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- KarateExplosion, on 10/12/2007, -14/+185It's Sony.. what they can't beat, they copy.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -14/+89We should also expect to see the "amazing" new "MSMotion 360" controller within the next year. Microsoft is never one to see a good idea go unstolen.
"The Freedom to Innovate." - J3yrad, on 10/12/2007, -11/+68This is pretty much what Nintendo wanted. Like they said, they were reinventing gaming.
But, it's also to be expected from Sony. - distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -17/+70Uh, no, it says it was approved on November 30th.
Scroll down a little bit and you'll see:
Serial No.: 139254
Series Code: 11
Filed: May 27, 2005
You can digg me back up now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+60sony copied the SNES control scheme, the Analog stick, and rumble technology, you blistering idiot.
- latova, on 10/12/2007, -18/+64@Quix: Actually their xbox division has been really innovative with the xbox live portion. It's only the windows and zune divisions which are a complete joke.
- Cougaboy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+42Edit: My mistake, the patent says it was filed May 27, 2005, as pointed out by WhereAmI below me.
Dstrbnce isn't wrong here. Bury my above comment. - JWallsID6999, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39Sony's political system: You have two cows. Steal Nintendo's bull.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -10/+35"Serial No.: 139254
Series Code: 11
Filed: May 27, 2005"
Why is he getting dugg down. It was filed a long time ago.
Edit Augh, crap. You beat me to your own rescue. - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Keywords: was shown to us
Do you think Nintendo decided the Tuesday before the Wii Remote was shown and then had one made up the day they actually showed it to the public? Of course not. It had been in development for some amount of time before that making sure the technology was feasible to make and could actually work for gaming.
So what does that patent date mean? That Sony simply filed a patent and more than likely did not do that to copy Nintendo. Of course you should also realize that anytime a company has any kind of bright idea, they patent it as soon as possible.
A little off topic, but does this apply to the Sixaxis? Yes and no. Yeah, Sony had been thinking about motion controls for a while, but really didn't plan on implementing until they saw Nintendo doing it and realized people were actually excited about it. The Sixaxis really was developed at the last minute (find a developer and ask them) because Sony wanted to cash in on some of Nintendo's flair. - WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18well, the patent:
http://tinyurl.com/y2xyso
was applied for on:
Filed: May 27, 2005
And the recent date is:
November 30, 2006
So therefore, they were probably going to see the patent being granted, and then started to work.
Expect to seen it a little quicker than you would think. - aurath, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29@knaps. While I agree with you, your clearly an ass. dugg down.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19@Quix:
The difference is that Microsoft has toyed with this kind of idea before, and also the games division of Microsoft, at least, actually cares about their products. Unfortunately, the whole of Sony is similar to the rest of Microsoft in that 'games = money' and nothing else.
Fortunately, as Nintendo's efforts and comments over the past year have shown, simply making the hardware won't work. It takes a lot of effort and a lot of care to get the Wiimote to function satisfactorily, and care is something that I think that Sony is completely incapable of when it comes to their products. - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Yeah, but that's also what market competition is about. The consumer wins in the end, by getting more products to choose from.
We could yell about AMD having its roots as a maker of knock-off imitations of Intel chips. We could yell about VHS being an imitator of betamax. We could yell about GM hybrids being a knee-jerk attempt to imitate of Honda and Toyota.
But as consumers, isn't competition a good thing? Suppose Nintendo got so comfortable with its success that it didn't bother to improve the Wiimote interface? If Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo keep the pressure on each other with constant new feature advancements, then videogames will progress much more rapidly.
Hey, I'll give credit to Nintendo for seeing something the other guys didn't see and bringing it to the marketplace. It's opened up a whole new dimension or direction for gaming to go in, rather than just better graphics and processing power in the same old knee-jerk way. But now let's see competition in this new direction too, so that the feature set will advance ever more quickly. Then we can soon have improvements that may even make the Wiimote look old-fashioned.
I can't wait for players like In2Games ( www.in2games.co.uk ) to get their motion controller systems more available in the marketplace, since they even work with PCs. I hope that all these PC hardware manufacturers are noticing the big $ale$ $ucce$$ of Wii, so that they'll quickly bring their own competing products to market.
So Nintendo is great -- today. But let's always keep looking forward, so that we can leave today behind. - optimus_maximus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22I HATE SONY. From MiniDisc to the stupid memory sticks for my T1 (I have a pile of CF and SD cards that I can't use for it), I'm sick of them copying or monopolizing things. They need to learn to innovate and play along.
(But I really like my HDR-FX1) - dcatts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@cvh™
Jobs was ripping off Picasso when he said that. - vhold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10'A receiver portion including one or more sensor units located in or near the target area." This sounds like a sensor bar!"'
Actually, no it doesn't. The sensor bar receives nothing. It has two infrared blinking lights, that's it, the wiimote receives it. - chillin411, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Nintendo has stated that they are profiting on the Wii already - it's not a loss leader for them. It doesn't really change too much, but it's worth pointing out.
Source - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060915-7752.html - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14It's funny how stupid some people look because they're attacking Sony with the usual stuff we hear with posts like this even though the patent was made long before the Wiimote was revealed.
