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- wageslaven, on 10/26/2007, -39/+214The attach rate and growing gap in the two machine's worldwide install base is growing -- some heads are going to roll at Sony.
They rely on the PS brand to support a good deal of that firm, if the machine fails, this could be serious trouble at Sony.
I believe they really under-estimated the impact MS's Developer-centric worldview would impact the PS3. You simply cannot ask for more work, to achieve less results, for a small return. All together, the Sony is asking the 3rd parties to take a very serious financial risk to support it.
2 price-cuts in 12 months, a stripped-down model to try and push machines into the field, all together, this spells serious desperation at Sony WHQ. - inactive, on 10/24/2007, -17/+102You mean everyone didn't WANT to spend $600 for that thing?
- logicalnoise, on 10/24/2007, -11/+74PS3 is far from defeated but them being number 1 this generation seems less and less likely for this year. They just don't have the line-up or buzz that MS or Nintendo does for this holiday season. Once their big titles come out it will likely get betetr but for now there's no good reason that the 360 or WII will start seeing a major drop off in sales.
- darkfire532, on 10/23/2007, -5/+61Yeah, prices are the only reason systems sell well. Thats why the Gamecube won last generation.
- mpn401, on 10/24/2007, -12/+64It's the Sega Saturn all over again.
The previous generation was a smashing success and Sony figured they could carry over customers built on reputation. Same was with the Genesis.
Top-notch (and expensive) hardware, yet difficult to program for.
3rd place in sales.
The similarities are striking. - hunchback, on 10/24/2007, -2/+54dont forget the cost of Blu-ray drives shot the consoles price to stupid heights, if the price were lower, it may not be so far behind, maybe. Hardware wise the PS3 is still a well built quality system ... just still not enough fcking good games (nor blu ray movies or pirated blu ray discs?) to be a compelling buy ... oh and the problems with lack of rumble in the beginning and is a pain to developer for(?) ... sigh. Sony didn't count on both Nintendo and MS having great systems, quite arrogant!
- Ocelot13, on 10/23/2007, -2/+5132 mb? im impressed...please continue
- MyISIain, on 10/23/2007, -23/+59The computer is already the best gaming machine around.
- NeoOfTheSith, on 10/24/2007, -5/+39The Cell is an odd design especially for game programming. While I'm sure many will try to repeat the Sony line of "It just takes time to learn the system" I'm willing to bet very few know what a headache it is because of how different it is from the other architectures. Programming for multithreaded processors and multi-core processors is still new but the Cell goes into the whole SPE ***** which doesn't let you execute what you want on whichever core is free. Some things can be done by the SPE's but not everything which forces you to load balanace as best as possibible.
There is no doubt the Cell is extraordinary at crunching Floating Point numbers but when it comes to gaming design and play it's a pain in the ass.
People dont understand what the Cell really is. Its SPE's unfortunately are not full fledged processors so you need to be careful what you run on them. With the PC and 360 you can just create a thread and let the system sort it out for you. It's not that simple with the PS3. Only the PPE can run full threads so to get anything near playable speed you need to load off as much as possible to the SPE but then you also need to work out what to offload. Using an asymmetric design forces the programmer to be aware of the CPU and its cores which I think is counter-productive.
It wasn't a wise choice for a gaming console but Sony wants it be for more than just gaming.
Unfortunately you get the Sony fanboys who dont want to hear it because of things like its applauded performance in Folding@Home and super-computing but the 360 CPU is a better gaming console CPU - its simple, cheap, multi-core, and symmetrical. - ElPieEater, on 10/22/2007, -8/+40When you align the launch dates, the numbers don't look so terrible:
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All ... - statix, on 10/23/2007, -14/+45Please! please stick with us...we'll even throw in a Sony MicroVault 32MB Flash Drive...youd like that won't you??
//from a ps3 owner. - Murdats, on 10/24/2007, -7/+36nothing says fun like watching your console do complex equations.
