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- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -11/+77@eplawless:
"of idiots" is a prepositional phrase. It cannot be used to determine whether a verb should be plural. The object of the verb is "bunch", which is singular, leading to the singular verb "is".
Now can we please retire the grammar nazi-ism on digg? It's very annoying. - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43You've had a Gameboy break? My first-gen grey brick still works great, and so does the Tetris cartridge.
Nintendo does make a lot of cash out of these hardware refreshes, but I wouldn't call it screwing people over. It's not like there are "SP-only" GBA titles. It's a perfectly optional upgrade. - bash, on 10/12/2007, -9/+43@ReCkLeSsX: No.
It's fun to see a giant like Sony writhe and suffer saddling all the arrogance and broken promises they have built up. - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36I think what's annoying to me is his comments are indicative of the "big lie" idea.
Let's take a look at what Nintendo has done with the DS:
1. Sold millions to "hard gamer types" such as myself who are hot for games like "Advance Wars: Dual Strike", "Trauma Center: Under the Knife", and of course, one of my favorites, "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" and others (like my other major favorite, "Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan!", a game so imported that Nintendo's making an English version.)
2. Gather in non-gamer types, like my wife, who not only joined Digg today after I relayed some articles to her, but has been playing "Brain Age" and "Big Brain Academy", "Tetris", and others.
3. My children like playing the DS more than the Game Boy Advance now! "Super Mario Brothers".
So, if we just go off of 1 and 3, Nintendo was already a success. But with #2 - people like my wife - Nintendo has greatly *expanded* their gamer market.
Now, let's go off topic for a second, and look at the Xbox 360. I've actually been tempted to buy a 360. Why? Because games that Sony would never have ported from Japan, like "Eternal Sonata", an RPG featuring Chopin, is coming to the US, along with some others. Sony has made a practice out of taking games that *should* be brought to the US (take the "Breath of Fire III" on the PSP available in Europe but not the US because PSX remakes need 20% new content or some garbage).
Nintendo, under Iwata, has been more eager to break outside their market. They're going after Take-2 to try to get a Grand Theft Auto style game (which brings new meaning to "hit with a baseball bat" - tell me that image didn't bring a grin to your face). They're bringing in more M rated games - as well as trying to capture that #2 crowd. My wife is already interested in playing "Wii Sports" as a tennis game for play and maybe light working out with the family.
I hate to disagree with the gentleman, but his statements are pretty much of the "big lie" variety: tell a whopper so big that nobody questions you on it. Nintendo outselling the DS in droves worldwide? No - they're losing market! Really!
Sony has had plenty of opportunity to make up the difference. Where's the PSX on PSP I was offered a year ago? Now we may get it when the PS3 launches. Maybe. Maybe later on. If we feel like it. We're being treated not as customers (those who buy products for what we can make and do with them), but consumers (those who exist merely to consume whatever a company makes). The PS3 feels like little more then a delivery service for Blue Ray, rather than a pure gaming machine.
I'm sure that by 2009 or so, I'll be intersted in a PS3 for myself (right now, I'm getting one just to sell on eBay because I'm a royal bastard). When they're cheap enough and there's enough games for them and the bugs are ironed out then I'll look into one. But I'm getting a Wii now, and just about every gamer friend I know is getting one as well. And if Microsoft keeps making decent moves, maybe next year I'll pick up a 360 and give it a shake (granted, after they get "Shenmue 2" and "Panzer Dragoon Orta" compatibility added on to that backwards compatibility - a guy's gotta have his standards).
Of course, this is all my opinion - I could be wrong. - NinjAlt, on 10/12/2007, -18/+45Sony? Idiots? WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED!?
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19This article isn't about "anti-sonyisms"
This is news. Sony just happens to be THAT bad, it is their own doing, their own unraveling. They betray their customers, talk ***** about successful and innovative comp editors (literally talk *****, not just speak on their own productivity, they are straight out lying to their customers, stockholders and themselves.)
So those of you who hate all this so called "anti-Sony" news, complain to Sony about generating it, not for diggers digging and the rest of us agreeing - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Why are you guys labeling this inaccurate? Why are you insulting the article?
Have you guys NOT read this? You'd have to live under a rock to believe the crap this guy is trying to spin. Seriously. I realize Digg isn't a very pro-Sony place, but get the hell off your high horse and actually read the article.
