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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26lol @ "poorly-manufactured, unstable game"
Newsflash, this isn't the 80's anymore. Most pirate goods are just the same as originals. - nosebleed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Digg for the drawing of the pirate in the first image.
- Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Nothing new here, these are the traits of any pirated product ever.
Still, it's something is being done about the problem. - VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11It sucks that used DS carts aren't a "safe buy" anymore, but I do hope that the availability of blank DS carts opens the door for homebrew.
- emrikol, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16This is different than downloading a song or a movie. This is someone making a profit from their downloading. I may download stuff sometimes, but I'll be damed if I sell it. I am very VERY anti-selling-of-downloaded-stuff-that-isn't-yours-to-sell
- dolson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I bought some GBA games on eBay, and the seller swore up and down that they were legit, even after I asked why it said "Nintondo" on the back of the cart.
Google for "eBay scam artists" and my link is about the 4th one down or so, if you wanna read about my adventures. I should add some pics later. - Slummock, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Well, myself am thankful for this, I am getting my DS Lite next week and I was planning on grabbing some cheap games. Wasn't thinking about pirated games and could have easily fallen into this.
- Daedalus81, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thats isn't a valid comparison since you've stolen a physical object from a store, which directly affects their bottom line. If someone downloads a movie and was never going to buy it in the first place there is no financial impact on any business except for a perceived one.
From my point of view :
Downloading movies is morally wrong.
Downloading movies and selling them is legally wrong. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Yeah, there's a whole world of difference between stealing and stealing & selling stolen property.
- stable, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7DCUK beat me to it. Those arguments are, for the most part, not applicable nowadays. Only Copyright holders feel the need to use them to induce FUD.
- levyjl1988, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Kinda reminds me of people making fake bills, Poke'mon cards and Yu-Gi-Oh cards, now where are they, who still plays them, exactly! lol !
- scottauth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why did you buy it if it said "Nintondo?"
Of course he would swear up and down, he's a scam artist! - Daedalus81, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That is funny, because the DS games mostly range between $20-30. Exactly what business model are you referring to?
- Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3People are outraged by this, because if you go to a store and pay $30 for a game, you better be getting that game, rather than something made in someones basement.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I bought a GBA game off of ebay a while back. Once I got it I could tell it was pirated because the sticker and plastic were completely different. The game worked perfectly fine, though. After I got bored with it I traded it in for store credit. Sucks that these shady dealers are making a profit from someone else's hard work but I didn't get "ripped off" really. The game worked just as well as any other GBA game I owned and I got it for like five bucks.
- mpeg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3er.. homebrew DS software has been available for a while now
there's the m3 adapter to play music, watch movies and read books on your ds, and there's stuff like the palib libraries for homebrew development on the ds - zbose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4kolop1:
Copyright infringement is not stealing. When you steal someones car, you deprive them of their car. When you "steal" a copy of a game, you are only depriving the copyright holder of additional revenue (and profit). To a company, you pirating a game has the same impact as you not buying (and not playing) the game. So if pirating = stealing, then refusing to purchase (and not playing) = stealing as well. - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3emrikol
Maybe instead of trying to convince yourself that you're a good person you should try replying to what I said...
I'll repeat - how does not paying for copyright infringment make it any more moral than paying for it? - cathode, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Cool, cheaper games will be available. Now I know to buy these from pirates on ebay. I'll just type in "ARRRRrrr" at the search prompt.
- kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2InsomniaSlim
If you steal an mp3 it is stealing. You are taking money away from the artist and the record company.
I so own some music that i have not purchased, and if i found a working copy of a DS game even if it is bootlegged, as long as it is cheap I will buy it.
By your logic the video game company is not loosing money anyway because they didn't have my money to start with. The same as mp3s i download.
Stop trying to moralize what you do. Stealing is stealing weather you pay for a bootleg of a video game, or download a bootleg copy of a movie. I ask you what is the difference if you download a movie for free, or buy a bootleg copy off the subway for cheap? Either way the movie company does not make money. - ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Has it occured to you that the people buying the carts instead of just buying a flashcart are the ones that legitimately buy DVDs and music? No, I guess not.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My GBA copy of Super Mario Bros 3 worked perfectly. Got it off of ebay for $5. The only thing different was that the plastic was slightly a different shade of gray.
- emrikol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah, that's the difference for my morals, because I do not consider it stealing. I consider it copyright infrigement, WHICH IT IS! If I like something, then I buy it. There are a lot of movied and cds that I've bought by downloading a few things "immorally" and then have helped out the artist. The one example I can think of off the top of my head is MC Lars. I "stole" his music, I liked it, and then I bought some CDs.
I AM SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON! - rm999, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"This is someone making a profit from their downloading."
So you have to pay for it and suddenly it is immoral? That's some weird morals. Either way, the creator of the content did not get paid for the work they put into it... - crawf061, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8haha... I'm with you
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thanks Unicron, I had really lost faith in digg seeing all these dumb fanboys come out.