"jimmy wanna come over?" "nah im busy folding today, its awesome fun you should try it" - Lane, on 10/26/2007, -23/+49I am totally unaware of anything that takes advantage of the PS3's total capabilities yet, except maybe folding at home which the PS3 excels at. I dont know the life cycle planned for the 360 but i don't see it dominating for a decade like the PS3 has a potential to. Hardware pricing will come down. The wii I love, its fantastic, fun and innovative. It might not be the heavy weight, but to me its the one coming out on top.
- logicalnoise, on 10/23/2007, -6/+31unfortunately for sony these sales result aren't cutting it and they need roughly 8x the sales to be back in the main contention. 360 used their lead effectively despite the design setbacks and WII has appealed to the mass audience to beef up their numbers. If teh PS3 had no competition it would be doing fine. Unfortunately the situation is different.
- aqzman, on 10/24/2007, -8/+33It's really too bad for PS3 and PS3 owners. It's a great system on paper, but the cost of it really doesn't appeal to people (like me) who only play video games a few times a week. And rumors that it's hard to develop for doesn't help. The fact is that putting out a game for PS3 with good graphics, good gameplay, and a long play time will cost around 20 million dollars. Video game publishers are in the game publishing business to make a profit, and it's hard to make a profit when you spend 20 million dollars on developing a game and you only have around 5 million possible people to sell it to.
The fact is that PS3 is a great system, but in the long run all PS3 owners can really hope for is game ports with prettier graphics then it's counterparts on Wii and 360. Saying all of that, I hoped I'm proved wrong in the future, and I pick up a PS3 myself. We'll see. - dvsbastard, on 10/24/2007, -5/+30Performance is only as useful as its application... And as a gaming machine it has yet to be applied to its intended purpose (and we are still waiting for that o happen).
What good is a 1000BHP racecar that can't put the power on the road? Sure, it packs a lot of performance power, but it won't win any races... - inactive, on 10/23/2007, -3/+27The PSONE was a success because sega sucked so bad, and nintendo came late without an optical format.
- dillibob, on 10/26/2007, -16/+40i dont think the ps3 is really a bad system, i think it was just realeased too late into the game. if you remember the 360 didnt have any good games until gears of war came out. ps3 will probably be good once gta4 and mgs4 come out
- inactive, on 10/23/2007, -1/+22This makes me think of Sega Saturn vs PSX
The Sega supposedly had more power, but since it had multi processor architecture was difficult to take advantage of.
The PSX in contrast had a simpler architecture and a very easy to use SDK and thus was much better to develop for. - Shaggy6ster, on 10/24/2007, -2/+23Superior technology isn't why people buy games. Games are. Playing a bad game on the biggest beefiest console in the world doesn't make it any more appealing.
- NSMike, on 10/23/2007, -0/+21Along with the $399 SKU, the 80 GB will be dropping in price to $499. That's the second price drop.
And the original XBox was an entry into the market against 2 strong competitors. Not to mention, that particular statistic is not very supportive of your arguments. The original XBox was not a strong success. Nor is that particularly relevant to this generation. The original XBox was a late entry. And IT was the recipient of most of the ports, and very few noteworthy exclusives. If anything, this shows that it's the software that drives a system. Sony knows it, and now, they're desperate. Desperate to avoid failure, or desperate to avoid becoming the third place console in this generation, whichever it is, they don't want it. - motang, on 10/23/2007, -2/+22Sad, I am a video game fan and I have a PS2 and a Wii (with GameCube and Wii games), but it seems like for the past decade while Sony was on top they got arrogant and didn't expect Microsoft and Nintendo to pull the rug from underneath their feet. Well it looks like History is repeating itself (as it did with Nintendo after it's decade long reign).
- gwolf, on 10/24/2007, -7/+27You have got to stop listening to the hype.
Who ever said a super computer would make a good game system? Super computers use a very different kind of code for what they do. - jze17, on 10/23/2007, -10/+29
Japan Sales Figures:
Wii - 3,550,000
PS3 - 1,200,000
360 - 450,000
US Sales Figures:
360 - 12,005,441
Wii - 11,911,618
PS3 - 4,933,967
Wii is owning.
