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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -48/+171Hi guys,
Just registered for digg to post this (I have been lurking digg here for about 4 years now as proof by my name modeled after anicejew)
I was hoping for something big about valve to come up. Too many times have they ignored their customers and pleas and often revert to this kind of "secrecy". Regardless what you think they deserve, an example came up recently as to what kind of business they run. Its unfortunate they make great games and have a wonderful idea of content distribution.
Case and point - Ads in CS 1.6
No changelog, no warning, just ads. Game hasn't been updated in about 3 1/2 years (not to mention steam favorites and history doesn't work in 1.6 and 1.6 ALONE) and they just decide to squelch every last bit out of the game by putting them IN GAMe. not even in the lobby!
Last update broke Vista support for Dod 1.6 (lag and fps) and still no word (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553529) and NEVER do employees come to take the time to address these issues. It has always been chase and bait, then run.
Hiding information from customers like these is a perfect example of how they operate, and how they run. Sure they make great games, their customer support however is a joke and their forums are considered some of the worst in the internet (too many fanboy moderators). - Flawed77, on 10/12/2007, -5/+128Phew, I'm glad that Steam thinks I'm Isaac Newton. Heheh, those hackers will never see through my clever ruse.
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+122"I have been lurking digg here for about 4 years"
Digg is only 2 years old. - fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -10/+107Disregarding this incident, am I the only one that likes Steam? I like being able to buy, say, HL2:Ep1 and play it within 15 minutes, and not have to worry about updates. Sure, it has many quirks, but I'd say the good far outweighs the bad.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -3/+73time to go cancel my credit card... again.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+71Right, so... Because Valve put ads in CS1.6, the proper retribution against them is to leak *customers'* credit card numbers? How the hell does that logic flicker into twisted existence in your sociopathic little brains?
This won't hurt Valve nearly as much as it hurts those customers who have their CC numbers stolen and used. This is something you don't seem to understand. Their hate will be on "you", not Valve.
Stealing and disseminating credit card numbers in no way helps your delusional little crusade, and it certainly doesn't help those you claim to be "fighting" for. And as one of those people, I have no trouble telling people like you to... ***** Off. - Sk8SkaNJ, on 10/12/2007, -9/+60I love steam. I hate tracking down updates and hate having to keep the CD/DVD on hand. Definitely good when you have the sudden impulse to buy a game. I rarely have trouble, and I'm willing to bet the 50 people complaining on their forums don't represent the other several million people using Steam.
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54I wasn't big on steam at first. But when I first bought HL2, I saw I could punch in my CD keys for HL1 and some of the mods I purchased. I did so. Then I promptly forgot about it.. bought a new computer a year later, decided to play some HL2,, installed steam and found that by registering my cd keys for older sierra games, I could download HL1, HL2, CS, DOD, and play them all without digging up my CDs. That's awesome. Especially since my HL1 cds are scratched.
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -9/+56No, you aren't alone, steam is an excellent platform, there are gamers who are bitter about not being able to use the same key on lan games ect. Most of the malice comes from the golden days of old school days of 1.5
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50Ads in game are ***** (I play 1.6)
It's been ad free forever! They don't own the server! Complete crap. - felesaerius, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49steam is wonderful. I love the service. it's a great thing for those who have high-bandwidth connections. ^.^
- goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -20/+61oh wow,,,, no stream uber hackers now.. wow. Damn I hate people like this. sit there and do destructive *****, just so their ego's get bigger. ***** kids like that. Cracking a game and making it work is one thing.... but hacking into a companys computer and stealing credit card information is just ***** pathetic. I used to like no stream, but now they can suck a ***** dick. Because thats ***** wrong. I hope he uses some of those credit cards so that the FBI throws that little bastard in jail where he belongs. And then we can see how his hacking skills do in jail. Lol
- Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -17/+51I dugg you up... I play Source, but too many times am I faced with the wrath of errors that Valve pays no mind to.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38what a ***** that guy is
- BamaStangGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34I love how he called Valve Moderators 24/7 nerds when he is the one that hacked into their site.
- Hervard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Krispy Kremes, anyone?
Do any of you remember before Half-Life 2 was launched, Source's code was supposedly stolen?
Oh, and then Gabe Newell had his membership on www.hlfallout.net hacked when someone managed to guess his password: "gaben"
Good times. - betterth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25^^
Sue thier asses? You're an idiot. They'll sell your data to an out of country farmer, who keeps a database and runs these for sale. Someone in ***** Nigeria or Russia will buy your card information, max it and have it send to Third Party Number 1, probably in the states. Third Party Number 1 will fed ex it to Third Party Number 2, who will then ship it out of the country, or perhaps sell it on eBay. By the time you realize you've been charged, your information chagned hands ten times and the product has been sold.
