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- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -4/+108Marketing 101: Don't tell potential customers that if they wait to buy your product they can save $100.
565 days won't be until Summer '08 anyways. There probably will be a price cut by then, but no one will actually announce that because it could hurt sales now. - dominasian, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40"For reference, the PS2 was reduced from $299 to $199 in the United States on May 14, 2002, 565 days after the Oct. 20, 2000 release date. Using this data and Tretton's above answer, we can expect that the PS3 won't come down in price until at least June 4, 2008."
yeah but there was demand for the PS2 - iampoch, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33Oh, and research more on video game history. Nintendo that you seem to so love deserved what happened to them. We're talking about a company who bullied 3rd-party developers and and at one time successfully locked them out from developing for other systems (NEC and SEGA). It took two international court rulings before they relented. They were also foolish enough (and, in accordance with Japanese customs, unacceptable and dishonorable) to stab Sony in the back. That's why we have the PS line in the first place. And to further add things for you ro research on, determine why 3rd-party developers flocked to the then-new console, and almost left Nintendo to hang dry in N64.
And as for MS, i don't think we need any introduction here. It's a very well-known fact how they go about this their business. Unless you've been living under the rock, this is a company rife with antitrust lawsuits. Think "OEM" and it's a pretty enough picture what the videogame industry will be like if MS is the winner.
Not that Sony's a prettyboy as well, with their arrogant BS and pro-DRM thing.
But what I'm trying to say here is that you people think really hard first before saying "DIE SONY" or "DIE MS" or "NINTENDO IS GOD". I'd like all three to do equally well. Why? Because cometition will force them to breathe down each other's necks. And that's a good thing for consumers because they'll always try to outdo each other, offer better service and products ant more competitive prices. So, if one dies off, will that be a good thing for us consumers? I don't think so. and for those bird-brains who'll say it is, research on the friggin history of each company first before making an ass of yourself - chembro84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Exactly, no company would ever say "Hey, wait a few months, it'll be cheaper then"
Sony, MS and Nintendo will all deny price drops until the day they happen. - johnthedebs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Who uses a PC solely to play games?
- rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29I dont care how bad a system is. Nothin is as bad as the virtual boy. You couldn't even see the games. Just bleh.
- chinaman1472, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Sony die? I'm not exactly the most hardcore fanboy but let's think about this logically for a second.
You want a company who manufactures: Computers, TVs, Video Games, Video Game Consoles/Handhelds, Digital Cameras, Movies and more to die?
Yea, let's see that happen. They may have bad tactics or whatever, but they're a business, get over it. They entire reason they push new formats (or back existing ones) into the market is so they can make more money, the entire point of business and capitalism in America. Microsoft and Nintendo in the end are no different. They put making $$ ahead of you as a person. It's just how it's presented that makes a difference. - firefox15, on 10/12/2007, -11/+31Tretton responded with a curt, "No."
Open your eyes Tretton, that's exactly what customers are saying to your product. Either cut the price or be prepared to fail. - Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24there are enough PC games to warrant 3x the price.
hell you can make your own games
download movies
make movies
make games
play emulated games
Play games in a resolution higher than 1280x720
display images
edit images
its a damn PC, need i go on?
quite honeslty i would rather spend $600 for the GeForce 6600GS rather than a PS3 because i would end up with better looking games, and a whole hell lot more of them to boot.
$600 is alot of money to spend on a machine with no good games. - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21No it isn't.
I bought one. I returned it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22@ prockcore
We are clearly discussing US Launch since this article is about the US PS3 Pricing
the US Launch had more sales than the Xbox 360, just check with the NPD - Bobalobabingbon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13$199
- FrankieB078, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Hell by the time the PS2 price dropped, I had already bought a 2nd one because the 1st fried out on me...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -24/+32I don't see how better launch numbers than the 360 is any sort of failure
as for the 360 I don't see it dropping in price either - MiDri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You can use the HD-DVD on a pc too... so technically if there are Linux drivers for it, you can use it on the ps3... But the HD-DVD is not going to be used for games, so it is not a big deal...
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18This is really scraping the barrell for anti-PS3 fodder here.
