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- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -18/+262Nail, meet coffin. Coffin, nail. Nice to meet you!
- Insert31990, on 10/12/2007, -19/+206You fail, Sony ... you really do. Money hungry bastards.
- PDAIsAOk, on 10/12/2007, -12/+125Can Sony give us any more reasons to not buy this system?
- imightbewrong, on 10/12/2007, -10/+110Does anyone remember a while ago there was an article about how PS3 games would be "console specific" meaning that once a disk was read it could only used by that exact system... that would suck so much
your screwed if ..
1.system breaks (many new consoles have initial issues)
2. system gets stolen
3.you dont want it anymore and dont want 600$ sitting in the basement
DRM SUCKS - staticsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -23/+100adios!... this is really disappointing to hear from Sony.... -_- .... hello Wii
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -8/+71Sony appears to be doing everything in their power to ensure that people don't want to buy the PS3. They are getting damn good at it too. I wonder if they're going to apply this to the PS3 itself. Pay $600 to "lease" it.
- dWhisper, on 10/12/2007, -5/+64This all came up in November of '05, based on a patent filing by Sony. However, in interviews leading up to E3, Sony flat out said they had no intention of locking specific titles to a particular console/login, unless the game called for such action (say an MMO).
Ultimately, it will come down to Sony catering to one market (major retailers: Wal-Mart, Target) and totally alienating another (specialty boutiques: Gamestop, EB). The majority of console and new game sales move through the big retaillers, but the specialty boutiques are the ones that move early adoption and accessories. Since Sony stands to make more money on accessories (which can cary up to a 300% or greater markup) and on early adoption (before price falls), it'd be suicide to cut out those markets. Wal-Mart and Target have the most to lose on a $600 console, but Gamestop sells $1200 Xbox 360 and Playstation Bundles, and can support the higher price point. Shutting off the market they move they make their money, the pre-owned, would just cause them to stop giving preferential shelf space to Sony. And that's how consoles fail. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+68Did Nintendo and MS pay someone off to make all these retarded decisions? The era of Sony in the gaming world is basically over.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51You know, I could actually deal with this, but only if they drop their prices from new games from $50 to $15. That'd be pretty fair.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+45You're right. Sony can't legally do this. Which means guess what the next announcement will be: DRM'd PS3 games.
- eppitek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43And goodbye to blockbuster, gamefly + other game rental services
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43They could still potentially enact that system they supposedly developed for Blu-Ray that would lock a disc to the first system it runs in, and phone home to Sony to check if the disc is running on the right machine, and if not, stop it.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+46Hope you like rootkits with your games!
- n3rrd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39".... oddly enough, I'm typing this on a VAIO from 2002."
You're writing this from the past!? - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40It's hard enough to replace my library when something goes wrong, like being stolen. If Sony wants to make it that much harder to replace, there's no point in buying it in the first place.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34"RIAA's lawyers are going to be Sony's new best friends next year."
The RIAA's lawyers _ARE_ Sony's lawyers. Sony is a member of the RIAA and MPAA. - TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41Hmm... I'm going to be skeptical on this one, actually.
Is this anything like that article that went around saying Sony had burned a regular DVD-R instead of a Blu-Ray disc in a demo, when it turned out that one of the machines was running a DVD-R and the other was running Blu-Ray as part of a side by side comparison. The person that wrote the article just happened to omit that little detail.
I don't think this will happen, not unless there's some other twist that makes it seem reasonable. I refuse to believe that SONY's only motivation towards being innovative in their next gen console is to come up with ways to lock the system down. They can't possibly be that stupid. - Insert31990, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29Which isn't the case, because PS3 games will be sold for $60.00+ ... and now with this announcement (or rumor), we don't even own the game after emptying our wallets.
- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Actually, this does make sense (sorta). Other companies have tried similar schemes -- the original Divx DVDs, trying to ban second-hand game sales in Japan (which Sony had a hand in, IIRC), and all sorts of other DRM bullshiat.
If they can put a unique ID number in each game disc, and then tie that to your PS3's internal serial number, then they can prevent a game from working on another PS3. This probably requires you hooking up your PS3 to the Internet, but most people are doing that nowadays anyway.
Can they prevent you from selling your game disc? No. But they can make the disc essentially worthless. - rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32This action single handedly will bring down the PS3, along with it Bluray.
So long Sony, Humanity is smarter than you think it is and will not fall for your evil trap.