You think these scammers are idiots? They do this for a living for ***** sake. Do what everyone else does. Charge back and be done.
As for this, you guys can bash Steam all you want. I bet the FBI and Steam are working ***** double time to get these people caught. Try reading a book called "The Cuckoo's Egg". Out of date and partially off topic, but gives you an insight into how this can all work.
Ten bucks says while they're raising a panic by posting it everywhere, the FBI is leading an investigation, working with the NSA (who undoubtably recorded the offenders, just a matter of finding the correct information in their mass of data). If this is a real threat, cyberterrorism is taken very seriously these days. The credit card companies, the government -- do you think Valve is alone?
Most likely the FBI said "DON'T CAUSE A PANIC, don't inform your customer outright, but inform them if they ask" - LancerDragoon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27The concept of Steam is very neat, but the execution is slightly... well, less tidy. I understand that the system is used to ensure everyone has a patched up copy of Half-Life 2 and what not, but I come from a country (Malaysia) where broadband penetration is, to put it simply, non-existent. I bought a legitimate copy of Half-Life 2 from a store and, hoping that I could just install it and play, I was frustrated. I had to download Steam, update Steam, and try downloading a 4GB file through a pipe that isn't big enough to handle such files. All this while I already have a DVD with the installation files onboard.
I wished so hard that Valve would let me download the file by HTTP or FTP or something. To this day, I still haven't been able to play Half-Life 2, even though I own a copy. - Sk8SkaNJ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Said it the first time this was submitted (er I guess it was the interview with the hacker), but.... don't believe this for a second. Nothing here that I couldn't create in photoshop and such.
- Jackosx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24*****.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Support what industry? Do you know how much money a company needs to spend to get a boxed game in the store? They need artists, materials, pickers and packers, marketing, publishing, shipping, and unless they pay a huge premium to the stores themselves their product will go on a back shelf behind Barbie Horse Adventure.
Internet distribution is the present, not the future. Your days of buying games at a store will be over in a couple of years. Your days of owning a game disc will be over within the decade.
Get your facts straight, crybaby. - RCcola159, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Great, at least i used paypal to buy my games.
- cygnusx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I also hope he enjoys juvenile detention, for credit card theft.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Even if this is true, I'd say the best preventive maintenance you can do is to use your credit card normally. If you buy a burger in Calgary and 10 minutes later someone buys a mink coat in Salt Lake City I'm pretty sure your credit card company will suspect something fishy.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16There are haters, there are lovers.
I think Steam is great. I've bought a couple of games off of it, it downloads amazingly-*****-fast, and let's me make offline-usable hard backups. Installing mods for HL2 is a snap, copy paste to a directory and steam finds it easily, puts it in your list of games, and lets you go.
Every reformat, I can choose which games I want to reinstall, and I notoriously lose discs, but yet I can still go back and play HL1 after just an hour or two of downloading, anytime I want to.
I think Steam is great, and if it's recent growth is any indication, it's where PC gaming is heading.
Brick and Mortar stores are terrible for the gaming industry, especially for console gaming, and the sooner console gaming can move to a secure online distribution method, the sooner developers get more money for their games and we get better games. THe bane of the console gaming industry is the used sales that destroy their profit. 10 million people paid to play the game and bought the game, 5 million sold it to GameStop, 5 million more bought the game used. GameStop effectively just stole 5 million customers, give or take the 20% that wouldn't buy a game unless it was $35 instead of $50. - funk49, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18My question is...why the ***** are their Quickbooks files up on a public server? Thats just plain rediculous. They deserve to get owned.
Oh, BTW...if anyone on their list of compromised accounts is a California resident, Steam is required by law to notify the user due to SB 1386. Their asses can get sued to the wall if they don't notify. - Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16That spelling is based on their logo. http://www.valvesoftware.com/
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20> "I don't think this hacker has the malicious intent to release the credit card numbers."
*****. He's not a "nice guy". What pisses me off is people like him think they're taking a swing at the *company* they hack. They're not. They're taking a swing at people like me. In the end, it's the people whose credit card numbers were stolen that take a serious hit, not the company.
These ***** are sociopaths. - scriptdaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I'm kind of doubting the truth in this. I would expect Valve to notify their customers about it, and I would expect Valve to have a lot more money than what the "hacker" shows.
- Hurdy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Steam is also great because it provides a way for indies to release their game. I found a lot of interesting games using steam that I wouldn't been able to find out about without.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18i hope you didnt mean that you wanted the details to be leaked, because then you're ok with millions of people getting money stolen from their accounts just because you want revenge for ads?
