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- ChrisRX, on 10/12/2007, -8/+92People should realise that just because a console has the same architecture doesn't make it the same machine. I mean pretty much most PCs are using the x86 architecture but people buy new PCs all the time. You wouldn't dismiss buying a new PC just because it's an "overclocked" version of your old one.
And they have also upgraded the graphics in the wii, which allows for new graphical effects compared to the gamecube. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -24/+104You can't really be this stupid.
Which looks better?
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/764/764426/img_3097528.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3981186.html
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/482/482119/img_2129097.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3914536.html
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/016/016292/img_1610487.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3981185.html
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/482/482228/img_2463362.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3996244.html
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/016/016292/img_1610491.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3996243.html
1: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/482/482228/img_2453000.html
or 2: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/821/821973/img_3795376.html - davidod87, on 10/12/2007, -5/+83The last time I heard "brain" used to describe a CPU was 1994.
- slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -7/+66For all you people complaining about graphics: If you think graphics are what make a game, you need to sit down with a NES for a while.
- primecut17, on 10/12/2007, -15/+63@nazuraki
Uh.. maybe you didn't notice that the screenshots you put up for the Wii are 1600x960? The Wii outputs at 480. - blofeld9999, on 10/12/2007, -7/+52I might be on crack. But a faster CPU + faster GPU with more memory with allow for better graphics.
- uberlord, on 10/12/2007, -11/+52Maybe you didn't notice, but the gameplay videos look 100% identical to those pics. I've played both games in person, and Red Steel is a major improvement in terms of graphics.
Whether or not they are real is irrelevant, they show what the game looks like, and therefore serve the same purpose as the Xbox screens. - REXNFX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43Did you see Resident Evil 4? That was amazing. Maybe developers can extend the "end of the life cycle graphics techniques" of the Gamecube and bring them to the Wii if the architecture is similar enough. That could help out until the full power of the Wii is harnessed. Anyway, I will follow Zelda. Wherever she goes I go.
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45well it might be a overpowered Game Cube but you know what I had fun with my Game Cube, and I also had fun with PS2 which was the under powered conolse of Generation 6. So all the raw horse power might be good, but it comes down to the gameplay. I mean Okami doesn't have the greatest graphics, but dang it is one good game.
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40Of course it has the same architecture, Nintendo said Broadway was a souped up Gekko a long time ago. But who would deny that an Athlon 64 4000+ is faster than a Athlon 64 3000+? Nobody, that's who.
Now bump up the other system specs a bit, and what have you got? A system 2-3x the power of the Gamecube, that's what. For those of you that forgot, that's what Nintendo has stated all along.
Also, if you bother to read the article, you'll see that this guy isn't even bashing the Wii. - Micrll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36For my personal taste I just can't get into many of the games for the NES, but the SNES now there is a system with both gameplay and bright colorful graphics.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Doesn't make a difference to me anymore, either. It will be more powerful than anything from the PS2/Xbox/GC generation, I'm happy with that. I'm even happy with current gen..
Besides, all the power doesn't lie completely in the CPU either, there's the new video chip too, more/faster RAM, etc.
The games are not going to look like ass..Does anyone really think that any time a new generation of games and hardware comes along, that the previous automatically looks terrible? Look at some of the fantastic looking games still coming out for the last generation of consoles.. - martinj88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31The CPU isn't really the biggest part of the console......i mean Half-Life 2 only needs 1.2GHz
RAM and GPU is where it counts - Edrick, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31What are you talking about? Okami's stunning.
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24@goat77
The 360 does not have three G5's. It has a tri-core G5. Please know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
Also, the Wii isn't using a G5 for the same reason Apple never used G5's in their notebook computers. They run hot and suck power. This conflicts directly with one of Nintendo's main goals with the Wii. That is to say, they wanted it small and quiet.
You are right, however, that there is no sense is comparing the Wii's specs to the 360's. That's why nobody is doing it. All they are saying is that the Wii is "good enough" and that the trade offs are worth it. - Ashkc88, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24How could you forget Metroid Prime? The Windwaker was beautiful too.
- Micrll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I think okami is just a testament to how artistic ability and creativity can make up for any physical short commings of a platform.
- Oktober, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Really though, how many games looked as good as RE4?
- LouisC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19That's one of the reasons why they're using the same architecture. Developers can already develop for the GC, so the Wii will be easy. Plus, they powered it up and added some new stuff so for now, they can use the techniques they used for the GC games that looked really good, but with more data per disk which allows for nicer textures, bigger levels, etc... Then, eventually, they'll figure out how to use the Wii's newer features that the GC didn't have, and games will look even better than, say, Red Steel or Excite Truck (which really looks sick).
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22A 1.2 GHz x86, no less. G3 chips (Broadway is a modified G3) are much more efficient per Mhz than x86 chips. Add to that the fact that the Wii chip is specialized for gaming, and you've got something that could handle HL 2 in it's full glory easily.
