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- Okari, on 10/12/2007, -17/+70If Sony doesn't make a price cut soon and the sales stay the same, they aren't going to have anything to make a price cut on in two years.
- SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43True, but if Sony does cut the price soon they will be losing even more money for every unit sold. Sony needs to recoup the enourmous upstart costs and pay back the 80 billion yen loan they borrowed to pay for the PS3.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18082 - aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44In other news: Nobody who is "Middle Class" will likely be buying the PS3 for the next two years.
- CamZak, on 10/12/2007, -11/+39Two years? In two years time the Wii will probably be $149 and the 360 $199-249. In two years time, the PS3 will be horribly outdated by even the most inexpensive PCs. "Hm, I can get a PS3...or a quad core desktop with 2GB of ram...I'll get the PS3!" In about a years time dual core processors have gone from high end PCs and are now reaching the middle/lower end market, a dual core PC can be had for $700. I'm willing to bet that quad cores will experience the same pricing shifts.
- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27You people act as if though the PS3 will still be the top console, even if the first price drop isn't for another year or two.
Remember that cute little box called the GameCube? Remember when Nintendo lowered the price to $99? That didn't exactly help Nintendo. It was too late by then, and the PS2 was already at the top.
With each console generation, the leader of that generation is determined within two years. The Wii is selling extremely fast; the 360 has a large install base and continues to sell at an okay pace; if this continues for any longer, the PS3 will be phased out, and nothing Sony does will get them at the top.
The PS3 will sell well, but people that continue to insist that Sony will be the market leader again are extremely deluded. The ball only gets faster the longer it rolls down the hill, and once Nintendo/Microsoft get too far ahead, it will be too late. Sony needs to turn things around this year. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Not completely true, Microsoft has been selling the Xbox360 at a profit for the last few months. They'll make up for their losses then start the price war.
- MaynardJK, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28You are being pretty naive if you think the 3rd party devs are going to stand by Sony with good exclusives if Nintendo and Microsoft have 10x the user base of the PS3 by then.
Nintendo has the first party titles to hold them up if they fall far behind like they did with the Gamecube, Sony doesn't. - IkeMavent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Guys, they're spokespeople...that means they're paid to lie...if they say "Price cut is coming in 3 months" that means NO ONE WILL BUY ONE for the next 3 months.
If a price cut comes, it will not be accompanied with fanfare proceeding it - dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -12/+312 years until any real number of people actually buy it then
- mostman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Umm guys - are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. The Xbox 360 Pro package comes with a headset - hd cables - wireless controller - and a cat5 cable to use with the on-board ethernet adapter. 399. All included.
- kethraal, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Also, there's the fact that the Cell is an _absolute bitch_ to code for. I haven't written for the Cell before, but I have written multi-threaded software before, and it's hard. It's hard writing a simple data analysis app like I did -- a game is hundreds of times harder to parallelize effectively -- and the Cell sucks for anything that's not well parallelized. Add in the lack of a unified shader engine, and the lack of OOE, and you have one hell of a programming challenge.
I think Sony is going to be facing serious developer loyalty problems. Not only do the other consoles have more users -- their manufacturers have more money. - Zoids, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Common Sense: Don't tell potential customers that the price may drop in a year or two.
- mocherz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18PS3 is like the car Homer Simpson invented. http://girtby.net/images/homer-car.gif
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Not sure why I'm being dugg down, but Microsoft have been selling the Xbox360 at a profit?
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The separate bubble for the kids is a genius idea.
- CheezIt9109, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22Everyone assumes that Sony will cut costs, and drop the price.
The fact that Sony is selling the PS3 at such a loss *now* means they have less flexibility in terms of pricing when manufacturing costs *do* drop. Perhaps in a year or two's time, these costs will level out so that the PS3 isn't losing money. What then? Drop the price and lose *more* money? The PS3 is an impressive machine, and I don't want Sony dropping out of the console hardware race, but I am very, very happy that they've made the horrendous mistakes they have. Perhaps, if we are lucky, they will learn from these mistakes and not repeat them...
Who am I kidding. It's Sony. - raitchison, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@GawtMilk
The PS3 isn't "worth" $800, heck it's not worth $600, to the average consumer there is basically no difference between the 360 and the PS3, every dollar the PS3 costs over the 360 decreases it's value.
The "worth" of something has almost nothing to do with what it costs to make, it's all about what people are willing to pay for it. Consumers see that there is pretty much zero value in Blue-Ray and aren't willing to pay a hefty premium for a console that has it. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14While Sony might have brought good things to the market, they are being outpaced by a lot of companies, and they have been making crap products the last few years.
- Brocclibob, on 10/12/2007, -20/+31Sony: Good console not likely for 6 years.
- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Its not a disaster, but compare this to the PS2 at the same time and it is a disaster. Its more of an interesting topic of where did they go wrong, where did they go right. If it does end up failing where did it fail, design, managment, marketing(PR). What sucks is that half the comments in a PS3 discussion are just garbage comments that just have someone saying "***** sony" or some sort of fanboy comment.
- laterthanyou, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1380 billion yen = 721 Million dollars
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10So you saw a whole five units! Guess they aren't selling right?? I see piles of 30-40+ on X360s those aren't selling either right?
Give me a break already. PS3 is selling fine, X360 is selling fine, Wii is selling great. - 1jaxstate1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10If they would release some fricking decent games, I'm sure they would sell more. As it stands right now, there's not one PS3 game I'm dying to play. Zero!
- Ehrgeiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I wont buy one until then, the price is the reason I don't have one now.
- siggyfawn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8My god the Wii rocks.
Wasted 5 hours waiting for that mofo, but man it's been worth it. I actually have people who visit from out of town to play the party games (wii tennis, bowling, smooth moves, banana blitz).
Get 4-5-6-7-8 people, booze, the wii, it's awesome. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Guys, give it a rest. The PS3 is just over three months old. It's not a failure, isn't "doomed', and isn't going to have a price drop. Let's everyone chill out until Nov 17, 2007 until we decide anything about the PS3 (except that it's expensive right now).
- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@mocherz
That is by far the best analogy I have ever heard for this system. - wyrdness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The very fact that there are so many anti-PS3 comments on here (when there are so many pro-Nintendo ones) is indicative of Sony having alienated a significant portion of their target market, and that does not bode well for them. I do not remember many anti-Sony comments on web sites when the PS2 was launched. If anything, it was Nintendo that was taking the flak back then for making the Gamecube too much of a 'kiddie toy'.
Popular opinion speaks volumes. - Ub3rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Either they're lying or they're retarded. They just dropped the price of their Blu-ray stand alone player from $1000 to $600 MSRP. It was not impossible to find it for $800 before, so using the same logic, it should not be impossible for find it for $480 once the new MSRP kicks in. That now makes it cheaper than a PS3. Two things stand out :
1. If there cut reductions to be had in a Blu-ray player, why can't the same be applied to the PS3?
2. You have now completely lost your market for people buying the PS3 as a "cheap Blu-ray player". Lowering your prospective market penetration is not what you need right now, Sony. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Because they are both at the same MSRP, I wonder if the iPhone will receive this much backlash over the price... So of the two, which do you think deserves the $499/$599 price tag: the iPhone, or the PS3?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I feel the same way about the Wii and the X360 but I don't make a habit of bagging on those consoles based on that fact.
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Yes, don't forget the other great things they've given consumers like proprietary formats and rootkits!
- antifreze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7AMD and Intel regularly announce price cuts... you can predict it every 6 months at least...
Consoles just have a longer turn around period. Everyone knows that if they wait, it will go down in price.
I'm just about ready to buy a 3DO, gonna call my local Gamestop... - ChristianD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They will cut the price and long before 2009, becuase they have to. That's the only way their going to move units, which is critical to holding onto developers, which make games, that motivate people to buy systems. However, why would Sony announce that their going to cut the price; doing so would cause the few units that are selling to dwindle up and die once the word got out.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+21To "asif5th":
Instead of going story to story saying "***** Sony", try to use your brain for once and have a logical discussion about the company who brought you the one of the first Compact Discs, one of the first Tape players, Walkman, good Televisions, Spiderman (Sony pictures) I could go on.
Or maybe actually just say "PS3 Suks" like most of you fanboys do, because most likely you've used dozens of Sony's products in your life and you've liked them. - Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17this also means that if nintendo makes a price cut next year for their Wii, it will completely obliterate the PS3.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Blu-ray is finally winning over HD-DVD in sales."
Yeah but that's like saying Soy Milk is out-selling Rice Milk. Either way, the people would rather drink Dairy Milk (DVDs). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Since Ford was the first in car production and innovation we should all support a failing company?
No. They make bad decisions and most of their product is slipping.
This coming from a F150 owner. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@staticneuron
I wasn't implying that. But obviously, when something drops in price, it will tempt people to purchase it. Even lowering the price to $99 couldn't help the GameCube.
The main reason the GameCube didn't sell well was because of the massive game droughts consumers had to put up with each year. The game droughts continued for so long that the GameCube was phased out.
I don't know if you remember, but the GameCube sold surprisingly well the first few months after it's release. That didn't last for long, though. The first few months are not indicative of how well the console will sell throughout it's lifetime. Hell, even the Dreamcast sold well. But the Dreamcast also went the way of the dinosaur. There's one thing all of these consoles have in common: They sold well at first, but bad news and corporate *****-ups foreshadowed their future. I'm definitely not implying that the PS3 will fail, but I do believe that Sony needs to make changes before it does get worse. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The 360 didn't have to drop it's price. It was on the market for at least a year before the PS3 and the Wii.