This digg is worth it for the smug, uninformed responses alone. - drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Nintendos patent for a motion device was filed in 1999
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=nintendo&OS=nintendo&RS=nintendo - scbysnx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@latova and quix .. so shall we be calling out apple for copying xerox as well? what about apple apparently planning on releasing a tablet? or what about Nintendo for copying gyrations idea? .. stfu
- Namco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I love the sixaxis controller... back when it was called the Logitech Wingman Gamepad Extreme.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9the controller can save the console. if you look at it, every time a console has a second controller added later in it's life that wasn't directly compatible with it's predecessor, the controller failed. the reason everyone liked duckhunt, ddr, congo bongo, and the like was due to the fact that they controller came with the game, or people were already hooked on the idea from the arcade. the fact that the sixaxis is already the ps3's controller means that even if they were to make a 100% wiimote ripoff, only in black, the programmers wouldn't be likely to use it since it didn't come with the system. why program for a controller people have to seek out and get when you can program for the one everyone will have anyway?
- Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The patent does not apply to the Nintendo Wii.
The patent:
- Sender is used as the pointing device ( = the remote)
- Sender send some light towards the target area, where a receiver picks it up
As we know, the Wiimote works the other way round. The sensor bar does not pick up information sent by the WIimote, it sends IR in a differential GPS kind of way. - biochem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually for all you people who didnt bother to read the whole thing, It is significantly different than anything out there right now. Even the wii. Infact they even describe all the other devices out there, including the wii, in their description under section [0006]
Think of this patent as more of shooting a laser pointer at a tv and the sensors placed around the tv pick up the exact location of it. - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"The wii must stand up on its games in order to win this console battle."
So must the Xbox360 and PS3, flashy graphics don't count worth a damn if the game has no gameplay, or is a rehash of the same drivel 8 years running. - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I agree that a lot of the people are too excited to read bad news about the PS3 that they don't bother looking at the patent date, but Sony gives good reasons to make people believe that the patent was filed trying to copy the Wii remote.
Even though Sony did have that patent, their Sixaxis controller was tacked on very late in development only because they didn't want Nintendo to be the only motion sensitive console, and it does show the controller was in fact tacked on and not done very well at all. The easiest was to tell this is to just look at the controller. If it was made for motion controlers, it would actually feel right with all of its motion controls and have been designed for that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nintendo innovation -
Light gun
Robot
Action pad
Glove
Year -
1986 - jezzball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5gyros?
i love gyros! - mercano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Is the DDR pad any different really then the pad you used for Track & Field on the NES?
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -0/+4the problem is that this can easily be argued that it covers basic IR remotes that have been in every single household since the 80s.
but even the director of the patent office has said that stupid patents will be granted left and right because they just don't have the time or the money to process patents, and the application load is getting larger faster than they can knock it down. the average patent is only reviewed at the PTO for 8 hours total (that is usually spread across years), and this includes prior art research.
the PTO just grants weapons to go to court with. thats why you see stupid patents (like "a method of painting with the posterior of a child") and multiple patents covering the exact same technology (i cant really say for various reasons, but this is incredibly rampant with software related patents). - randomguy0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"This entire thread is pointless."
And you just responded to and help a thread you think is pointless.
Good job. (/sarcasm) - aschocobo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13it won't fly. assuming Sony actually gets this going, depending on how long it takes them to go from patent to actual retail product, it will be seen as an add on. and we all know how well those tend to do.
if the are going to brush the dust off of this ancient patent and put it to use, they'd better do it quickly, before people are so settled in their ps3/other console purchases to be motivated to buy anything else beyond necessary replacements and games. - distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Okay, First of all, you can't sue someone for filing for a patent.
That's retarded.
Second, Sony has been granted the patent, so it obviously wasn't a copy of anything else.
For the love of ***** these are some of the stupidest comments I've ever read. - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Just look to the recent success of the DS to find your answer. Nintendo's already innovating with great games.
- DrakeGTA, on 10/12/2007, -17/+21@WhereAmI Do you really think Sony doesn't have spies that work at Nintendo?
- distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Wow, you guys are all making completely obvious, boring observations.
This entire thread is pointless. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18Yes yes, we all hate sony. BUT think about it. Unreal Tournament 2007, call of duty 3, with a real gun that you can point and kill people with. This will be the killer app for consoles to lure people off of pc gaming.
Be honest, would you rather play call of duty 3 on:
A PS3 - 1920x1080, with a controller shaped like a gun
OR
A wii - 720x480, with a wiimote - lostmongoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If I'm not mistaken, DDR and it's clones were arcade games first. So no, they didn't first show up on the PS.
- endyminion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3except that gyration mouses are a completely different technology and use crazy amounts of battery power.
I still think if nintendo wants to do something really cool with the wiimote, they need to use gyration to mimic the inertial force one would feel if actually holding the object they are simulating... - scbysnx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4just to cover my bases here.. I understand that apple had the newton.. so don't wine about that.. and on that note.. what about palm for copying the newton?
- lostmongoose, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5And you're any better?
- Edrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually distr, Nintendo had been working with Sony to release a CD add-on for the SNES. The SNES control scheme had already been out for years, and Sony did copy it; the first Playstations came with non-analog controllers, just a D-pad, four buttons and shoulder triggers.
http://www.vidgame.net/SONY/psx.htm - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't jump to conclusions, there's no indication this has anything to do with a game device at all. The patent mentions the possibility of integration with a display. It could just as well be a feature of a future Sony TV.
Companies, especially as large as Sony, regularly apply for patents for technologies they have no intention of ever developing. - aarrgus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yea... especially considering half the topic didn't already specifically talk about how it was filed in 2005.
- distrbnce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, a more accurate title would be "Filed and Approved for Patent..."
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why would they? Nintendo didn't develop or patent any of the motion or pointer sensing technology in their controller. They license it from third-party companies.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"They should have used HD-DVD instead of BLU-RAY"
But how else are Sony going to give Blu-Ray even the slightest chance of getting anywhere, otherwise? - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Look again. That's a Microsoft patent.
- Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2jezzball, you fail at sarcasm... plus it's 21 year old technology.
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