Mr. Jack Tretton lied in an interview, and everyone is catching him on the lie. There's no bias. There's no negative spin. Don't blame Joystiq, or Digg, for that matter, because Mr. Jack Tretton doesn't know his facts.
Dugg for the simple fact that Sony still hasn't realized that their lies hurt them more than they help. Seriously now. If he was being honest, even if he admitted that they weren't doing as well as Nintendo in the handheld market, Sony, and Mr. Jack Tretton would earn themselves a LOT of respect. It pays to be humble and honest. Just as Nintendo. - FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I want to see this guy eat crow when he takes a look at the PS3 adoption rate a year from now.
- Elric1977, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"PSP is outselling the DS in NORTH AMERICA"
I run a games store and the ratio of DS's to PSP's is about 12:1.
I don't know what North America you are are living on... - trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Sony is trying the good old, get the media to say something so it comes true. Not going to work this time Sony.
- meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Sony as a company is singular. It works either way
- Renton, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22@recklessx
Stop being a bitch. Yes digg hates sony, but guess what? So does everybody else. You don't have to bitch on EVERY article you see just because you're one of the last sony fanboys.
BTW, PSP is nowhere near DS in terms of sales in north America. - Jacob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@wmpp
In U.S. English sony is a corporation and is considered singular. You may say but in England, but I say bullshiit sure this is the internet but this is an article posted on a site created in california whose primary readership is American. Now enough with the grammar crap it's getting pretty old. - victoryroadrage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8um... Sony makes the psp.
and the interview was with Sony VP Jack Tretton. - africansk8er, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@ReCkLeSsX
"The guy is talking about North America. It's clear that the PSP is outselling the DS in NORTH AMERICA."
What kind of imaginary world are you living in? The psp outselling DS in the USA? bulls***. - sovereign3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@bbatsell
That guy might have been a Brit. I hear that singular nouns that are representative of a group, take on plural verbs.
US English: The government is gong to pass a new law today.
UK English: The government are gong to pass a new law today.
But enough of the grammar lessons. - Nin10dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Using "is" is fine because it's referring to one bunch. The plural "idiots" is also okay because the bunch is composed of several idiots.
For example, you wouldn't say "I have a lot bunch of grapes," you would say "I have a bunch of grapes." - thestorey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They prefer the term "Ass Hats"
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5In a digg where Sony is a bunch of idiots make it to the front page, I must take my leave.
Fair and balanced? ha this should not be on the front page with a title like that.
most people that dugg this just say the title, gurranteed
Do you know a NORMAL person with a DS? I know like 3 people with a DS. and I have had other people asking about my PSP. I recomended it, because its fun and does other stuff that a DS can't do. A couple people bought the PSP, but not the DS.
***** Digg.
This is ***** - victoryroadrage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6the article was about the ds and psp.
read the article before you comment or at least read the description - Azric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have to agree with terminalpariah. Nintendo never forced you to upgrade, unless you count regular GB to GBA. Also, I also have to question how you broke a GB. I have all the GBs/GBAs (except for the micro) and all still work perfectly fine. Does anyone else remember the EGM durability test of the original GBA? They tried all kinds of things, including flushing it down a toilet and running over it with a car and it still worked. I'd say GBs are pretty durable.
- hansamurai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Who diggs this crap? I don't plan to buy a PS3 at launch but I still don't appreciate this biased crap on the game page. Buried for innacuracy.
- africansk8er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Amen.
That dude must be on something... - RandomGuySteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dont forget that sony is going by shipped, not sales, so technically his numbers could have the PSP above the DS at the time he said that.
Not that there's a chance in hell that it would be for long, what with NSMB and the like.. but its amazing the PSP did so well over here considering. - BenSerwa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I don't know, some Sony employee spouting off a bunch of inaccurate hating nonsense is pretty amusing to me, it wreaks of desperation. Got my digg.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@wmpp:
Sony is considered a plural every but North America, however, due to the fact that there isn't a singular form of Sony, it would still be turned into a singular by the rest of the sentance.
"These" is by definition plural, but you wouldn't say "These are a bunch of sticks", you would say "This is a bunch of sticks", or "These sticks are in a bunch".
Also the fact that this sentance was written in US English, makes it totally correct. (It's not one of those things that while utterly wrong, even in US English, is still used by ALOT of americans, such as "Could care less" instead of "Couldn't care less" or "Soddering" instead of "Soldering".
