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- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+84Phil Harrison's dual identity is the superhero Captain Obvious.
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+82Wasn't honesty from Sony one of the signs of the end of the world?
- Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49Curious, if you think about it, do you REALLY want HD porn?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+45"we have overreached in production of the Blu-Ray component - I can't deny that" "But that's the price you pay for adopting brand new, leading-edge technologies that will be future proof. We will resolve those issues - we are already catching up."
He says they overreached in production, not in using BluRay. He lists the advantages of using BluRay and never says that using it was a mistake, just counting on more production that became available (thus leading to the delay of the European launch).
Marked as inaccurate. - Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36When a companies PR guys admit a mistake was made you KNOW it wasn't a small mistake.
- lunarworks, on 10/12/2007, -10/+40PhantomRogue: "People would RATHER pay 400 now and then 200 for an upgrade, than shell out the 600 all at once."
*****. 30 years of gaming history will tell you this.
How many people ever upgrade their game console? Virtually none.
This is why the Sega CD bombed, why the 32x bombed, why the PS2 HDD bombed, and why every other notable console add-on bombed. If it doesn't come WITH the system from day-one, its chances for success are negligable, developers will mostly ignore it, and you're left with a lump of expensive-but-useless upgrade kit. - WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42well no *****, we all know this. Sony wanted Blu-Ray. They had to have Blu-Ray. They have Blu-Ray. Their games use Blu-Ray. Deal with it.
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37well with porn backing blu-ray there will be alot of shady people in bb asking for the cheapest blu-ray player, the PS3.
haha little johnny finds a "new" PS3 game under his parents bed. - matth1jd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27@ZenMojo -- Sony didn't invent the DVD. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD, Philips and Sony dropped their format for Toshiba's format.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Phil Harrison isn't just a Sony PR drone. He's the corporate executive and representative director of Sony Computer Entertainment and Executive Vice President of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe.
It's a MUCH bigger deal when he admits that they pushed it a bit far when they made the PS3 require Blu-ray. - Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24It seems to me like the decision to include Blu-Ray came pretty high up in the company. They're betting a lot on winning the next gen format war and icluding it in the PS3 is a sure way to get it into millions of homes. All of this talk on how BR is necessary for next gen gaming is just trying to make people think they need it.
- LightsOut06, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23it's inaccurate because the headline is taking what he said out of context and distorting what he was saying.
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@ pumacub:
no he's right. The article has an anti-sony slant from the poster. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Future proof? *laf* If Blu-Ray is accepted as a replacement for DVD, it will be about as future proof as 8-tracks. Everyone says their next big thing is future proof. Until their NEXT next big thing comes out.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17"How many people ever upgrade their game console? Virtually none."
I seem to recall that the *only* successful console upgrade in the history of gaming ever was the 4MB RAM upgrade for the N64. And even then because you needed it for Majora's Mask, Donkey Kong and Perfect Dark.
When you saw how shiny PD's level could be, it was like getting a whole new console. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13You guys need to take an English class. Harrison is saying that they overreached in PRODUCTION - as in they thought they could produce more than they actually can, to this point. However, everyone here is taking that as him saying "Blu-Ray was a mistake to include" - which he did not say and certainly would deny.
Blu-Ray inclusion is a no-lose for Sony. If it fails as the next movie format, it will in no way affect the PS3's gaming capabilities, and be a push. If it wins out, it will be a financial boon for them. - bigfkncee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@ saahmed
Faces?????????? lmao - SkyPirate, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23ahh the "beta max of the future"
http://diggpolls.blogspot.com/2006/11/sonys-blu-ray-discs.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13great, i finally get to see the pores on jenna jamesons warheads
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'm not saying it's future proof. I'm just quoting Phil. He lists the positives (in his mind) of BluRay. The only downside to him is the production quantities, not the idea of inclusion itself.
Admitting a mistake was made? The mistake could be as simple as stating there would be a worldwide launch and then backing off on Europe.
I do not believe Sony execs feel that using PS3 to launch BluRay is a mistake in and of itself. If successful, BluRay will line Sony's coffers with license fees for years to come. - Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This reminds me of when the PS2 came out, they had to have DVD, but people didn't really even use it at first. The first batch of games was just CDs.
- crombenevolant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Classic design by committee....
The Sony pictures and CES wanted Blu Ray to push the proprietary format that they hope to make tons on.
The Sony music and pictures guys wanted the new HDMI plus maximum DRM effect (thus the tie in with Blu Ray).
The marketing guys wanted to claim they had the biggest baddest console ever, thus an all new processor plus every gimmick that any competitors thought of.
The gaming people wanted to try and keep the PS exclusives so kept the development environment unique and non friendly with the other consoles. (Albeit their slowness to market caused stalwarts such as Square Enix to start releasing on all consoles).
