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- Sikaffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+103Not only in México. That happens in all the countries of Latin America. In fact, México is in better situation, in the videogames topics, than others countries of LA. Example: Xbox 360 officially in México, with technical support, etc... That doesn't exist in other countries of LA, like Honduras (Where I Live).
- Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -8/+87Dugg your comment because of your effort in spelling Mexico correctly.
- boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57This may be true, but they call their Miis "Wiimigos." How cool is that?
- TreeHuggerChick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20$400 US for DSL? And then only 4 megabits? No wonder so many people are sneaking across the border.
I'd die, man. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"Could you live as a gamer below the border?"
It probably isn't too bad. The pirated games in the markets make up for it. I kid... I kid... ;) - heynow21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This would explain why Carlos Slim is the second richest man in the world, Mexican Internet users give him half of their paychecks.
- KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I second that. Now who's up for some Scrabble?
- CkMaverick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22@bigdane
We did take it over, it was called the Spanish-American War, except we didn't want it and gave it back to them and just took our southwestern states. We didn't want it then and we don't want it now. We don't have to dominate any country doing poorer than us. Because of that war we became one of the first nations in history to conquer another country and not take it over. It is what gave America such a good name at the time as being a peaceful economic nation rather than a conquering dictating beast. Of course this is all history now, but stop being so damn elitist and have some heart for our economically suffering southern brethren. - litebox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@bigdane
Yeah that will be because perhaps there are a lot more Mexicans than you think, who don't want to flee to United States. What makes you think that us, i mean the rest of Mexicans, would agree to be a North American Union State? I mean that proposal would be very unpopular in Mexico, that even a little hint by any politician in favour of the proposal would wreak havoc in the population, so please stop being arrogant and try reading a little more on the subject. (I recommend The Bear and the Porcupine by Jeffrey Davidow).
I just read your second post
" just take the damn 'country' over and make it number 51 of our fine republic."
Yeah as i said above there are several of us too who think that we should protect our country against any invasion, and yeah we are actually willing to die for that cause (By several i mean several millions).
"Mexico would be a damn fine place to pioneer solar power with their vast amount of sunlight/desert."
Wow, you are an idiot! - HexInfinity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11While the newer systems are expensive, the pirate scene is amazingly big. I can get an XBOX and about 50 games for $300. Flea markets rule there. The PSOne still does; games sell for $2.
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@GawtMilk
Interested? I'll take $200 off for you, one time only. ;) - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Think Mexico is bad? Try gaming in Brazil.
The Wii costs US$1,200 over there. - PueSi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I just want to clarify certain things.
The $400 4Mbps DSL plan has 1Mbps upload speed, i think it's supposed to be for business.
The more normal speeds prices are like $40 for 1.5Mbps, I pay $35 (plus $30 for cable) for 1Mbps down and 256kbps up.
The prices really suck and you must keep in mind that we get payed a lot less than you guys. The official minimum wage is around $4 dollars PER DAY. - Wahoo06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Mexico is a correct spelling, the same way Estados Unidos is. You cannot expect everyone to spell it the same way (I imagine the people of Japan are no more fond of Japón than Japan). Differences in language are a simple reality.
- oarmas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You lie. I live in Mexico city, have DSL of 1MB for 35USD a month, bought my Wii for 400USD(yes, that was expensive) and no one I know uses old modems.
Por que mientes tanto?
Omar - DontEatTheFish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8a wii was 5000 pesos(like $500 US)
- squareyard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8this is false. DSL connection is NOT 400 dollars a month. it's 50 bucks a month and it includes a phone plan.
