ...
PC Gaming is fine. - thegoldenavatar, on 05/23/2008, -0/+7BioShock was on the PC.
- BearinG, on 05/23/2008, -0/+7I mostly play consoles nowadays, and even I laugh at these claims.. sure consoles might have had a good last few years of expansion, which is great too, but in no way does that translate to "PC gaming is dying".
Like Varz said, online games are getting a lot more attention now too and in most cases (if not all) the multiplayer experience will be on par and mostly better on the PC when you consider that you can usually have more players (maximum) on a server (not that this could not be done eventually on consoles) and the mod community is always strong..
Anyone who is a bit "in the know" will not take these claims seriously. - TheHayze, on 05/23/2008, -1/+8Who said PC gaming is dying? I think both console and PC gaming is still kinda, you know.. staying strong.
- jbeardsl, on 05/23/2008, -2/+9PC gaming > ( console gaming * 10 )
- LMN8R, on 05/23/2008, -7/+14How the ***** did this ***** of Crysis being a ***** game start? My god, cut the ***** hyperbole already. Was it the best shooter ever released? No, not by a long shot. But was it a great game in its one right, with tons of open-ended options, a fantastic presentation, and great gameplay? Yes. Yes it was.
Just another case of "the supermodel is hot so she must also be stupid." If Crysis' graphics were on par with an Unreal Engine 3 game instead of completely blowing them away at every turn, I swear, none of this hate would exist. - latova, on 05/23/2008, -0/+6They say its dead because companies like Epic and Ubisoft are making ***** console ports and releasing them on PC and blaming it on piracy and pc gaming being dead when their game doesn't sell well as a scapegoat. Meanwhile companies like Blizzard and Valve are sweeping in and cashing in on the PC gaming fanbase by making quality games while the ***** developers whine.
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