Bottom line is a bunch of execs - crombenevolant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If Sony was smart they would have built a roughly comparable console to the 360, and sold it for 2-300 dollars. Even if it was not the most powerfull game console ever, the price point alone would have allowed them to slaughter Microsoft, and they could have been to market a year ago. A year or so for now they could release a PS4 with Blu Ray and all the whizz bang stuff after all the bugs and kinks are worked out.
As it stands, if there are any issues with these consoles (Blu Ray drives dying, HDMI incompatibilities, over heating, etc). They will be crucified in the court of public opinion. - saahmed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10You DO NOT want porn in HD. Do you know what the chicks who do these videos are like? They are usually pretty nasty. You dont want to see their faces in that much detail.
- keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6the bottom line is come launch day there will be about 400,000 blu-ray players installed in US homes. I seriously doubt they've even sold 50,000 HD-DVD players.
- fohat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think the "overreached" part is due to the shortage of blue laser diodes, hence it is the drive most likely that is causing the delay http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-delays-due-to-blue-laser-shortage/
- chris4404, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Historically the format Adult Entertainment picks is what consumers pick, look at DVD.
- general13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Personally, I think Sony should've stuck to one thing - making a sweet console, but without all the gimmicks (the controller, obviously more than a *little* similar to the Wii's, and the Blu-Ray, possibly).
If you make a device that does *everything*, then it usually doesn't do anything remarkably well. Although the PS3 is a superb piece of equipment, I think Sony shot a little too far, esp. in price. It's not hard to make a console to beat the 360...just like the iPod - maybe not the most *technically* superior MP3 player out there, but it's the easiest and most fun to use, so everyone does.
Doesn't matter if the PS3 can launch missiles from outer orbit and calculate the value of Pi to five billion decimal places - if it's not fun (and economically feasible) for people...it won't do very well.
Just my .2c - WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6they were co creators of Blu-Ray.
Also some major companies back Blu-Ray. Disney, for one is a major backer. Then theres porn(see above conversations). Then there is Pioneer, which is a great company, on this bandwagon. - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Duh, that was long obvious to everyone. What's next? SCO admits that their lawsuit is just a little bogus? 3D Realms admits that Duke Nukem Forever might not be coming out this Christmas season? (or the one after that, or ...)
- RandomSkratch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ WhereAmI
No kidding eh. I loved this quote in the article
"But that's the price you pay for adopting brand new, leading-edge technologies that will be future proof."
Future proof? Do you have proof that this will be indeed, "future proof"? I think not. - cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Blue Ray, cell processor, motion sensing controller thrown in, crappy online service implementation.... Blue Ray isn't the only thing they overreached on.
- markingtime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And Even so What Will People Buy to watch in thier PS3's?..... DVD
Half the people who buy the console wont even care that theres bluray. - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Future proof? I love that term. You think Sony won't be releasing a new console in the next 5 years?
- agentbad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think the decision to use Blu-ray was a good choice as far as the business goes. It will force a new standard when people buy the PS3 maybe making it more popular than HD-DVD. Also using Blu-ray technology could make it harder or at least take longer for hackers to make copies of games that will play on the PS3. A Blu-ray burner is way out of most peoples price range at the moment so this could insure a steady profit on games for a while.
Sony has tried to make their own media formats in the past with minimal success ie. minidisc, UMD, sony memory sticks. However, I think this one might actually take hold and I guess this is the price I have to pay to play metal gear 4. - Graphice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From an old gamer. For me this is all very exciting. From the moment I heard about the new systems a few years ago, I started saving for a new TV to take advantage of the new systems capabilities. I honestly think both systems have a lot offer. If you want cohesive online community, ease of use of getting online and gaming with your friends. Also instant access to lots of demos with a large catalogue of cheap xbox live arcade games that your wife will like then the 360 is for you. Microsoft has been perfecting their online component for years and it shows. Sony has a long way to catch up leaving it up to the developers to do their part is a mistake.
Now if you want to browse the internet from your ps3 ( Demo on gamespot ) watch / listen to different types of media. Use off the shelf drives to increase disc space, or should I say if you want a true media hub then I think Sony has one up on Microsoft.
I ending up buying a 360 it was a very tough choice for me.. Factors for me were price, and gaming experience with friends. I took a gamble in believing Blue Ray will not take off. I also think that the graphics will be only slightly better on the PSIII not a huge differences that sony was trying to push. Another factor for me the system has a nice catalog of games that I can play now.
I had a PS2, I had no intention of getting a 360. Most of my buddies concern is the price, also most of them have a PSII, I have two friends that are opting for the PSIII, the rest have have no intentions of getting a PSIII, they have converted to the 360, and a few are getting the Wii. - Graphice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Cannfodd3r I think you are spot on.