- spect3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Ads in 1.6 is no big deal - you paid what???? $20 for the game 8 years ago? You've been playing online basically for free for the last 8 years and they have never asked anything of you.
Compare this to Blizzard who charges $15 a month for their online service.
Now tell me, how are a few advert's in a game going to really screw you up? Have you read the documentation on putting ads in CS? It's not as if they are going to plaster COCA COLA banners everywhere. They will be very select and far and few between. It's not going to interfere with gameplay... so stop caring so much.
Get real. - g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15***** bitch ass *****...
- leeDav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I find it highly entertaining he posted the thread almost two weeks ago, and nothing's been done about it.
Has he posted the "Excel file" containing all the credit card numbers? No.
Have Valve mentioned anything about it? No.
Would they? Only if the breach actually happened.
Is he an *****? Yes.
(And for the record, I love Steam. Never had a problem downloading games [such as HL2: Ep 1] and whatnot). - Kyrgizion, on 10/12/2007, -36/+48I have no idea what kind of morons are digging you down. You only spoke the truth. Valve ARE a bunch of conmen.
In fact, I pirated HL2 because I simply refused to use Steam. Had they provided a normal, offline solution, I would've gladly spent my dough on it.
Anyway, while I was playing my pirated version without any problems at all, legit customers could simply not log in and play OFFLINE because Valve's Steam servers suck arse. Now, if a pirated game has MORE to offer than an original one, what is this world coming to?
Valve, pull the plug on that Steam(ing pile of *****) and give freedom back to your customers. Then, and only then, I will gladly buy your games. Until then, though, I simply won't play them or I'll just torrent them. - SniperZero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Source will have ads soon the plans were for all the half life based games to have them. Don't worry they will come sooner or later.
- askewed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Credit cards are protected by the banks aren't they? If somebody notices an unauthorised transaction, they can contact their bank, who will talk to Mastercard/Visa and get the money back.
But yeah, a bit daft on Valve's part. - dime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Umm what the ***** kind of balance sheet is that?
Where are the fixed assets? Accumulated depreciation? 1.2 million in accounts receivable but absolutely nothing in accounts payable? "Net Income" as an equity account? 8 million dollars just sitting around in cash?
I call total *****. It looks like someone took the test client file that comes with bookkeeping software and changed some of the account names. - flave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@ anicenegro
If you hate steam that's all fine and good, but disseminating patently false information to make your point is a bad way to spread your message. The fact is that Valve did make mention of ads coming to 1.6. I don't like them at all, but there was mention all over a number of gaming forums I read. Valve tested out the addition of ads on a number of servers before implementing it across the board and while there was not widespread support for it among the 1.6 community, Valve definitely did notify them. The lack of a changelog with the "update" is definitely a bad move on Valve's part, but get your ***** straight before you start posting. - Jams, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Yeah but not debit cards! I just cancelled mine :(
Fair enough if this guy wants to hack steam, but It's completely wrong of him to screw over us paying customers by posting card details. I suppose most of you that don't care arn't old enough to have cards... - Cirok, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14if my details get leaked..time to sue
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If he was a white hat hacker he would have created a credit card record named "YOUR SECURITY SUCKS" and then emailed their admins telling them where the hole was.
- g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Malicious intent or not, CC numbers were released and all the ***** does is sit back and laugh. If you have issues with a company don't buy their products. Picket. Complain. Don't ***** it up for everyone else.
- funk49, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@scriptdaemon
Fortune 500 companies & major colleges all over the US suffer major breaches every year and never disclose them. Doing the right thing doesn't help the "bottom line", which is why laws are in place to force them to disclose. One example would be the huge Citibank intrusion a couple months ago. They didn't even notify a neighbor down the street.
Here's a link that contains info on companies and govt corps that have been nailed: http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm#CP - lighteater, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Ok, valve has sucky security -> they got hacked.
But why does the hacker has to be such a dick about it? The way his post is written he sounds like a 16yo attention whore with a grudge against the world "OMG U SUX VALVE, BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS NUMBERS ARE BELONG TO ME". Its really sad. - plnegative1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Why would Steam still have my credit card information? I never told them to save any of that!
- Cirok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10not sure if i should lock my account/get a new credit card etc.
- Agret, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"They could always charge you $20 to install CS. You'd bitch more then, and pray for ads."
What? They charged me $40AUD to install CS, I had to goto the shop and buy it after all. CS isn't a free game, it costs $15 on Steam. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just contacted Steam support asking whether the breach is true and whether I should cancel my credit card. I'll paste their reply here when I get it.
- Arbus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19I buy a few games through steam. I don't know why people are passionate either way about it. Hackers are clueless sociopath vandals.
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