- The_Decryptor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"poorly-manufactured, unstable game"
The sad thing is, most real products you buy are "poorly-manufactured" and "unstable", quality has just gone downhill in the last few years.
Although, there are some exceptions to that (e.g. some companies that realise quality matters) - fohf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2dude! they're only $30! stop being such a cheap bastard.
- InsomniaSlim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Am I the only person who is thinking about licenses?
If I buy a copy of software, a movie, or music, I'm not buying that object... I purchasing a license that grants me the limited right to use that property for my own personal use.
Sure, I can get a copy of just about anything out there... What I'm PAYING FOR is the RIGHT TO USE IT, with royalties going to the owner of the intellectual property. That's why a paid-for digital download is often cheaper than the CD: the property owner has skipped the cost of pressing the CD.
I realize that this position won't be popular here... we can argue the morality of it all day, but the long and the short of it is if we procure a digital product without paying the creator (or granted licensee) we're stealing a license to the product. - Cerberus047, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So do they at least work?
- OptimismPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"...Stealing and copying are different concepts which should not be confused..."
Yep, exactly!
'Copying the Mona Lisa' is different from 'Stealing the Mona Lisa'.....the problem with digital content however is that a copy of digital content is an exaclt replica of the original, identiacal in every way.
Pirated Movies are mostly poor, or at least poorer quality then the "original" due out later on DVD, or the viewing experiance in Cinema.
Music and Software however most of the time are not.
The "if i wouldn't have bought it anyway, they are not loosing any money on me pirateing it" excuse is lame.
If you had realy no interest in owning specific pirated content, then you wouldn't even pirate it.
That is the problem with "internet using society" moral.
"IF i don't HAVE to pay for it, why SHOULD i pay for it?"
That's one of the main reasons why ppl aproach 'costly' hardware with a negative atitude.
Because they can't "just download that new graphics card for free"
And that's also the reason why people say "Macs are pricey/overpriced"
"But you get iLife, some hundreds of dollars worth of integrated fonts and other Apps" with your Mac that would cost you most of the pricedifference, if not more...IF there is any.....
Majority of don't see an argument here because "..we don't HAVE to buy equivalent software, there is BitTorrent/Usenet!!!!"
Don't get me wrong, the last OS i "bought" seperate from a Computer it came on was Windows 98 1st Edition UPDATE!!!....and the last "PC" i bought and not built myself was a P1 200 MMX... so i am not free of guilt (not the emotion, i mean that in a legal way *g*)
But i try to buy more and more stuff as i've moved from the world of education to the world of working for a living.
For example: i DID pirate certain "Photo Editing" and "Video Editing" Software that shall remain unnamed here, but it helped me to acomplish several Jobs that enabled me to BUY them afterwards..... iTunes prices on music are FAR from Store CD Prices, also i can just buy half an Album if the other half isn't that great.
Movies: YES, i DO "pirate" them, though mainly as reason to avoid having to go to the Cinema, i BUY every Movie i've liked on DVD later on (Have around 350 DVDs, for example 'own' all 3 LotR as CAM, TS, TC, Screener, Retail DVD aswell as Retail EE DVD) Movies i like, i HAVE TO HAVE Specials for, and pirated Movies almost never provide them, mediocre Movies...meh...wait half a year to a year longer and pick it up from the bargain bin.
Consoles......my last one was the PS1...my last Handheld was the Classci BRICK-Gameboy white with 4 shades of Green LCD ;) - boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2facetious, adj: Playfully jocular; humorous: "facetious remarks". --AHD4
Perhaps you meant "specious"? - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You guys have it all wrong. If you BUY the movie and lend it to someone it's OK. If you BUY the movie and then SELL copies of it (no matter how cheap) that look just like the original...that is wrong.
- stable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ InsomniaSlim
> That would mean that if only one person actually paid for the game and distributed it to the masses (for free), that would not be stealing.
It's not stealing. When you steal something, the owner loses his ability to use it, when you download a song, the Copyright holder doesn't lose the ability of listening to that song. They don't even lose money because they never had it to begin with.
> At the very least it's a violation by the purchaser of the EULA accepted when the game was purchased.
First I don't think DS games come with EULAs. Second even if they do, by fair use the EULA cannot restrict you beyond what the Copyright law already does implicitly. Just because EULAs have never been truly challenged doesn't mean that they are legal (many people think they aren't).
> At the most, the downloading party is, in fact, stealing a _license_ for the game.
No, the download party is infringing the Copyright law, which applies to everything except what is explicitly identified as public domain. Stealing and copying are different concepts which should not be confused. If copying was the same thing as stealing, it wouldn't need to be ruled by specific laws. - dolson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are you an idiot?