360 leads slightly in US, is dying in Japan.
PS3 is doing okay for it's first year, almost on par with 360's first year. - BlueSkyfish, on 10/23/2007, -10/+29Sony's been doing this before the original Xbox even came out.
- SovereignRune, on 10/24/2007, -3/+22Third Console Curse strikes again. If they can beat Xbox by the end of the generation, Sony should count their blessings.
- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -2/+20Having one of their most famous product lines sink cannot be good for the brand as a whole.
- pixelate, on 10/24/2007, -4/+22That's the simple truth... Sony put together a machine with architecture that is great for things like Folding @ Home but not close to ideal for gaming. And they've been arrogant about it from the beginning, asking people to "work more hours" to afford a $600 console and just assuming that the "PlayStation" name would assure them success three generations in a row... regardless of what they actually gave consumers for their money.
The PS3 is a trojan horse for Sony's entertainment division first, and a gaming machine second. I don't understand people who make the investment while very little has actually panned out in terms of Sony's promises. - realdeal83, on 10/22/2007, -9/+26http://vgchartz.com/
According to VGChartz it pretty much is on par, which doesnt make it a sinking ship at all. I'm sick of these articles hinting its all over for PS3, when its selling at the same rate 360 did. - Christbait, on 10/23/2007, -5/+22"ps3 will probably be good once gta4 and mgs4 come out"
The reason I bought a 360 in the first place was for GTA4. It's pretty obvious right now that it is going to sell the most with 360 owners, Sony need stronger titles of their own. - inactive, on 10/24/2007, -18/+35Everyone seems to forget that the PS3 is/was nothing more than a trojan horse to get bluray into as many homes as possible. Thats ALL it was ever designed to be.
And if bluray was to win the HD 'wars' sony will have at last created a format over which it has total control and can do with what it wishes including generating obscene profits from licensing the format. - SGagnon, on 10/23/2007, -4/+21What your missing is Sony coming from a much larger previous gen installed base than MS did. Just having as many sells as MS is for Sony, a big let down.
- STKD, on 10/23/2007, -2/+18The only reasons PSP is a "success" (and I use the term loosely) are homebrew and piracy. Neither of which are good for developers in the long run.
- atomicknuckles, on 10/22/2007, -0/+16aside from kojima saying NO IT WONT BE ON THE 360!
- popothebright, on 10/23/2007, -9/+23Two things to point out:
First off, yes of course Sony has behaved like a bunch of idiots -- that's what Sony does: They push proprietary platforms, charge silly prices, and live in some bizarre fantasy world in which they believe they have some sort of monopoly, and the entire industry will swoon to their whims. Brring ...this is your wake up call fellas: you're struggling and you better start getting real charming. The PSP was a disaster. The PS3 is a disaster. That means you've got no winners in the field, Sony
But we should also point out that Microsoft played this round brilliantly. The decision to beat the PS3 by an entire year, but save the uber-title (Halo 3) for later never gave Sony their much-needed moment in the spotlight. The PS3 has been utterly eclipsed by the Halo 3 hype machine.
Fast forward into the future and there's an interesting question to be asked: What happens next round? Will Sony allow itself to be beaten to the punch on the next console cycle? Because if the next round plays out like this round -- goodbye Sony.
What Sony needs to do is release a handheld version of the PS1 that plays PS1 games without *any* porting required. If they do that, Sony will be the proud owner of the handheld system with the biggest library. If they don't do that, they won't be having a big library on anything for a long time. - spencerkam, on 10/24/2007, -6/+20I think the problem with the PS3 is that it doesn't have a game that will sell the console. Take for example Halo for the 360. That game sells consoles. In fact, it almost sold me a 360.
- dysonlu, on 10/23/2007, -1/+14Considering that the PS3 is having similar numbers as the 360 in its first year AND there is actually a competing system to go against, something that the 360 hasn't during its first year, the PS3 is doing alright.