For those that never saw the X-Box HL2, it looked like ass. That in itself proves that the Wii can out-muscle the X-Box. - kcpwnsgman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20hes talking about how the graphics of the game, while they look good, are not as intensive as features in other modern games.
- Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -7/+231)How does the controller not work properly? Maybe it doesnt work how YOU thought it would, but obviously it works how nintendo wanted it
2)All the games the same? Do I even need to counter this?
3)Haha, isnt xbox 360 and PS3 just hyper powerful xbox and ps2s? - Sophistifunk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Yeah, and a p4 is just an overclocked 386.
- Elric1977, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Why are we still crying about Graphics? Didn't that stop when the XBOX blew away the PS2, or even the Gamecube blowing away the PS2? But the PS2 with the weakest Graphics still came out on top.
So complain all you want about Graphics, but then try explaining your irony to your ignorant brain why you bought a PS2.
The Wii is ALL about the gameplay (and the Games stupid!), and once you play it, you'll finally "get it" and stop whining. I played it a couple weeks ago and am DYING to own my very own. - Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22@motang: You realize that by discrediting Okami's graphics, you are invalidating your opinion regarding anything related to videogames, right?
Okami is _easily_ the best looking games ever made, not to mention being an excellent game on top of that. - LouisC, on 10/12/2007, -4/+171) Also, david, have you used the controller? I have, and it's ultra-sensitive and worked JUST as I expected it to.
2) Yeah, that wasn't worth responding to...
3) What's the purpose of switching architectures anyway? It's just annoying for developers, and for the console makers because now in order to have backward compatibility, they have to use emulators. The XBOX 360 and the PS3 basically did the same thing that Nintendo did, except moreso because they're focusing more on graphics. All the XBOX 360 and PS3 is is a hyper-powerful XBOX or PS2, except with the XBOX 360, you can only play select XBOX games so you have to keep your XBOX if you want to play the games that aren't compatible. Oh, and you have to download them onto the harddrive. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14is the cliff rendered in 1080p?
- afex, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22your statement leads me to believe that you think there was a lot of hype surrounding the wii...
now, if you're saying reality is 'catching up'...wouldn't that mean that the reality is matching the hype, e.g. the wii is going to rock?
(note: this is a rhetorical question, because the wii will of course rock) - Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16On point # 3 I meant that they dont have much in terms of features or anything that the other systems dont have. They are basicly just alot more powerful
- brusty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Resident Evil 4 for Gamecube had the best graphics I've seen for ANY of the last generation consoles. Funny how so many people complained about how the Gamecube couldn't compare in graphics when it most certainly did.
Wii will do the same. Plus, it's not about the damn hardware, it's about UTILIZATION of the hardware.
I'm expecting Wii to win this battle of the console war. I haven't been this excited about a system launch since the original NES! - magus_melchior, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@ZenMojo: Yeah, and how did optional control schemes fare in console gaming history? If Nintendo had done that, practically no developer would've bothered building new games for it.
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Reziarfg
Correct me if I'm reading wrong, but are you saying that your games lag when you're compiling code or using BitTorrent? Because... well... duh.
If you're saying they lag even with nothing running in the background, then I'd ask what games you're running. I have yet to have a problem with my Athlon 64 3000+.
You are, however, correct in saying that on a console you're not running a bloated OS and (probably) other apps in the background.
Note - That's not a bash on any particular OS, just that all computer OS's are bloated when it comes to the purpose of gaming. - eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Actually the fact sheet really was leaked on the IBM web site, I saw it myself. IBM has since taken down the PDF, however, and I have been unable to find another copy.
The only thing is that the word "Broadway" was never used. It did look suspiciously like the alleged Wii CPU though. - skywake, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@goat77 and everyone else that thinks along those lines
EVERYONE knows that the Wii will be the least powerful of the 3 consoles, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. The point is that people are labeling the Wii as the "GC2" and are missing the entire point of what the Wii is about. The Wii is the least powerful of the next gen consoles, but that doesn't mean its the least entertaining or the least 'fun'.
I personally don't care what its actual specs are or if its more or less powerful then this console or that console. My DS gets pwned by just about everything... probably even my DVD player.... but that doesn't mean that its less fun or not worth the money. Wii is more powerful then last gen but is less powerful then its current competition. I thought everyone would have realized by now that power isn't everything... what will you all be doing when hardware reaches its limits? - aywwts4, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12eplawless: I know it isn't what you were aiming for, but I honestly don't see much of a difference between those Wii/PS3 shots, that I assume are supposed to blow me away, and I certainly don't see a many hundred dollar difference. Maybe If I were to study it for a while i might see some extra shadows and stuff, but if I'm doing that the game isn't terribly engaging is it?
