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- stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+74You really think the Wii could handle it?
I'm sure the Wii will get a FF title, but it won't be XIII. - jedi0utkast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39On this generation the only real exclusives are going to be first party titles.
It just unrealistic to expect third party loyalty when so much money is involved on the development process, unless the developer is paid to make the game exclusive. and in that case we all know who has the most money. - CanadianGeese, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40FFXIII will be released on the 360 before it is released on the Wii.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40This makes sense if they ever want to sell more than 2 - 3 million copies of their game. The PS3 user base is just too small for any company to make money on the PS3 exclusively, and even then not every PS3 user is into Final Fantasy, just like not every gamer is into sports games or FPS's. Maybe later it will be better for Sony, but probably not until the PS3 makes a significant price drop (which won't be for two years, according to Sony).
With how much money they've been pouring into FFXIII and MGS4, I don't know how those developers ever plan on getting their money back if they remain exclusive on the PS3. I'm not biased, it's just the truth. - zerokill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33@bmurph83: The FF creator himself is not currently employed by Square-enix so actually he isn't really the right person to comment on the exclusivity of FF13. Off course the sony exec from France is the right person...
- bmurph83, on 10/12/2007, -10/+35It isn't just the one person saying this. The Final Fantasy creator himself said that he thinks it would be a good idea to put it on the 360. Now with Devil May Cry and Ace Combat there, it just adds fuel to the very hot fire.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26You DO realize we are talking about Sony execs, right?
- PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22"Final Fantasy series should come to Xbox 360" - Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of the Final Fantasy series.
I am still awaiting Blue Dragon already. Even just the demo. - LocalDocal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19@chocobomog
"No one on Digg listens when Japanese or US Sony executives speak, but when the Sony President in France says a single sentence regarding a game being developed half a world away suddenly it is the biggest announcement ever."
No one listens when the Japanese Sony executives speak? Hmm, then I wonder who are those Kazuo Hirai and Ken Kutaragi people everyone keeps talking about? - Itazura, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Well when your paychecks are signed by MIcrosoft, of course you would want the FF series to be on that console.
- Sniper, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Nothing more reliable than xbox360fanboy.com
- acurism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I love how you fanboys blow this stuff up totally out of context.
Sony's president of France said"As far as Final Fantasy XIII goes, I can tell you that the exclusivity is in discussion"
That could mean NUMEROUS things, one of them being Sony might be currently inking a deal to to make sure it stays exclusive to the PS3.
Fanboys need to calm down and read what was said and think about it for a minute. I get sick and tired of all this speculation all over the Internet everytime somebody opens their mouth. I love the Internet, don't get me wrong, but this is one of the many things I can't stand about it. - InfinitySnatch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16***** periods man. Good God.
- pooper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14yeah, but the first one's title was just absolute crap...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"his spiritual successor to Final Fantasy was a flop in Japan."
The only reason you can even begin to logically justify that statement is by first admitting that the Xbox 360 has sold less than HALF of one million units in the entire country of Japan. Now, if you put the two together, that would tell you that half of every single Japanese owner of the Xbox 360 went out and bought Blue Dragon. The numbers may suck, but it has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the adoption rate of the Xbox 360 by the Japanese public. Everything being equal, the sales ratios are unbelievably fantastic, and any developer would die to have half of the console's owners buy their game.
I suspect that sales of Blue Dragon in America will probably quadruple it's Japanese sales figures, and it will be anything but a flop. - Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18SOMEBODY bought a PS3.
- JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I really don't know what the big deal is. Should he have said its a 100% lock? Not discussing the exclusivity is what lost Assassin's Creed. As long as they're trying, thats the important thing.
As for the Wii, it will get an FF. Its going to be crystal chronicles though. - bloodwolf, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16please come to 360 :D
- sjmiller85, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@chocobomog... yea PS3 may have sold more units than 360 this time last year, but don't forget that this time last year MS couldn't meet demand.