400 dollars is probably if you live in some village in the forest in De La Verga and need a satellite uplink to play which means you deserve to hemorrhage money for being such a retard in having chosen to live in the forest of De La Verga.
inaccurate. - sirjago, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9thats why there are shootings at schools in there(USA), because you reject everybody, look at the commets, they are related to videogames and the people make comments about mexico and inmigration. thats very pathetic.
stop your discrimination. - sofaKing812, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ CkMaverick
I think you are referring to the Mexican-American War during 1846-48.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War
During the 1898 Spanish-American War the US gained Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines, and Cuba (kind of).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-american_war
These are just wikipedia articles, but they should help you out. - PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Thank you for spelling México correctly! :)
And yes to be a gamer in México is hell. It's bad enough to be a console gamer, but to be a PC gamer... I'm trying to build a PC with dual GeForce 8800 GTX, and so far I've had to deal extremely overpriced components (when I can find them) and if I try to import something from USA I have to deal with a extremely corrupt governement whose officials try to get a bribery from everything, and that's when the rats play nice and try to give you your stuff, sometimes the goodies will simply get missing - litebox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@CkMaverick
"We did take it over, it was called the Spanish-American War"
Really?, wow, i am so amazed by your ignorance, Mexico had nothing to do (at least directly) with the Spanish-American War, get your facts straight and try reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American_War
I mean i could be wrong, you are the one with the superior educational system. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just check out Mexico if you want to see how the US will be in 50 years. No, I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about our fine leadership coveting their finely tuned corruption.
- PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The scary thing is that USA is making some of the key mistakes that made México such a ***** contry: a political class that cannot be argued with, political parties that are more focused in getting the power than thinking in long term planning, politicians who can legally be corrupted by "sponsors", and a government that punishes any kind of dissidence in the name of "national security". You seem hellbent in killing everything that made USA so great.
- Zaetha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My brother used to work on Gamerush-Blockbuster (Yes, Blockbuster is one of the big videogame stores around here besides Samborns and Game Planet, imagine that!). It was a PITA for him. Ending his shift he had to reorder all the sale and rental games because people always misplaced it. It was common to found a PS2 DBZ front case on a Xbox DBZ game section and stuff like that. And it was one of the biggest Gamerush in México. And I remember he asked me a lot to try "defective" 360 games for clients because I was the only one there with a 360. We knew it was the console in every case, but his boss asked us to try it anyway. But we found big deals, like $99 pesos for an used PGR3 (but it was like new).
The Internet here sucks, plain and simple. 1 megabit for like $50 a month is too much. But it was worst before, 512 kilobits at that same price.
I remember when Oblivion came out and I couldn't find it. About a week and a half later, I had to pay almost a thousand pesos (like US$100) for the 360 Collector's Edition in Game Planet. At that time it was the only place in town with a copy. Worth every penny... centavo, I mean. - TreeHuggerChick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Bigdane... please go shoot yourself.
"If your so called 'country' is worth dying for, why do so many of your citizens risk death for a chance of economic prosperity in America?"
Because for some people, that's worth it. Different people have different values, and different people feel differently about different things. Just because some Mexicans come to the US illegally, not all of them want to be a part of it.
"I highly doubt anyone in Mexico would be opposed to clean drinking water and respectable wages accompanied by a US takeover."
First off, there's more to the cleaner water than the United States government. You have to take into account the areas in which the water is not safe. Just because the land would be declared US soil, the water wouldn't automatically purify itself, and the factors that cause the water to be polluted in the way it is would take years upon years to be fixed. And in case you haven't noticed, the United States isn't exactly a champion of the environment, so I doubt that the water would get any cleaner anyway, seeing as how the US water just gets more and more polluted. Besides, while better wages would be appreciated, there are a hundred other problems with the US that they might not want to deal with, especially with the current administration, and besides, how can you just assume that these people wouldn't want to remain their own country? Canada has free health care for all her citizens and pays higher wages than we do in America, but do you see Americans clamoring to join that country? No.
"Not that I want your crappy ass country to be a part of mine but your entire population leeches off the United States so we might as well take you over and collect taxes from your wages."
You know, I think I know why other countries WOULDN'T want to join the United States. It's people like you. "We might as well take you over"??? Okay, Hitler, nice one. And the entire population doesn't leech off the United States, that's idiocy. There are a few people who do, granted, but to be fair, there are more Americans who leech off the United States government than anyone else. Give me a break, you hatemonger.