The last game I remember looking at the texture and graphic quality was Unreal Tournament 2003, Because the gameplay was boring. Compared to a great game around the same time, Mafia, I thought the game was beautiful, just because of the world they painted, the palletes and the colours, not because it was technicaly advanced. - BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I agree. However, the artistic ability of the artists also plays a big role in the quality of the graphics.
- TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Agreed, I don't know how many computer games I've played because they were the graphical cutting edge, but the majority of them were uninstalled within an hour because the gameplay just wasn't worth it. I'm buying the Wii as a party type system, a group of friends can all play some addictive games and thats how it goes, graphics aren't gonna matter jack when me and my friends are having a good time.
- finalbroadcast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Has it really come to this? Where each rumor pulled from some forum is given space as the next gospel. I don't put too much faith in a guy who knew a guy who saw a "fact sheet". While all the conjecture fills up Digg, and Slashdot for us to scream like idiots, none of this is true. These gaming blogs don't have much for access and the Big N is locking everyone out on the real specs. So the blogs are out their usual source of just linking whatever regular gaming magazines cover. (As an aside here I'm not condemning all the gaming blogs, just those that do little more than fuel a rumor mill.) I would like to know what's under the hood before I invest.
- headstash, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8This is getting retarded. Nintendo has said from the start that it wasn't going to compete with MS or Sony on hardware or graphics. Its not about pushing pixels as much as it about having fun playing video games and Nintendo is gambling that their innovation, not horsepower will draw you to their console. Like it or not, the Wii is certainly different. If its as good as they say it is, don't let you pride get in the way of spending the $250 on one.
- Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7WWII sims for everyone!
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Maybe developers can extend the "end of the life cycle graphics techniques" of the Gamecube and bring them to the Wii"
Yup, that's the whole point of Wii being so similar - GerbilSoft, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5bigthecat: Switching from single-core to dual-core using the same instruction set isn't the same as switching from one instruction set (e.g. x86) to another instruction set (e.g. PowerPC). With single-core to dual-core, the same code runs on both. Moving from x86 to PowerPC, however, requires either emulation or a recompile (or rewrite if the code was written poorly).
- PFS1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8>> Actually nick, you're completely wrong on point number 3. They're completely different archetectures.
O RLY? And tell me, when you play a game, to what degree do you experience the architecture?
The 360 is a more powerful xbox, and the PS3 is a more powerful PS2, even if they happen to be using a new instruction set this time around. Multithreading and all that fancy stuff is nice, but if you think that in the end- when you actually play the game- that it amounts to anything more than a power upgrade, you're fooling yourself.
Laughing at Nintendo for putting out a "souped up" version of their past hardware- while denying that Sony or Microsoft have done the same thing- only reveals how much you're turned on by a fancy codename and slick marketing. - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"and Microsoft has overclocked and improved theirs to an amazing rate."
I didn't realize that overclocking a single-core x86 (Xbox) makes it a triple-core PowerPC (X360)... - mikesherov, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Wow, another "Wii's graphics aren't great" post. Didn't we already have this discussion 600 times?
If you want better graphics, get an Xbox360.
If you want innovative play mechanics, get a Wii.
If you want to spend $600 for "WWII sim 75" and "hooker-shoot-em-up 11", get a PS3.
Can we move along? - aweraw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@ZenMojo
1.5x, eh? Care to give us the methodology you used to come up with that number? I suppose it involved reaching into your anus and pulling out what ever you could get a grip on?
@popfrogs
Yeah, more red in the same fashion that you now get to look at your *****-erotic hero Solid Snake's muscular physique WITH ((OMFG)) MORE POLYGONS THAN LAST TIME... AWESOME!!!!1!!1!!!wun
One thing is for sure... rabid Sony fan boys certainly like solid snake (not the video game character) - opnickc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6FTA: ". . . a 90nm die shrink of the Gekko hardware that's intended to run at up to 900MHz."
From Wikipedia: The Gamecube runs at 485 MHz.
An 86% performance increase over the GCN? Oh NOES IT'S JUST A GAMECUBE WITH A REMOTE!!!1!!
Sorry anti-wii crowd, but the Wii is significantly more powerful than the Gamecube. Certainly not as powerful as the PS3 and 360, but significantly above last-gen hardware. - decay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3God of War2 and Okami and the new Zelda are the ones to look out for.
- Ndiggnation, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12@ Oktober: Many games looked just as great on the GC. Any of the LOTR games (espeically ROTK and The Third Age), any of the Splinter Cell games, Beyond Good and Evil, and of the other Res. Evil games..those are just some of the better looking ones I happen to own. There are undoubtedly more that are just as good looking as RE4 is..
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6thank you, that is one of the biggest points as to why the wii looks as great as it does. the developers have not had to spend countless hours trying to learn subtle nuances, and an entire new architecture that is the ps3. the 7-8 cores of the system are even a mute point when you're talking about games that will be made cross-platform since the other consoles can't take advantage of that many cores, and thus the developers are far less likely to code for those cores except on exclusive titles.
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