PS3s can still be found on store shelves in the U.S. I guess the European launch will dictate whether or not more PS3 exclusives will go to the 360/Wii. IMHO I think it is a good move for developers.
If FF moves to the 360, its just a matter of time after that that Kojima/Konami decide to port also... - seneyr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@chocomog
Who the heck said Blue Dragon is a FF spiritual successor? From what I've seen, the game looks more like a Chrono Trigger spiritual successor. A good portion of the leads on Blue Dragon worked on Chrono Trigger. I wouldn't call it a failure in Japan, it helped breakdown some of the Japanese resistance to the 360. Hardly a failure. I doubt Gears of War would've gotten on the Japanese charts if Blue Dragon hadn't started the trail already. The game also got very favorable reviews in Famitsu (I want to say 37/40, it was definitely in the upper 30's) which is a smokingly good endorsement of the game.
The game is gonna sell like crazy here in the states.
I also wouldn't say that Sakaguchi is in MS's pocket. They are producing a game for the DS. Yes they've got one game out for the 360, another on the way, but they are still independent... for now. - aeproberts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@chocobomog
Actually Wired has a link to the French source that seems to still be working.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/03/sony_final_fant.html - pooper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Actually right about now last year, I remember 360 consoles were starting to pop up everywhere
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12chocomog,
I think it would be interesting to see Blue Dragon released on PS3 in Japan, if only to see if the main resistance to the game is the fact its on the Xbox360. - seneyr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The biggest problem Sony faces is that a cross-platform release is just about as good as not having it released at all. Both competitors have lower price points, and are in much more agile positions than the PS3 in terms of getting customers. The 360 has been out for a over a year and is positioned to counter any PS3 price drop in the near future. Nintendo is well below the PS3 price, so much that they don't have to worry about countering any price drops for a while.
More worrisome is the perception that both the 360 and the PS3 are currently equivalent in terms of graphical prowress. Unless Sony is able to get out some mind blowing visuals on their games ASAP this is going to be a problem. We're starting to hit the 2nd generation of 360 games as developers are becomming more familiar with the tools at their disposal. At the same time, the PS3 devs are still playing around with them, so it's gonna be sometime before we see some smoking hot stuff. Cross platform games are not going to help Sony's case at all especially if they end up looking the same on both platforms. Would you rather pay $400 for a system or $600 to play the exact same game? This is why exclusives are necessary for Sony at this time.
It all boils down to carrot and stick. Why would consumers want to pay more for the same carrot? Sony needs to focus on getting out quality games and separating themselves from the pack. If they want to be the Mercedes in the industry they should seriously work on getting their quality up to Mercedes levels. If Mercedes made a game console, it would've had things like background downloading from the start. - LocalDocal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@chocobomog
"No, they don't listen to them, they take selected sound-bytes from them and promote those. They ignore anything positive and focus on the "massive damage" quotes."
Mog, the "massive damage" quote is from Bill Rich (of Genji fame). Not Kutaragi or Hirai... - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@ Philodox
Game developers usually measure a games success on it's day 1 sales. I'm sure it will sell consoles if it remains exclusive, but it will take a *lot* longer to make their money back without a guaranteed user base.
@ chocobomog
True, Xbox 360 sales weren't stellar for the first few months, but that's probably because the Xbox 360 was about as rare last year at this time as the Wii is now. And the Xbox 360 exclusives weren't "jumping ship" because, well, there wasn't anything for the exclusives to "jump" to.
That being said, is it really so bad if third party titles start going multi-platform? It's good for the game industry as a whole, I think. Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy on multiple consoles has always been cool and interesting. MGS2 on the Xbox brought several new things. - Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15@ chocobomog
Blue Dragon is causing 360 sales to sky rocket in Japan... So there ARE a ton of people buying it. - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Known titles may go multiplatform at first.... this is just starting. Let us see how the industry is next year before describing the end of exclusives.
- luperry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10the simple fact that the white engine utilizes 4 of the 6 available SPEs of Cell makes a xbox360 port extremely difficult at best, if not making the possibility of a cross-platform FFXIII highly unlikely at the current development stage.
- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Percents mean nothing. So what if 1 out 3 (33%) Japan Xbox owners bought the game? That is still only 100,000 which is a flop by JRPG standards.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I think there will be an FF for the Wii, I kind of doubt it will be the same graphics intensive ones that the 360 can easily manage.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"Do you have any idea how many PS3s are going to be sold *because* of FFXIII exclusivity? The sales suck now, but look at the game library."
3rd party devs aren't responsible for making system sellers. They're responsible for making cash for their publishers, plain and simple. Their biggest concern is to get the title out there to as many consumers as possible.
If Sony wants Square/Enix's exclusivity, they need to purchase Square Enix or pay out the ass for the title, like MS would. Otherwise, they have to realize that by releasing an unappealingly expensive system, they shot themselves in the foot, as far as their receptive market is concerned.
My guess is, however, that Sony is going to spend a record amount of money on keeping this title in their library, as the stakes are so much higher, and Sony is hard up for a system-selling exclusive title. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's all about money. There is no loyalty to any console, for any developer. They're in this to make money and thus, they'll do whatever will generate the most profit. Period. I don't see why there is so much speculation and discussion on such a simple matter. No one is gong to say "We're going to port this to the Xbox 360, cause we think it would be a cool thing to do for gamers!".
So, either they have a contract with console maker, so they can't produce for another console or they are being paid by a certain console maker, so that they won't product for another one ... or it's just more profitable. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So you'll apologize if this turns out to be true, right?
When the rumor started going around that Devil May Cry 4, (or any other lost Sony exclusive) was going to the 360 and you called "*****" because it was a "rumor" and didn't come from a "reliable source" (aka a Sony exec) did you apologize when it turned out to be true? - luperry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5guess you missed the point.
capability aside, this would mean that the white engine was specially designed to work for the Cell. 2 threads per core or not, it would have to be re-written if it's to be ported for xbox360.
the gain would not seem to justify the cost. considering that a lot of people buy the system for FF, and not the other way around. - seneyr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Bingo.
Look at Square-Enix's development history. NES, SNES, PSX, PS2, GBA, DS. Notice a pattern? These are all the market leaders with the highest install bases. Sure the Gamecube and the PSP got some Square luv, but that's just because they fit a niche they were experimenting with or licensing issues. Square is not a bunch of Sony fanboys. PS3 is currently dead last in this generation, and games are expensive to make for it. Going cross-platform would solve the issue of making back money for hopefully less work (porting an existing game vs. retooling it from the ground up or making one from scratch) than the initial investment. Right now, the 360 has the largest install base with Nintendo hot on their heels. You couldn't do a straight up port to the Wii, but a 360 port might be possible. Keep in mind too that Square's artistic talent resides mostly in FMVs and you don't need a ton of processing power to play back a movie file (see Kingdom Hearts on GBA). However, we don't know a lot of details about the White Engine being used for the main game. Unreal Engine 3 just got recently licensed which is crossplatform (a good sign that Square is trying to reduce costs and gives them the opportunity to do crossplatform development). If Final Fantasy XIII itself isn't ported, another game in the sub-franchise could be. Do we even know what XIII Versus is using?
Also, each exclusive that goes cross-platform causes a ripple effect. That gives people sitting on the fence one less solid reason to purchase a system. Which also means that's on fewer purchaser of the exclusive game. Which in turn causes other exclusive developers to reconsider/renegotiate their exclusivity. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The people that didn't like FFXII mainly didn't like the battle style. Supposedly if you bought/enjoyed FFXI then FFXII didn't come as a slap to the face.
Personally I enjoyed it and think that most people's ultimate FF, FFVII, was overrated. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@infinitysnatch:
No ***** man. Having a handful of paragraphs without a period is exhausting to read. It's like if that person were talking to you, they'd just spit out the whole paragraph without taking a breath.