I won the auction, then I paid for it, and then I got the cartridge in the mail and it said Nintondo on the back, and then I contacted the seller, and then he said they were not illegal copies.
You don't get to look at a game cartridge before you buy it on eBay unless the seller takes a picture of the back - and why would they advertise that it's an illegal copy?
Anyhow, for the record, I contacted Nintendo and they told me to just keep the games, despite offering to send them to them. They said they would contact eBay about the seller, which I also did. This happened more than once with several sellers. And they are still selling on eBay. - kristov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think in general the perception is to support freedom of information and some real level of fair use of materials purchased but I think most diggers look down on piracy of the sort where someone is selling you illegal goods. Fair use doesn't say I can sell a copied CD over and over - but I should have the right to share it with a buddy or use that material how I see fit (as an mp3, wav, "backed up" cd etc.)
- Unicron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I can't believe none of the replies so far have gotten the OP's point. Replace "Nintendo" with RIAA and "games" with CD's and it should become a bit clearer...
- burrito4891, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, I totally agree with you. granted it may not be the popular thing to stand up for the "man" but it is completely fair. Just because someone cant afford or is being cheap (usually in the case of America) doesn't mean we have the right to rip them off. Besides I actually like the idea that buying the product is like a thank you for doing such a good job. @ Tiabian, "When you're paying for a "license" for each installation of windows, or whatever other software you use on a daily basis that's not feasible.", first of all I have a 7 member family and am a huge PC nut and I have probably over a hundred programs on my computer, but not ever have I "ran out of time" installing software. you must be joking or lazy? and when are you paying for these daily licenses? I will say that I actually feel that saying thank you to every person that is responsible for a product is waaaaaay more time consuming, hence the price. You pay them as a thank you and the ability to use THEIR product. Example: Some things that I enjoyed buying recently that deserve their money:
Sin City on DVD
New super Mario bros.
DS lite
ATI theater 550
etc.
Sure it sucks that the money disappears, but thats life, grow up.
I'll probably get killed for my comment too, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you InsomniaSlim. - mraty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If all their games are crap, what point would stealing it serve?
- Tommy_Gun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DCUK: "Most pirate goods are just the same as originals."
Actually, I got scammed on a GBA game and it glitched a bunch and I can NOT pass one point, so the game is worthless. I wrote about it, with pictures:
http://tinyurl.com/z89eg - briansorders, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4har har har
- InsomniaSlim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2zbose:
With all respect, I don't really follow that logic to your conclusion. That would mean that if only one person actually paid for the game and distributed it to the masses (for free), that would not be stealing. At the very least it's a violation by the purchaser of the EULA accepted when the game was purchased. At the most, the downloading party is, in fact, stealing a _license_ for the game.
I really don't care if someone gets a copy of certain media for their own personal use. I kind of get annoyed with companies who can't offer their customers a real reason to buy their product, short of "prosecution." But I don't think we should draw a line where the people who take a copy are resolved of their actions by logic that says they aren't stealing.
In a way they are...? - Sektor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0These pirated games can be confused for originals, so they will take money that would overwise go to the developer. That should be enough for people to see that they are worse for developers than ROMs freely available for download. They make it harder to buy legit games from online stores/ebay. They make it harder for legit sellers to be competitive and make a profit.
- akashra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nintendo don't do themselves any favours by providing no COA whatsoever for their products. At least Microsoft products have a media and label which costs more for them to pirate it than it would to purchase it (so they just don't bother). They also offer assistance to those who have been sold counterfiet products.
Nintendo just don't care about this. I've contacted them in the past, and they just blew me off. This was around the time I was looking to buy a GBA SP, when Minish Cap was released, and all the copies on eBay were pirated. - ultramagnus1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0anyone know where i can buy empty versions of these? i know there are the R4 and stuff but it would be kinda cool to put roms and stuff on for my friends
thanks in advance! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You must not have a family or multiple computers. When you're paying for a "license" for each installation of windows, or whatever other software you use on a daily basis that's not feasible. Something intangible as software shouldn't be a threat to putting people in the poor farm.
This argument, of course, does not really apply to pirated video games. - thermitex, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0god freekin yugioh cards are sooo freeking easy to pirate because if u have a super photo priter / copyer and photo paper you can make a great fake exept that shiny thing in the corner but thats easy to fix just sand away with "wear"
- samuraitux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2wow i didn't know that they could pirate these things too. l was going to buy some games from a shady Hong Kong eBay seller but now I'm having second thoughts
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Um, you can play Nintendo games on PSP. Ever hear of homebrew? I'm currently playing Super Mario All Stars on my PSP which is the Super NES game of every Mario released up to Super Mario World...plus the fact that I have about 60 other Super NES, Genesis, and NES games on it. Besides GTA, it's the only real reason I even have a PSP.
- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1By the talk on this board, I thought you guys thought piracy was good and should be supported. Isn't that right?
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