Yes, anything bad about the PS3 will get dugg like crazy. We get it. Can we just move on now?
-Pie - taxman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10When i got my 360, i also bought an extra wireless controller, the dvd remote, 1 rechargeable battery plus 1 battery charger with a rechargeable battery.....That put my hardware around 530$ which is more than what the 20 GB PS3 goes for. But, i made all those extra purchases as per my liking....I dont want the wireless connection or the hi-def player. So why should i be expected to pay an extra 100$ when i have no inclination of using them.
- Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13meh.
HD-DvD really isint anything special. neither is Blu-Ray. - Zoxy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Well without the blu-ray I doubt it would be 500/600 that it is, it probably would be 400/500.
- JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I agree, the value is there its just the sticker shock. You can say you don't need all that stuff but yeah, yeah you do. You can choose to be nickel and dimmed to death but really the PS3 is the better value.
$400 xbox is really close to $500 for the core ps3 which really you should be comparing it to. Even then you don't get HD-DVD yet.
I don't think its easy to argue that you don't get what you pay for but I can sympathize with the sticker shock state of mind even if its a bit unfair. - dzmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15I wanna know how many PC gamers have spent less than 600 dollars on a PC that they only use as a gaming machine cause most times a PC designed only to game usually costs at least triple the cost of the PS3. Give me the new tech.
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@zybch Don Quijote a japanese retailer had a promotion for 20% off PS3's. For a limited time valid on promotional stock.
- NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Where did all the PS3 fan boys come from? Check into what you read.
PS3 launch was not better than the 360, no matter what kotaku may believe. Check the references from Wikipedia, they are from the actual financial releases from microsoft and sony.
Disinformation: http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/ps3-launch-outsells-xbox-360-launch-226742.php
Truth:
360 Christmas sales last year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Sales {check reference 75]
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/101283.asp?source=rss
PS3 Sales
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3s-at-launch-north-america-400k-japan-100k-198718.php
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36955
I would note that Sony's sales figures are being questioned into whether or not these are actual sales or units produced and currently in stores.
Basically, 1 million units moved by sony (Nov 11th - Jan 1st) and 1.5 million units move by microsoft (Nov 22nd - Jan 1st) - StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ iampoch: Absolutely right. I'd rather have the three of them too busy trying to screw each other than have one of them screwing me, because that would be #:$%ing painful!
@ThinkBox: I think you're deluded. The people that work for the company may well want to provide a service, but above them is a PHB telling them to screw people for as much $$$ as possible, otherwise they lose their jobs to someone else that will.
Companies are in business to make money. Some may let a little bit of money go for ethical reasons, but I doubt Sony would, and Microsoft would rape your grandmother for cash! - colouredlights, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well put
- FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"I don't see how better launch numbers than the 360 is any sort of failure"
It's a failure because it's a huge reduction in market share. The PS2 had an overwhelming market share advantage. Imagine if Vista systems sold at the same rate as Apples during their launch. It would be consider a failure of titanic proportions. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I must be a luddite these days... I enjoy games, not technology.
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -33/+38Despite the cost to manufacture it, I fully expect the PS3's price to drop faster than a Virtual Boy and I fully expect the system to do about as well as the Virtual Boy. Both are a pain in the neck.
- hmcook87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4panasonic broadcast gear? i dont think so... what ever happened to DVCPro anyway?
- Zoxy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9The blu-ray player adds only 100 dollars to the console. The only real difference in the core PS3 and the prem 360 is the hdmi output and the hi def player which makes the price 100 more then the 360. Hey I don't what to spend 50 dollars a year on online play but you have to in order to play online with the 360. I just don't see the whole uproar in the price. People are willing to spend 400 + 50 (1 year of XBL) but the extra 50 bucks makes the system with a hi-def player totally out of reach. The 360 is a good system with a lot of good games coming out this year and so is the PS3 so just buy for the games you want because the system would probably cost you about same when it all adds up any way.
- Lawr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ nogami
what kind of crack are you smoking? there have been new entrants into the home A/V market the last few years with the Koreans, but Sony's marketshare is still very strong, and they make some of the highest margins in the industry.
"The only part of Sony that really makes money is their Movie division" -- lol, RIGHT.