"Seriously... Mexicans should come to America, work, and go BACK to Mexico to, in theory, make the country a better place by investing their hard earned money."
Okay... so first you complain about the Mexicans who do abuse the system, then you say that they should do exactly that. You, sir, make no sense whatsoever.
"Is it only I who see the entire Mexican population emigrating to America and not returning to their homeland?"
I think so, since it's not what's happening. Some people from Mexico have done that, but it's actually a ridiculously small number that's blown up by the media to freak people out and make a big deal out of something that's really not as horrible as it's made out to be. But of course, being the typical conservative jackass, you've jumped to conclusions after being totally informed by whatever Fox News tells you. Way to go.
"just take the damn 'country' over and make it number 51 of our fine republic."
Okay, first of all, if the US was to take over Mexico, it wouldn't be a state, it would be a territory. Idiot. But more importantly, we are not Nazi Germany. We are not Napoleonic France. We are not the USSR. We can't just take over other countries because we think we could benefit off of them when our country was founded upon the principle of FREEDOM.
"Mexico would be a damn fine place to pioneer solar power with their vast amount of sunlight/desert."
... Right. Because the United States doesn't get sunlight. And... what do deserts have to do with solar power?! We used to have solar power panels on our roof, and from what I remember, we lived nowhere near a desert.
It's people like you that convince me that abortion should be legal. - fdantas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4In Brazil a PS3 retails for R$ 3500, which is about $1750. And you dont get any sort of support. If you get a faulty unit, its your problem. True, many gamers resort to pirated software, but thats because original games cost around R$ 300 or $150. Its almost as if were the wealthy ones. You guys have it real easy there. Cheap HDTVs and cheap-o consoles. Its almost hurtful hear you complain about how bad it is there.
- zaskie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3this is a different México than the one i live in ... i can go to costco and buy games, or consoles, sometimes i get DVD's (Legal DVD's ) before they are released in the states (i got 24, spiderman weeks before they were released in the states, and did i mention legal DVD's at costo) i remember all the fuzz that was going in america when the wii came out and a friend called me to tell me if he shoud get it here in México 100 bucks below the selling price on ebay.
i was amuzed when my kids told me that "tickle me elmo" was at soriana (a nationwide store like walmart) at 70 bucks ... the same price i paid for it on ebay, plus the trip to bring it back home.
i have been buying DVDs, books and games on amazon and B&N since the early 2000 and they were delivered at my front door ... in México. As i recall the first book was bought with yahoo points i somehow earned ...
at this moment i have connected to the internet two computers, two xbox 360 with 5 kids playing halo (one copy was rented for just over 4 bucks for the whole weekend at blockbuster) and there is no lag ... btw we have two ISP that offer DSL in my city and currently i dont know anyone thats using dialup
Its true we dont have a decent videogame store, DSL isnt cheap (40 bucks a month) and the price of videogames is not the same as in the states, but we are not in the dark ages ... we dont ride donkeys (or is it donkies Mr Quayle?) and you can get almost anything at a fair price ... this guy just need to stop whining and get out more
hope you guys welcome him in the states - Aharoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In Israel Wii costs $537, the Xbox 360 costs $741 and the PS3 costs $921 (lowest price comparing online retailers). Each game costs roughly $76 - $120 (and then they ask why there's so much pirating going on).
Not as bad as Mexico, I guess, but (and I guess that applies to Mexico as well) we don't earn our salaries in USD (minimum wage is around $4.2/hour)...
Among the 3 consoles only the PS3 is officially imported. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not just supply & demand. Also try corporate exploitation, price gouging, corrupt government, etc.
- PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Totally agree, that man made a fortune having the monopoly of mexican telecom, he just had to play nice with the presidents *cough* assloads of money *cough*
- Enderic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I live in Panama and Gears of Wars is $84. It sucks that much.
- KineticShampoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's true. I pay 59$ for 256kbps connection DSL. =(
- litebox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@bigdane
"why do so many of your citizens risk death for a chance of economic prosperity in America?"
Maybe Necesity? i mean i am not denying the fact that a lot of Mexicans emigrate to the United States, that is not my point of discussion, i am not saying Mexico is a country free of corruption or poverty, i am just saying that it is still a country, which is our country. And we have a LOT of people (more than the ones who emigrate) who are fighting and working everyday for our own country improvement even with a $4 dollar minum wage a day.
"Why then is your government against a border fence dividing the two countries?"
Well as a matter of fact several members of congress didnt care about the wall, i mean personally if you wanna put up a fence it is your country and your right, and many people thought the same way, but the media, as you may know, exaregated the facts, and started to oppose to the fence in sake of the security of the migrants. (Because they may get into even dangerous zones or have to pay more money to dangerous smuglers affiliated to Drug Cartels). I dont, and many people didnt agree with that.
"How do you expect to build a country when your citizens and government support working in America?"
Are you so sure about that, i am a citizen and dont support it, but i understand that many people necesities are unbearable, and they got to do what they got to do to sustain their families. You should read the latest declarations by Mexican President Felipe Calderon, you will find out he doesnt support or endorses emigration.
"I highly doubt anyone in Mexico would be opposed to clean drinking water and respectable wages accompanied by a US takeover."
Well i agree to disagree here with you, you see you fail to see this issue from our cultural point of view.
You may understand more about it if you could read a little more on the subject. Or maybe visit
Mexico and meet some people.
"Not that I want your crappy ass country to be a part of mine but your entire population leeches off the United States so we might as well take you over and collect taxes from your wages. :)"
Again, check again it may be numerous but it is not the "entire" population, you sould check how much people working ilegally in the US pay taxes or gets taxes discounted from their paychecks, and dont use benefits because they are afraid to be deported.
If you live in a poor neighborhood, with a minimum wage job, does that makes your family, your identity, your culture or even your country unworthy of dying for? - kriptonian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oh, men, why many of you consider calling yourselves "Americans" México is the most American Country that ever exist, the socalled U.S. of a B... -erm, i mean U.S. of America - are nothing else than an stupid brittish colony -maybe that's why you can't understand it-
- PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Get the Xbox 360, the ring of death is less common now and you can get "backup copies" for it :)
- PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"ok lets make a deal. If you convince your countrymen to stop sneaking into my country, i will stop discriminating against you."
Here's a sweeter deal, if you stop buying drugs the drug cartels won't be doing everything they want and we will be able to build a better contry, and that means less inmigration, you can't miss this oportunity! ;) - GotMex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just for the record, I live in Mexico and pay about $100 bucks a month for digital cable, VoIP phone line, and 3mbps internet with an all-in-one package. I do BF2 gaming all the time and get 30-60 pings on most servers. The game consoles ARE more expensive, probably cause of you know, import taxes. But this is everywhere in latin america.
- KineticShampoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You think Mexico is in a ***** situation? Trust me Bolivia (where I live) and Perú are the WORST. A PS3 here costs 1600$ and a '360 costs 1200$. It's daylight robbery.
Lickily I'm travelling to the US in about a week and I'm scared *****, I don't know what system to buy. I don't like Wii so the choices are between '360 and PS3. Which should I get? I don't want the "red ring of death" because I will not be able to get it fixed here in Bolivia.
Of course pirated games here are RAMPANT. Even cops here buy movies and games for like 0.80 USD each. I love my town, but it's getting ridiculous. - PatoLucas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agree with zaetha, I'm still looking for F.E.A.R. :(
- EvilFerret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, it's not a 4MBsec connection....it's 4Mb/sec. I could get a DSL plan in my area that offers those speeds for about $25/month. I'll stick with cable though, costs me about $80/month but I get 12Mb/sec...not too bad.