Punctuation. It's what the cool kids use. - ScoobyG, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7He, harrygreek is right :-) I don't know why he's being dug down...
- zerokill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3actually the way he said it (in French) it sounded more like he didn't know that FF13 was already a sony exclusive...
It would also be kind of strange if sony was breaking the story that FF would go to xbox... - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Do you live in a cave? Gears of War is a *first* party title, and Microsoft would have zero reason to let it go anywhere. First-party IP's do show up on other systems occasionally - remember the Zelda CD-i games? - but it doesn't happen very often.
Final Fantasy is a *third* party title, which means that unless Square-Enix has an exclusive agreement with one console maker (which they likely don't at this point), they can release FF on whatever console they like. - seneyr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Probably won't get one until May that's when they're having their little party. That's probably why this rumor is starting now anyways.
- daridave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Ya, it could handle it... a striped-down version, of course.
Don't forget it's 480p. From 1080p to 720p to 480p, you need A LOT LESS power to handle it... Which makes the Wii very capable of delivering a solid game at the pxiel resolution it offers. Now that it does have DVD's, content isn' a issue anymore (if it isn't for the 360), then they can manage.
However it gets complicated in the "hard drive" dept... which is why I believe it won't happen. - vobiwan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem with Sony losing exclusivity of these major games is that its going to lower the overall quality of games. Companies aren't going to spend extra money and time to maximally utilize the PS3 now that the XBOX 360 is involved. They'll focus a low end version with wii waving capabilities and then make a next gen game that will be easy to port between the PS3 and the xbox360. Games such as Motorstorm that are specific to the PS3 are incredible and really blow away anything the 360 had at that point in its evolution. This is just my opinion, but if Motorstorm had to be made for multiplatform, the game makers would have been limited by the 360 and the game would have not been as incredible and would look similar on both systems. Game makers are going multiplatform to make money, not to lose money by maximizing a game to every system. In the end, its good a game goes multiplatform b/c more people get access to those games, but by doing this, the overall quality becomes diluted.
Just my 2 cents worth - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Full translation of the article with the section about FF in bold:
http://www.vgcharts.org/forum/thread.php?id=861&start=0 - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8By "everywhere" do you mean your own hometown?
I live in southern California and I wasn't able to find one until April 2006, and the Best Buy I bought it at had just the one. But yeah, I admit that the Xbox 360's finally started to trickle in a bit more steadily at that time. It still doesn't mean that they were EASY to find, though. - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8It's funny seeing how violently some people are reacting to the possibility of the Xbox 360 getting more Final Fantasy than just Final Fantasy XI. Why is that? Are they afraid of the series getting Xbox 360 leprosy or something?
I think it's great when game franchises aren't slaves to one specific console. It helps create innovation and promotes the series beyond its narrow confinement of a single console. Nintendo has Final Fantasy on the NES, SNES, DS, GBA, Gamecube, and Wii....Xbox 360 has it with FFXI (so far), and PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3 will have it. Is it so bad to face the fact that your beloved franchise started on a different console when it started and will continue to expand on other consoles? - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3An official announcement would make my day.
- thefaithful, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Well, there were six exclusive Nintendo main Final Fantasy games.
Then six exclusive Sony main Final Fantasy games.
It's only fair Microsoft gets a turn. - Kempachi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If Final Fantasy XIII were to come out on Xbox, would it sway your decision to get a PS3?"
Yup! If they ALSO get MSG4 I'm absolutely getting a 360. I haven't bought a console precisely because of this. In the end, good games make or break the systems, and you can have the Wii selling millions and with no good third party backing, the sales will unfortunately grind to a halt eventually. I am actually a bit tired of moving pixels with a stick and a button, only getting more pixels and more buttons on each generation so the Wii is a welcome change... but there are not many great games that make you want to jet to the store and get them.
The 360 has good exclusive games (like Gears) and even more coming up (like Lost Planet) and the games that stayed my hand were FF MGS and Ace Combat...If they are all coming to the 360 Sony will suffer greatly, IMNSHO. -
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