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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+68"They reverse engineered the protocol. They didn't reverse engineer the software itself. Important distinction."
remember, the government believes the internet is a series of tubes. so i dont think that argument would go far in court. - theturkish, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45I'm so freaking excited :)
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32From the article:
"We built the server from ground up, so what exactly can they sue for? Yes it is against the SWG EULA to reverse engineer any communications between it and the server, but that is not (to my knowledge) a legal implication."
They reverse engineered the protocol. They didn't reverse engineer the software itself. Important distinction. - satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31I wouldn't get your hopes up. Blizzard won a case about free service, and I am sure reverse engineering SWG is against the terms of service. This is totally a gray area.
- chad78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24RTFA - Sony has been in talks with these people, and even offered them jobs. They have already "found out" about it, and aren't trying to stop it or to charge for it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23thats got to be a dumbest thing ive heard today.
- Morteo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19It won't have a monthly fee, it'll be hosted on seperate private servers that have nothing to do with SOE.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17SOE is a sinking ship.
- LordStandley, on 11/13/2007, -2/+16Anything to get SWG back top when it was good is fine with me.
SOE has really F'ed this game up.
I hope this turns out good. Im dying to play SWG again pre cu. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Resetting the Matrix, so to speak.
- r3aper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Finally
I played for 2 1/2 years and gave up last November when the NGE was announced. ***** SOE. - AlienHairball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12That's the key here - the SWG EMU developers are *not* offering *any* software. You have to have a legal, boxed copy of the game to play. Whether you bought SWG years ago or you go out and buy it today, you still have to pay SOE for the physical software you will be running on your computer.
The server side is written entirely by the EMU group and you are simply connecting to them. Now whether this is legal or not remains to be seen :)
Oh and one other note that may be mentioned elsewhere in these comments is that the EMU is still pretty darn buggy at this stage of development. Even so, like many have said it's a big "hello what were you thinking" to SOE that this project has garnered such a major reaction across the internet. The tubes are gonna get all clogged up at this rate. - dexim, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18If it was so bad, then why did you play it for two years?
- fatdog789, on 11/13/2007, -0/+12The Terms of Service do not have any legal validity for various reasons. Blizzard didn't win because reverse-engineering violated the TOS, they won because reverse-engineering violated various copyrights and patents.
They claimed the TOS was the reason because they wanted to try and give those damn things legal validity. Why don't the TOS's have legal validity? For starters, the buyer isn't made aware of the TOS until after the product has been purchases; contract law requires that any qualifying conditions be provided to the buyer *prior* to the purchase of said good. It's not enough for the store to offer a copy on request, nor is it sufficient for the maker to offer a copy on its website. It also doesn't matter whether the customer has installed the program or not, as they've *already purchased the license* to use the product. - jvolkman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"They have already "found out" about it, and aren't trying to stop it"
Sure they are -- by offering the developers jobs. You think they'd let the development continue under their employment contracts? - sgtkillmore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Great, just what I need. That game took my life from me and SOE helped me get it back by ruining the game. Goodbye friends, family, my life... again...
- bjkrautk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Gee, a game about licensed content that has been:
- Reverse Engineered
- Re-distributed by parties without license to distribute the software....and without any arrangement to use the underlying licensed Intellectual Property (Star Wars).
No chance that this is going to court. Not at all. :| - nicodemusdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Thank the lord for these guys.
SOE ... Sucking Out Entertainment.
I was the guy at Celebration 3 with the shirt that said the above.
On the back it said 'If SOE made cars... we'd all be dead'
Even had all the other lucas arts employees sign it!! :)
*Credit to the mayor of Alacio Island on Bria. - Crashwithuhk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"because the one thing that kept me playing as long as I did was the great community" Maybe read the whole post. If I didn't have any of the awesome friends I had on my server I would have jumped ship after the first month. That and the first few months I bought SOE's empty promises of a fixed game.
- Bakkster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Unfortunately, I'm expecting they'll get shut down by a DMCA threat. Of course, we all hate the DMCA, but that doesn't mean we can get away with it. My guess is that SOE will feel impotent about being beaten by an upstart developer and retaliate with the DMCA ban-hammer.
What a shame. - Aiwanei, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10has been in development for 6 months, was on slashdot a month ago, so what logic does that follow?
- Crashwithuhk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I played SWG for about two years from the day it launched and I have to say while it's terrible now, I can't recall when it was ever good. Pre-NGE and Pre-CU sucked, in this case however it just seems to suck a lot less then NGE (I actually didn't mind the CU as much, still left a lot of issues inresolved but it was a baby step in the right direction).
Of course I'll play this because like I said its better then NGE but also because the one thing that kept me playing as long as I did was the great community and I figure a community like this is going to be tight and close and hopefully as good as the Pre-CU community. - doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It use to be a Star Wars MMO where you could be uncle owen, or a rancor trainer, or Red 3, or just a man trying to make his way through the universe. The selling point of the game was "Live the greatest story ever told... YOURS!" Now you have to be Luke or Han or Boba Fett. There are hundreds of other SW games you can play as those characters, but none where you can play with and around those characters.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Well this will last about a week before they receive a hefty cease and decist from SOE.