Just because there are up and comers with interesting competitive products doesn't mean Sony is suddenly on it's way out.
Sony doesn't need to have a monopoly in order to make money. - SoonerPet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I totally agree. In this generation the PS3 is the "me too" product.
If you want graphics go with the xbox.
If you want fun games and great exclusive games get the Wii.
The PS3 offers nothing over the other two really except a hefty price tag. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4hahahaha you're funny.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18I don't really see the problem with the price. I spent nearly as much on a Xbox 360. $400 for the console + $100 for the wireless adapter + $50 for Xbox Live + $30 for the battery charger...and I've still only got a 20GB HDD.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@kid
In Asia, we don't have expensive shipping... - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://curmudgeongamer.com/media/console-prices-absolute.pdf
Anyone notice a trend in the above 500$ systems? - angelp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's worth it to me. I happen to be a huge HD fan and have been enjoying Blu-ray movies since I got my PS3. I've played games on it as well (not as many as I do on my 360 of course). Considering I paid $400 for my 360 and I also have the add-on which would have been another $200 if I had paid for it...that's $600. If I had paid full price for my PS3 it would have been $600 plus I get wireless, 60GB drive, plus HDMI. Clearly worth it for someone who enjoys the technology.
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@imanihilist -- I can tell by your post you don't have a PS3 just a few corrections below
-The scaler is horrible -- The issue is with older HDTV's that only support 480i/480p and 1080i. If you have a standard TV or a HDTV that support 1080p or 720p your set to go.
The backwards compatability is completely broken -- less than 40 games out of 20,000+ exhibit an issue. PS3 by far has the best backwards compatability and available library of games. Microsoft completely stopped working on backwards compatability for their Xbox games and only 20% of those actually work.
The web-browser (while neat) is virtualy useless - What are you talking about?? It works fine I, I'd rather surf using my PC but if I'm lazy and don't want to wait for my PC to load up then I use my PS3.
the online gaming component is pretty broken - Games start fast and are lag free. The friends/messaging needs to be more unified, but if you just play it works fine.
If all these problems were fixed overnight, they'd be selling. In fact, I'd probably buy one. -- See now go get one :) - chinaman1472, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Difficult to cost reduce refers to their production cost. Retailers and stores reducing the cost of the PS3 has nothing to do with production cost.
- SGagnon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4angelp, keep in mind that if those 500,000 360 would have shipped to NA instead of Europe, they would have sold easily, beating the PS3 by 50%.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12"Its like comparing the price of my nintendo ds with the top of the line noise canceling headphones i use with it to the price of the ps3. Yeah the price is almost the same, but wtf does it prove?"
Actually, it's not. What I'm doing is setting things equal such that an accurate comparison can be made. My point is that it's not the price that's the problem, because people (myself included) are easily spending close to, if not more than $600 on an Xbox 360. In fact, there is little point in getting the model with the HDD if you aren't going to use Xbox Live, so that $50 subscription is pretty much a given. Similar idea with batteries (whether you use Microsoft ones, throw aways, or rechargables, it doesn't matter the cost is still there).
The problem with the PS3 is that it sucks. It's a $600 Blu-Ray player that can also play some games, and has a bunch of other built-in broken functionality for free. The scaler is horrible--pretty much limiting you to 480p unless you own a 1080p HDTV, the backwards compatability is completely broken, the web-browser (while neat) is virtualy useless like it's PSP counterpart, on the online gaming component is pretty broken compared to Xbox Live. If all these problems were fixed overnight, they'd be selling. In fact, I'd probably buy one. - jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Don Quijote a japanese retailer (similiar to Wal-Mart) had a 20% off PS3 promotion available only on promotional quantities. (ie a sale) Just like Amazon had X360 for $100, oh I guess by your standards Amazon just wanted to get the "damned thigs from cluttering up their shelves."
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Was referring to the US, both systems come with no games.
- derelictmindset, on 10/12/2007, -12/+15the problem is you are comparing the price of one console, along with optional purchases you made which are not needed to play the system, to the base price of another system without any optional accessories.
Its like comparing the price of my nintendo ds with the top of the line noise canceling headphones i use with it to the price of the ps3. Yeah the price is almost the same, but wtf does it prove?