- Mankal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is this 4 Megabytes per second we're talking about here? That seems pretty fast to me...then again I live in the country getting something like 700+kbps which seems fairly speedy to me.
- neop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This guy should mention where he lives, at least in Mexico City, things are very different from what he says. First of all, while broadband Internet connections are expensive, he's exaggerating. For about $40 you can get a 1 Mbps connection with 512 Kbps upload, which is not that great, but it's good enough for most things.
About game prices, it's not that bad either. The main problem is that there is no control over what a game should be sold at, so the prices varies depending on the retailer you choose. If you buy your games at retailers like El Palacio de Hierro, then games are going to be really expensive, but if you're a gamer, and know which stores have the best prices, then you can (legally) get games for quite a decent price. For example, let's say I want to buy the new Paper Mario game for the Wii. If you know where to buy, you can legally get if for 650 pesos. In Mexico however, prices usually include the sales tax since the sales tax is 15% which sometimes can really raise a price. So,if you get this game in the US, the game is 50 dollars plus sales tax which depends on where you live, suppose it's 8%, then you pay 54 dollars for the game. 1 dollar is usually around 11 pesos, so making the currency conversion, in the US you'd pay 594 pesos for a game. That only a 56 pesos difference which is about 5 dollars, which does not seem too outrageous to me. In fact, I recently traveled to Canada and bought some games which after taxes and currency conversion ended up being more expensive in Canada than it would have been in Mexico.
My only real complaint is that here in Mexico when a game includes some sort of hardware accessory the price goes WAY up. For example Guitar Hero II is usually somewhere around 1450 pesos if you get it at a decent place. Which is about 132 dollars which is way more than the 80 dollars that you'd pay for the game in the US. Sometimes very popular games have a slightly higher price (about 10 dollars higher) but usually if you wait a couple of weeks the price will go down to decent amounts. Game consoles are also a lot more expensive than the equivalent in the US, but I think that what's really important is the game prices. - tommyvercetti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok I understand the gripes about imported game systems being really expensive, but I don't get the deal how hard it is to find games. I have friends from Pakistan, India, and Mid East, and after talking to them I am actually jealous. Yes, new game systems aren't officially released, so there are gray market importers, but as soon as the game system becomes some what common (1 + year after it is released), finding any and every game becomes as hard as just walking down to the electronics section of the market. I have seen pictures, and there are stacks and stacks of game CD/DVDs. Yes, they are all pirated, but games aren't officially released there to begin with. I have had friends take their PS2 and XBOX back there and had them modded.
If these countries have it, I don't see how Mexico doesn't have it. - dioh10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I got FEAR from coapa. $700 pesos.
- Woknblues, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yes, it really is....if you lived in any third world country, you would know.. think about it, eat, or play x-box...
- String, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I live in México and it isn't that bad... you can just import your games online or go to the US and buy them there =)
also... there are 2 internet providers... =P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most of the new games for the 360 are $70 here in the US. Considering that they are either developed or burned here in the US or in japan it's hard to expect zero difference.
Sure it's hard to get things on time, and it stinks to pay premium prices for stuff that's already old. Just think about all the ricers who want a nissan skyline but can't get one for under $40k... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mexico is not a ***** country its poor because america ***** mexico so many times!
- tektalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@zaskie
damn! your life is going pretty smooth, the world you portray is on the farthest spectrum of what is going on in this article. - Arkun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am a mexican gamer. Games here are really expensive ($70-$80dlls for a new/hyped game) and much more for a new generation console, add a $35dlls ***** Internet connection per month... it just sucks.
But we are trying, I haven't bought a pirated game in years, mexican gamers want to support the video game industry even with that prices and release dates. Microsoft is helping with tech support, translations and promotions, Nintendo has always been a strong company in latin america, Sony is... well, launching the PS3 officially in México this year (maybe, and with prices around 1100dlls). Maybe we need more help from companies...
(and I'm RLY sorry for my english). -
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