- evilesttoast, on 10/23/2007, -6/+19It stops here.
- Murdats, on 10/24/2007, -1/+14so did the xbox, and the n64 and...
and who needs games when you can do math, really fast. - ReCkLeSsX, on 10/26/2007, -3/+15That's because they really aren't that bad. According to that chart, the PS3 is mimicking how the 360 in its first year.
- mattyice11, on 10/22/2007, -3/+15You're arguing 2 different points.
He's right - the hardware gap is widening right now because the 360 is outselling the PS3. And the attach rate isn't close and never has been. - craterburnsu, on 10/23/2007, -4/+15I disagree. They don't rely on the Console to support them. Sure it helps, but 90% of consumers will go out to buy a TV or stereo right now and refuse to get anything but sony, purely because Sony was the brand to have for such a long time (regardless of if the samsung's blow them out the water in the lower end pricing).
- ZenMojo, on 10/23/2007, -12/+23So basically, a tech reporter who used the word "arrogance" in his description of Sony says that an unidentified insider says that Sony is "pleading" for 3rd party developers to stay. Yeah, I'm gonna call *****. The gap between the PS3 and Xbox 360 is "growing" based on one month's sales, but overall they're pretty much where they've been. The PS3's selling at the same rate that the Xbox 360 was selling in the same time period, which is pretty ***** but no reason to praise the 360 over, say, the Wii.
- DavidGX, on 10/24/2007, -5/+16You know I wish for once the fanboys would go into great detail about this so-called great untapped power the ps3 supposedly has. Listen, I'm not trying to be anti-sony, but it's just not there. Yeah, the games will continue to look better, just as they will on the 360 and even Wii but the PS3 does not have some kind of ultimate power hidden away. I've read countless tech comparisons, from people who actually know what they're talking about. Many, many comments from developers, etc, etc, etc and none of them think the PS3 is as well suited for games as the 360 is. The GPU isn't as powerful as the one in the 360, the memory is set up worse and the cell is not as well suited to game-related tasks as the CPU in the 360. Yeah, it's better at some things like folding@home, but not much that's actually game related. Digg me down, or whatever you want, but read up on this stuff for yourself. Again, I'm just tired of hearing this.
- BlueSkyfish, on 10/24/2007, -2/+13PS2 had the worst hardware last gen, and it came out on top. Same with PS1 the generation before it.
- Zap2, on 10/22/2007, -0/+11MS and Nintendo won't release a new machine in 2 years...although thats would be at the end of '09....and since Xbox 360 came out in 2005, that would be like 4 years, not unreasonable....but I'm guess MS only did last time that because they were losing.......and why would Nintendo rush a new console out, if they can't supply people with their current one?
- triplehelix, on 10/24/2007, -9/+20thank god most consumers don't live in the echo chamber that is digg.
- samdu, on 10/22/2007, -5/+16The other is heavily hoped to be too.
-Fixed. There's still no real indication that MGS4 will find its way to the 360. - Lynxpro, on 10/24/2007, -3/+14"There is virtually no reason to buy a PS3 over a 360".
Except:
Having WiFi built-in and not charging $100 extra for an "official" accessory.
The controllers using standard Bluetooth so you can use your phone's Bluetooth headset with the system instead of having to buy another one.
Blu-ray being built-in so you don't have to pay $179 extra for an add-on drive that games will never take advantage of.
The system using industry standard ports like USB so you don't have to pay extra for console specific accessories like keyboards, mice, or charging equipment for the wireless controllers.
The system using industry standard hard drives so you can upgrade them easily without having to pay for overpriced proprietary hard drives.
The online play system is free so you don't have to pay $50 annually for the privilege of hearing 10 year olds cuss at each other.
Not having a 36% defective rate.
Not being a product of a convicted monopolist company trying to expand their monopoly powers outside their core (in)competency.
There, fixed that for ya. -
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