Nothing, along with your post - revisrev, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Of course all of the companies are after money, that's a given. The thing is that Nintendo understands that to make money you have to make your customers happy. I'm not saying that Sony doesn't understand this, just that they have done a horrible job of it this time at bat. Nintendo does a damn good job of making the customer feel important from start to finish, case and point:
I was sitting down, a few weeks ago (dry winter) with my DS plugged in while playing it. I went to stand up and when my feet touched the tile *ZAP* I ESD'd my DS. So I call Nintendo, and the lady asks the prerequisite questions, then she asks me what happened. After I tell her she says "Well, your box to send that to us is in the mail, now are you okay?" That was all she talked about the rest of the time. There were no insulting questions trying to corner me into admitting wrongdoing so that they don't have to replace my DS. A few days later Nintendo calls me again to see if I had sought medical attention, they were going to foot the bill if I decided to (worth mentioning that both times I was speaking with what sounded like native English speakers). That's making your customer feel important. Were they afraid I might sue for that little ESD? Probably, (I won't, that's retarded). But the point is they impressed me with their consistent customer focus from before you buy (marketing) to after you break it (warranty service). Of course they want to make money, it's just that they're really good at customer focus, which is the right way to make money, because it builds repeat business.
So, you see, not all companies are out to screw the customers, as a matter of fact, a sustainable business model does not include screwing customers. Happy customers line your pockets. Nintendo has done a great job of winning hearts and minds, and that is what matters most in the long run. I have never been more satisfied with a company than I have been with Nintendo the last few years. - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ gxcdesign
I'm not so sure about those figures. Do you have any idea how many people bought the PS3 just to scalp it? I'd like to see the sales figures before Christmas and how many returns were the week after Christmas. I bought a PS3...but I didn't keep it. Damn I couldn't even sell the thing for what I paid for it. - Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2heh, i was thinking of the GeForce 8800GS, not the 6600GS... wow thats a HUGE mistake, the 6600 is like $75... the 8800 is like $600
- SGagnon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"as for the 360 I don't see it dropping in price either"
gxcdesign, not me, I see the 360 drop in price within a few months. Already the 360 premium is sold at profit. It was unexpected that early and Microsoft already said they would like an annual price drop. Since the PS3 was hard to find and MS met their target of 10 millions (which moved a bit mind you), they didn't have an incentive to do so yet. If the 360 drops by $50-$100 a few week before their European launch (can't lower the price close after that launch otherwise it would look as if they are panicking) that would put a blow to Sony's effort. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2a lot of people solely play PC games, if you're RTS fan, if you like FPS games but dislike playing the Nth Halo clone (yes, besides GOW, nearly all console FPS games originate on PC and are released years before the console versions) or if you like playing any decent sims/mmorpgs, it's all PC dominated stuff.
- Krakn3Dfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Plenty of people WANT a PS3, I know more than a few, but when the XMas season passed by and they weren't able to get one, it seemed absurd to spend $500-$600 on a game console in a post-XMas market. Wii, and the 360 to a lesser extent, are cheaper options, although you could argue the price/components issue 360 vs. PS3. The Wii is a pure gaming system, very stripped down to the core, no HD, no DVD playback, no HD playback option, and very last gen graphically, which is fine, because it brings some very cool control options to the table that gamers didn't have before, and the graphics themselves, while not 360 or PS3 grade by a long shot, are fine for pretty much any casual gamer, which make up a huge section of the market, including myself (sadly, more so the older I get). When you look at the DS compared to the PSP, the DS graphics are abysmal compared to the PSP, but the control scheme of the DS is unique and innovative and fun to pick up and spend time with, while the PSP is heavily handicapped by a single analog stick and the overall control design of the system itself.
I think the PS3 has a long life in the console market, but I also think they 360 is gaining momentum and the Wii is doing well out of the gate, and hopefully for the long term. I think having 3 strong contenders in the game console market is boon for all gamers, because it will force developers and publishers to offer something substantial on those platforms. I seriously hope the Wii doesn't because another Gamecube, but then, I don't want to see the 360 or PS3 end up in that boat either. -
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