Welcome Xbox 360, Wii, and HD-DVD, still a little evil and money grabbing but not that bad. - johnnyrotten, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Seriously. It seems like they want to go out of business.
- llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Ok so lets go over the reasons for NOT buying a Ps3.
1) Sony == RIAA
2) Root kits
3) DRM'd video games
4) Shoving BluRay and PSP DVD's down our throat
5) $600 system
6) Revolution is cooler
Seriously people, Final Fantasy 15 isn't worth putting up with that much crap. - panique, on 10/12/2007, -15/+32Rude Awakening, meet Sony. Sony, meet Rude Awakening. Worst part is I'm going to have to tell my nephew that I was wrong telling him to wait for the PS3.
- Auzy7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24This only makes sense if titles were cheap enough to buy new instead. But they won't be, so it's doomed.
what other market successfully stiffs the pre-owned sale of product? Seriously, is there even a model that they could be following? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Sony's gotten pretty good at aiming that gun at their own foot huh...
- SoonerRoadie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18It would be a violation of the doctrine of first sale and of various provision of the Uniform Commercial Code. While they could potentially do what Rayonic mentioned with only letting it play on one system I think that they could encounter a problem with the implied warranty of merchantability which may open them up to civil suits for breach of warranty.
- Auzy7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18re: n00854180t
i can see the "phone-home" check becoming task #1 on the hacking checklist. - joshc25, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The article is saying something different from what you're linking to.
The one you're linking to says that the games will (not) have some form of DRM that will lock the games with the users PS3
The posted article just says that Sony won't let shops sell pre-owned games - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15If the parents have no clue they'll be buying a Wii or a 360. Why? They'll look at the price tags.
PS3 bundle system: $800-$1000.
Xbox 360 Premium with a game and a second controller: $500
Wii bundle: $400-$500
That, of course, is assuming that there will be PS3 and Wii bundles (which I think is a safe assumption). - retral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times"
Ahahaha, they should re-word that to: "We assume this move will ultimately be to stop the PS3 from being sold"
Sony's 'proprietary' crap is going to flop once again. - toliman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17most software licensing fits an inevitable "you paid $50 for the package, not the software" deal. somehow software got manipulated into a limbo state that means it's not a product, or a tradeable item. like gossip, gas, milk or a candy bar, once its opened or absorbed, its content has perished. considering how easy it is to copy digital software, perishability is not a real concern, just a legally manufactured state of existence.
DRM along with the legalese inherent in licensed software means that you can't even guarantee a disc with GTA4 will play in your PS3 in the future, it might decide it needs to call Sony's Digital HQ and check if you are allowed to play, or if a mod is acceptable or authorised to be played. theres nothing so far that indicates how prevalent DRM is integrated into the sony online system, it might decide to "register" your games and purchases against your online account, so that you can't reuse / resell the game elsewhere.
FUN
microsoft does a similar thing with the xbox 360 live marketplace purchases, as does apple itunes, or other DRM storefronts. Microsoft is worse on principle, with their DRM now becoming embedded into the OS with WGA and activation as part of a security model they think will improve their products. it's extremely doubtful anyone wants DRM making things obstuctive, annoying and irritating to circumvent, if not illegal in your country by those laws preventing it. - modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14If this were in fact true, this would be the death of the PlayStation. It's one thing to abuse fanboy with the price, it's a whole other to mess with the game rights. To most gamers games are more of a commodity then property. You buy games to trade them in to get more games. Messing with this system will definitely send people to Xbox and Wii in droves.
- kendawg, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21brilliant!
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Sony's DRM has crippled the PSP as well. The PSP would be incredibly competitive with the DS if they would simply allow there to be homebrew on the system. I want to buy some games for it but any game that requires above a 2.0 version I say screw it...I have too many good Super Nintendo, Genesis, Neo Geo, and old NES roms that I can run. It's their loss and the PSP would be much more "consumer friendly" this way. But typical Sony execs get greedy and guess what? They get screwed because there are a bunch of other PSP owners who think just like me!
Why would I buy ONE game that may or may not be good if it makes the system I own not able to play the hundreds of other games I have? I'd probably own more than GTA Liberty City Stories and Lumines if I was able to have the best of both worlds.
Sorry Sony, you could have had my money if you at least cared a little bit about your consumers over how much money you want to make. - Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14There have been many previous news stories speculating Sony would do this after it was discovered Sony already holds a patent describing EXACTLY how to do this.
- MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19I think Ken Katuragi is running a secret chapter of Sony that is trying to run the company into the ground or something.
- BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15It worked for the Infinium Phantom! Oh wait. No it didn't.
- killtherat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12For the record, the patent # on this tech is 6,816,972
You can search for it at http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm
It was filed April 17, 2000
Sony has previously denied this rumor
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2005/11/15/sonys_clampdown_on_secondhand_games_updated.html
But you never know.... - superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18the rootkit was one foot, this would be the second, sonys gonna topple if this is really true.
- kkaabboomm, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
this ***** came up many months ago, talking about the technology in blu-ray, etc. it was widely reported sony was going to do this, and sony was like, no, not a chance in hell, we are not tying games to machines in that way at all.
stop this fearmongering *****.
edit:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2005/11/9/1779
theres the arstechnica article from november 2005, and they dismissed it too. - leftover, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I used to be like you, bigblack. Forget the horrendous controller, forget the crazy price, I was getting a PS3. But this is just ridiculous. Sony, I was a big customer and you could do no wrong in my eye, but even I have limits. I'm sorry to say this will be the sentiments of many others. Outrage, anyone?
- ahatter, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14if this is actually the case games better be cheap cheap..
- andygravity, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11you know, I'm kinda glad to see this all happen. i was vehemently anti-Sony for a LONG time and eventually caved and got a ps2 because i fell in love with the games that my already beloved companies (konami, square, capcom, etc) were putting out for it. sony got lucky in the game biz for only one reason - nintnedo stupidly insisted on keeping with cartridges for the n64 and developers didn't want to flip the bill or be limited by size constraints and built a massive audience for the ps2 to succeed on. sony never had any heart for the industry, they just got lucky. i felt the same towards microsoft initially, but they seem to actually care more about the gamers than sony does. I'll echo peter moore's statement that i see the 360 as an option for the GTA's and such side by side with a Wii for the classics. Here's to hoping that the 360 gains support from Japanese developers to bring graphic-intensive games that won't run on the Wii to our shores.
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13also brilliant!
- thetaco82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@HMTKSteve
"BTW... Did the MPAA ever sue them over the illegal copying of the DVD to a DVD-R?"
Umm... Sony is a member of the MPAA. Sony is one of the "big seven" film studios, and it owns the movie that was copied to a DVD. It's not a piracy or fair-use issue when they flat out own the rights and masters. It would be interesting to know if Sony violated the DMCA by breaking its own copy protection, though... - mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You're all making one very, very important mistake: Sony doesn't have to make it TECHNICALLY impossible to resell a game. They just need to make it LEGALLY impossible. They need to craft some sort of EULA that invalidates the licence to play the game if it is sold.
Then all they have to do it threaten game shops to take away their ability to sell Sony merchandise and PS3 games (which they could do by simply forcing developers/publishers to comply with an "approved vendor" list or lose thier certification for PS3 software), and police eBay like Microsoft does.
Sure, you could buy the game and run it easily enough from a buddy, but the major channels for used software would dry up, and accomplish effectively the same thing. See MS and Windows/Office sales for case evidence. - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17Dateline: May 24th 2006
This just in: Sony announces new Playstation 3 Secure Advanced Content Kinetic Energy Defence
Sony has announced the new Secure Advanced Content Kinetic Energy Defence
(SACKED) system in order to further their efforts in copyright control on the Playstation 3. Simply put, upon detecting an unauthorized use a SACKED disc (for example, renting, loaning, reselling or having fun that was not in the original design plan) the PS3 will stimulate a fist-like energy field that will be directed via EyeToy into the geniticular region of the customer.
Said Ken Kutaragi, Chief Kamikazee of Sony Entertainment, "We hope that our customers will enjoy SACKED on a regular basis." - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"I really doubt this is true, Sony aren't retarded."
A company is a single being. Thus, Sony _ISN'T_ retarded.
Sony executives, on the other hand, ARE retarded. - gikeymarcia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Oh yeah, I'm sure this is accurate like when gamesradar "broke" the FALSE story last week which said PS3 would come with wired controllers. I have as much faith in this site as I do in George Bush.. No digg and a report for inaccuracy to boot.
- Couchy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Ahahahhahaha I was only gonna buy 2 consoles anyways. Thanks for making it real easy Sony =P
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