@sovereign3:
I presume that you meant "going", not "gong", but otherwise that appears correct to me. - modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Clintweir: Last time I checked the Gamecube wasn't a distant 3rd. Xbox outsold the Gamecube by 3 million, but in the grand scheme of things that was only like 2% marketshare behind Xbox. Both Xbox and Gamecube got their asses kicked by Sony which is plain to see, but saying that they were a distant third kinda implies they were well behind the Xbox. I'm sure this christmas the Gamecube will make up some of that groud given it will be so dirt cheap and they're releasing a AAA title in Twilight Princess.
And as for breaking Nintendo stuff, that's typically hard to do. Nintendo makes most of their stuff pretty kid proof, so they typically won't break easily unless you're abusing it. - bash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@acurism: I can see how you think I'm that immature and I have no ill-feeling towards you for thinking that. But understand this: I don't respect people that lie and try to talk their way out of it when caught red-handed. I don't respect people that are arrogant. I don't respect people to act all ballsy when they have nothing behind that facade they've put up. Sony has shown to have done that and more.
Sony has had better days. Right now, they just seem like they want to take over the world. They should, in the words of a writer for Wired, "just make cool products".
To answer your question, yes I do own a Sony digital camera. It died, 1 year after I got it. Now I own a Canon. Had it for 2. Hasn't broke down.
I am not naive enough to believe Sony will go bankrupt. It won't. I am not naive enough to believe the PS3 won't have a lot of sales. It will.
But that doesn't mean I have to like them.
@AmishRefugee: I understand the informative angle you want Digg to have, but I go to the BBC website for that. Personally I think Slashdot handles the "informative information" angle well, and although I respect you for wanting that perspective, I don't think Digg should become that. It should just be a place for 'cool' news that you want to read. - Zettabyte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Who ***** cares about profits and sales, that's for the share holders. Some of the best console had lacklustre sales, AKA dreamcast. I'm into the games, that's why I bought a PSP...Don't believe me, goto gamespot and find out the DS and PSP top 10 games and campare the differences.
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I see more DS stuff at the local game stores than I do with the PSP. So I don't what North America this Sony rep is talking about.
- znutar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Umm, not sure what the big deal is. I got tired of continuously upgrading my PC and didn't want a fixed console. I checked out the DS and the PSP and for my purposes, the PSP did a lot more (browse, watch movies, MP3 player, picture album) than the DS, and the games appealed to me more. Now mind you, I'm 40 years old and didn't care about the price issue, just functionality and gaming potential. I have really enjoyed Field Commander (which I gather is a clone of Advance Wars..so what), Kingdom of Paradise, Wipeout Pure, and Syphon Filter. I have transcoded numerous videos and DVDs to my 2 GB memory stick pro for easy plane flight viewing, and show friends pictures of my kids. Bottom line, I couldn't care less who the parent company is, I just like what my PSP does for me. I also hope that everyone enjoys their DS and I'm probably getting my daughter one for Christmas so she'll stop bugging me.
- miketuck3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There must be something in the water at sony HQ, dillusional would be the word..
The DS Lite is outselling the PSP by 2 to 1 in the US/Europe and 5 to 1 in japan its not even a contest if it carries on at this rate the ds will have a market share of 70% in two years time - RMDTech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I hate to say this but I am happy for all the Sony bashing, at least this time around.
I'm not saying Sony is not making a superior system, all I am saying is that when a company does something stupid and constantly they should be blatantly taken out in the streets and beaten for it.
Let look back a few years when Nintendo went with cartridge based N64. Everyone was lambasting it and only the Nintendo Fanboys were saying anything good about it. I mean it was a format that nobody wanted to deal with anymore. It might have been more powerful but it was also "More challenging" to program for. Many companies that supported at first slowly backed away from it.
Now look at the PS3 today. It's doing the same thing. Going for a format no one cares about. Making the most powerful system but making it hard to program for. And yes they have fewer people supporting it because of it. Now I'm sure the games will be beautiful but it doesn't mean that the games on the Dreamcast weren't also beautiful for it's time.