The difference between VHS and DVD was really noticeable and the additional features that DVD provided were great. It was a no brainer that DVDs become main stream. Plus when the PSII came out there was already a large catalogue of DVD's. The difference between DVD and HD-DVD , Blu-Ray is not big enough to warrant spending a lot of cash for a slightly improved picture. Plus there is not a huge catalog of Films on those new formats yet.. - Cannfodd3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone else think the whole HD-DVD vs Blu-ray thing just reeks of DVD Audio vs SACD? I mean, with HDTV penetration numbers what they are in the US, combined with the incredible number of DVD's sold over the last 10 years, I just don't see Joe Public (ie: the majority of people who don't check out sites like this one) buying into the "need" for this new format.
Simply put, I think for most people (even for those that can actually tell the difference between an HD and non-HD DVD source given the hardware they're viewing it on), people aren't going to bother rebuying all the movies they already have on DVD.
Where does that leave these 2 new formats? Same place as SACD and DVDA. High end formats for videophiles (in this case) until digital distribution of the same content becomes a reality. - Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Companies backing Blu-ray really doesn't mean too much. In reality they can switch camps very quickly and easily if they see one format doing better.
- sdwilly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@GuruBoy,
Didn't I see Samsung is working on a dual player (HD-DVD and BR)? Not that it changes your post but I just remember hearing something about it. - cell00, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12Lunarworks: Psst, Amazon's 360 HD-DVD addon preorder sold out.
- PhantomRogue, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10@lunarworks
The systems you listed failed becuase of Lack of Support. The PS2 HDD was made for ONE game, which came with the game (only reason I have the PS2 HDD). If Guitar Hero was made to handle HDD support, maybe create and store yer own Riffs, then you bet your sweet ass the HDD would be in every PS2. Its all about support.
But back to my point, People will embrace the 360 cause it 'costs less', when it infact, costs more when you add in all the bells and whistles that the PS3 comes with. Thats the only thing Sony 'overreached' on, was the gullibility of the Parents of the Gamers who will spend 400 for the 360, then 200 for the HD-DVD, but balk at the 650 pricetag on the PS3. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"sony implementing blu-ray to the ps3 is as i c it a way to get people addicted to the new technology"
We saw how well that worked for their "Universal" Media Discs. Nothing other than the PSP uses them. Not even other Sony products..
I fear blu-ray becoming a PS3 exclusive. - crombenevolant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You claim it is too late for companies to switch camps but Warner Bros, Disney, Paramount, hbo, and New-line. Have all announced support for the format. Several of those (ie Disney and Warner) used to be solely in the Blu Ray camp. Bottom line is the studios will go to whichever format sells more, and right now that is HD....
- NewPunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is a prime example of being on the bleeding edge of technology. Blu-ray in the PS3 was not a good decision and it will cost Sony more than it will help them earn, even in the long run. I think they just wanted to show off and to promote Blu-ray as the new HD format.
- ejp1082, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The winner? Standard DVD, which consumers will use long into the future because they're cheaper, more convenient, not part of a format war, and look brilliant on HDTV's, robbing these new formats of most of their steam.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2There's something that everyone seems to be forgetting.
On November 17th there is going to be 400,000 blu-ray players installed in American homes with more trickling out shortly. Even if the people don't know it when they walk into Blockbuster:
"Blu-ray, wasn't that what was on the side of my PS3 box?"
I'd say it was probably their best bet to get blu-ray into homes honestly. The price sucks, but its a hell of a market penetration. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4It's obvious to everyone, but when Phil Harrison admits it, it should give him and Sony more credibility. Until now PS3-haters have been saying Sony won't admit all these "bad" things about the PS3...this is a good thing guys.
You've got to be kidding me when you say there's no difference between:
Sony, Panasonic, LG, Dell, Pioneer, Primera, and Samsung for Blu-Ray players
against
Microsoft (XBox only so far), Toshiba, and Samsung for HD-DVD players
along with:
Dell's support for Blu-Ray (there are plans for a player and confirmations of hardware implementation into Dell PCs)
Primera support for printable BD media
SUN joining the Blu-Ray board of directors
Twentieth Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Disney, Buena Vista, and Lionsgate for BD-only studio support
against
Universal for HD-DVD-only studio support
You're going to have to say something other than "it doesn't mean too much." And no, they can't just "switch camps"...it's way too late in the game for that. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. - ComputerDudes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My kids love their PS2. But between the price and the DRM crap that Sony pulled last year, they will not get a PS3. I have not purchased a Sony product (other than PS2 games) in 12 months. They lost my business for sure with the DRM they put on their music CDs.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Well, let's not split hairs. There is NO doubt that blu-ray is MORE future proofed than HD-DVD by virtue of the additional capacity. Only a retard could argue against that.
Oh, and inflamatory post marked innacurate BTW. -
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