- Aiwanei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"RTFA - Sony has been in talks with these people, and even offered them jobs. They have already "found out" about it, and aren't trying to stop it or to charge for it."
That is what they did with the EQEmu, they hired the developers away to work for them. - radu79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If you want to prevent stuff such as walking and firing through the walls, the server needs that data as well.
- Jadinlee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Whether this lasts of not isn't as important to me as the slap in the face it give to SOE. I was a long-time SWG player and left due to the NGE.
- Olain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There are a lot of Everquest Emulation servers out there that Sony hasn't shut down so i don't see why they would single out SWG emulation servers. If this is the same as the everquest servers, you just go into your game folder change a txt file to point to different ip's and then run the game and you play on 3rd party servers instead of servers hosted by SOE. You can even download the software emulator and run your own server if you wanted.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This kind of reminds me of Subspace(Continuum), with the exception being that support wasn't dropped for Galaxies, only changed.
I'm rooting for the community, even if all it does is to convince lucasarts to go back to the old system. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6OH PLEASE!!!
- jvolkman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"They reverse engineered the protocol. They didn't reverse engineer the software itself. Important distinction."
Without knowing details about the SWG server, I'm going to assume that they have some sort of authentication method to ensure that a user attempting to login has a valid copy of the game (cd key, etc.). If this is the case, there is probably no way that the reverse engineered server could correctly validate the key, and therefore it enables illegitimate users to play the game. This is probably in violation of the DMCA (getting around copy protection and all).
At least, that's what experience from previous similar projects dictates. - doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The thing is... the revamp was worse than the game before the revamp.
They needed to remodel the kitchen and they tore down the entire house. - TheClaus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I have dabbled in EQ and WoW. EQ is a major headache. WoW seems to be easier but yeah they are headaches. Though anybody that works on the emulator has my support. To recreate a server is of an online game is cool even if it has its own bugs.
- afeitarse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@toomuchpete
Randomly choosing a case from your 1L Contracts book doesn't give you a license to act like a dick. - kaffein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hey I might actually play the game again.
Got to change the way those resources move though. - jotajota3, on 11/28/2007, -0/+5I don't see how they are going to be able to make the private servers free to the community very long...I can already see the servers being flooded with users and have internet bandwidth bills in the hundreds of thousands...
- demonfox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I suppose it depends on how they handle it. If they are just offering a server to people that have already bought the game, I don't see what they are doing wrong.
- IndyAaron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There's already a working test server, Lowca. (www.lowcaserver.com for those interested.) I'm currently playing with it already, but it's not fully working. Just little things. Combat, items, skills, XP, shuttleports. XD
Yeah, it's got a way to go, but we're all on the way to something better. - omglazers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Sony has indicated they aren't suing. Digg down.
- theturkish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Guys, this isn't going to go away.... Sony hasn't done anything at all about all the private everquest servers, so why would this be any different?
- Nobi-Wan, on 11/13/2007, -8/+12It was good at one point?
- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Cool but, if you've ever played the EQ or WOW versions like this.. they are major headaches. Ripe with bugs and not as many users playing. Nice to see its open source though, maybe in a few years something will come of it.
- rizzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4they already had attention from SOE, if you had RTA, you would know that
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12The game was a real snooze fest. I played it (thankfully) on my roommate's account and never subscribed to it. I could only handle killing womprats and butterflies for so long. The characters you could come up with were cool but other than that it seemed like it would have been the worst game in history if it didn't have the "Star Wars" license attached to it. If it was any other MMO it would have died quicker than the Matrix MMO.
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It was good enough to play at one point. I wouldn't compare it to say WoW, but it was a pretty good MMO, and the Star Wars theme gave it that extra little dab of win.
- kamaru, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Just waiting for this to come out, wish I had any coding skills so I could help out with this. Got my software (Release SE box) waiting to be reinstalled when they get this working. :)
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is illegal to have a private server, and I will tell you why.
While they can not restrict you from CODING the server (the programming part), unless you make your own world (maps), your server is going to use the official maps, which simply do not belong to you.
If you are going to create the whole game world, on your own server, then you are OK, unless if the client/server protocol is patented. - andreo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh no! Good bye life... Hello Creature Handler!
I guess it's a good thing that I didn't throw my disks into the fireplace like a told a friend that I would. - loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Can someone summarize what they did to mess it up? I remember SWG being very popular and there were lots of fans but then this NGE came out and I haven't heard about it in a long time. Not being an MMORPG player I'd like to know what they did. (Just an interest in how a company can totally screw up.)
- DesolataX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Awesome! I would even pay a monthly Fee if it had a good community and servers!
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