Personally I think Sony is on the same slope that Nintendo was with the N64, which was the reason Sony joined the gaming race anyway since Nintendo no longer wanted the Playstation as an add-on to the SNES. If Sony doesn't watch out they will be a memory or just be relegated to making software. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6a less arguable title would have been "Sony is full of idiots", i think everyone can agree on that title for both grammar and meaning.
- SomeJerk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Digg is fair and balanced like Fox News.
- CMGNEWS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If People Digg it than it belongs on the front page. Anyone that doesn't like it can go elsewhere because that is the beauty of Digg.
- Danin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes boo hoo let's bring politics into console holy wars while we're at it, damn those filthy democrats and their Wiis!
Wait oh what's that yeah BURIED. - meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I have seen this many times lately on a FEW different websites. After Sony said about the 360's HD DVD drive "too bad it won't aid the gamer's experience" (paraphrased, but close) and now they're directly targeting Nintendo with derogatory comments,
Marketing Rule #1:Mentioning your competition is a sign of weakness.
Sad and true. - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@clintweir: It's true, I have no doubt that Nintendo could have produced the DS lite from the get-go, but it would have been much more expensive.
By staggering out these optional upgrades, they can refine the hardware to reduce the cost of manufacture. The DS lite costs about what the DS phat cost at launch, and the phat is now $10 cheaper. Same with the GBA - I got my backlit SP for $70 CDN, which is less than I spent on the original, purple Lame Boy Advance. - Konklone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I can't believe a story with a title like this made it to the front page. I hate Sony like nearly everyone else here, but this isn't helping Digg's reputation for sensationalism any.
Marked as inaccurate. - raindog469, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's entirely possible that after 17 months, the PSP had shipped more units to North America than the DS had sold. Sony doesn't release actual sales figures, so we'll never have an apples-to-apples comparison.
But that was after 17 months. Now it's 22 months, and what this guy is saying comes off as "Oh yeah? Well, six months ago we were still ahead!" - GhostToon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I notice a lot of the grammar freaks spell "alot" wrong. Its "a lot" not "alot" That's about all I remember from high school English.
- modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm agreeing with you on the expanded market. I have now 8 different friends who have bought a DS after I purchased one. I got one, then another friend, then his 2 brothers, then when other friends saw how awesome the DS was they picked one up as well. Now most of my friends who bought one also have girlfriends of the non-gamer variety who plays the DS more then the friend that bought it. These girlfriends are the ones who would play online flash games but now play DS instead. This definitely shows me they've managed to expand the market for handhelds, as many of these friends were also home console players(PS2) and not portable gamers.
- SlyCooper360, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think the ds has lost some of its core auidence... little kids. Their parents havent bought them a DS yet. I see a lot of kids still playing gba's. Oddly they are always playing pokemon when the new ones come out the death blow of the PSP will happen.
Also who cares about grammar? We all know that Sony tends to make bad comment... The PS3 is almost too cheap. - macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah I realised that LSD and beer didn't mix to well when they said the PS3 would definately be the best ever console. And now they say PSP outsold DS. This just goes to prove that Sony is using the money to buy drugs and get high.
- enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The PSP is being outsold in every market share. Sony reports what they ship, not what they sell. (again). Lets get that straight. It doesn't matter if you talk about the japanese or US markets. The DS is outselling the PSP and that is a straight up fact.
The only reason these Sony execs talk this way is to save face. They got beat after putting all their money into the PSP.
Now with that said, I would like a PSP someday, but its too damn expensive and not nearly worth the cost. HMMMM PS3 anyone??? - Spaz007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1PSP is outselling the DS if you don't limit the count to just Japan.
- icealchemist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Can someone please post actual NA sales figures for DS/DSLite vs. PSP, instead of coming up with ones out of your asses. kthx
- satori3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did anyone read the linked article? I mean actually read it, and not just focus on some gramatical questions you might have. The article says that there was a set market size for hand helds. That market share has had the PSP sell to some of the people who are part of the market, but Jack Tretton is saying that the PSP has grown that hand held market, and branched out, while the DS is simply selling to the same people who have traditionally bought the GBA or the GB. This makes sense because the PSP is not simply a pure gaming device. It goes on to say that given the original market share that as well as the DS it is losing it's edge to some of the competition.
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I do not know alot of people with a DS
If you knew the kids that I know with a DS, you'd see what I mean
I believe you when you say normal people have DS's, I actually saw some yesterday
lol -
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