Microsoft had plenty of time to fix their problems with no threat from the competition.
As a result, Microsoft managed to scoop up 8mill+ sales before the PS3 and the Wii were even on the market. It's not that big of an install base, but a head start is a head start.
If the 360 had been released this past Christmas with the PS3 and the Wii, it'd probably be in a bad spot, too. No one is denying that the 360's launch was bad. It was a terrible launch. The difference is that Microsoft wasn't competing with anyone at the time. You didn't have a choice. You either bought it or you didn't. - roxya, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If the sales figures on vgcharts.org are anything to go by, PS3 isn't doing bad at all considering it hasn't even been released in Europe.
You can wish and wish for Sony to fail all you want, but it's not happening. - Siraris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The article description is FUD. The article never mentions anything about the 360, and there's no way in hell that it will drop more than 50% in the next 2 years. In fact, it will probably go up in price with the new HDMI edition.
- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd rather pay $600 for a PS3 than $600 for an iPhone.
Personally, I think I would get more use out of the iPhone, but I can't justify that price PLUS a two year contract with Cingular. That's just *****. No amount of desire could get me to pay $600 for it.
The PS3? I can't justify $600 for a console. Yes, the PS3 has many features that justify the price, but the problem is this: I don't plan to use the majority of those features. I'm a college student, and I don't have time to watch HD movies, screw around with Linux on a PS3, or any of that other stuff; in fact, I don't even want to. I would ONLY use it for games. And as a device that would only be used for video games, $600 is too much.
Even so, I know both the PS3 and the iPhone will sell well. Both Sony and Apple have too many rabid fans with too much money to waste. Personally, I don't have enough brand loyalty to do something like that(thankfully). - jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think you nailed it. They have a great system and it's capable they just need to get the games out. I did pick up Virtual Fighter 5 and it's the best fighting game I've ever played, but they need more than the 2-3 good games currently out. It's hard to justify the PS3 purchase at $500-600 on potential. On the positive side though they do have a good line up slated for the rest of the year.
- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9@DarkJC
Shadow of the Colossus and Ico didn't exactly sell very well. Yes, they are great games, but they didn't exactly sell very well outside of Japan. They did okay.
God of War II is on the verge of being released; God of War III...is it even in development yet? My point being that there won't be any God of War on the PS3 for at least another two years.
And Gran Turismo? Gran Turismo is slowly being phased out in America and Europe by games such as Forza. Gran Turismo will probably give PS3 sales a boost, but only from die-hard GT fans who refuse to acknowledge any other racing game.
I'm not disagreeing with you; in fact, I agree. Sony does have some awesome first party titles. But they don't have enough of them, and they don't sell as many copies as say..The Legend of Zelda or Mario. - DarkJC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As other people have already said, if Sony announces that "Oh, don't worry, we're going to be cutting the price soon!" who will buy the PS3? Nobody. They'll at least get sales this way, so most people who were maybe holding out for a price cut before MGS4 will just bite the bullet and get the system.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@ GawtMilk
Common sense: Having $600 systems sit on shelves collecting dust will actually make the company lose MORE money than if they cut costs to consumers and got the systems moving. By the time they get the ball rolling and momentum starts pushing out a regular stream of PS3's the parts and technology will be getting progressively cheaper anyway. - Hobofuzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@damutt
Sony used to make good products. In recent years, however, their quality has been decreasing. I don't even buy Sony products anymore since they always break a few years later.
As others have said, past successes do not equal future success. Look at Nintendo. They were the market leader for over a decade, and Sony came in and dethroned them. Sony isn't invincible, and that's their biggest problem: They seem to think they are.
Sony used to be a respectable company. Sony is one of the reasons Japan is where it is today. The company was formed after the end of the second world war with the goal of transforming Japan into a major player in the world market, and make Japan synonymous with technology. To that length, they succeeded. However, that Sony has been dead for many years, and was replaced by a Sony that tries to force proprietary formats upon the world so they can make money through licensing fees from the artists who do the real work. Yes, Sony gave us the Compact Disc (with help from Philips, mind you). Yes, Sony gave us what can be argued was the first portable camcorder, but those days are long gone. If we all clung to successes of the past, Atari would still be around and making video game consoles!
Put simply, Sony just isn't like it used to be. They've lost sight of their amazing spirit that made Japan what it is today. I, and many others, have lost respect for them.
It's not necessarily that we want Sony to fail, or the PS3 to fail; from what I've noticed, people want Sony to learn from their mistakes and go back to being the company it once was. - spiderfish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3jacksons98: don't feed the troll
- Sparkster185, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Downloading Blu-Ray movies doesn't seem like something that will catch on.
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