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- chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -33/+90Lagging sales? Dying console in Japan? And you are talking about the PS3? If any console should be declared dead based on lagging Japan sales it should be the 360.
In Japan, the PS3 sold 2.5x more consoles in 2 months than the 360 did in 14 months!
In the US the PS3 sold 80,000 more in its first 2 months than the 360 did in its first 2 months.
So if these lagging sales (a common occurrence after the holiday season) and price cuts (which will cause more sales and counter lagging sales) mean the console is dying, explain why the 360 is still alive. It did worse in both the US and Japan and is still kicking.
The 360 is doing just fine and had a rockier start than the PS3. So don't declare the PS3 dead just because you want it to be.
http://vgcharts.com/page5.html - Korexz, on 10/12/2007, -44/+93Listen carefully kids. That is the sound of a dying console.
So young, so full of potential (read crap technology that gamers DO NOT NEED)
Someone get started on the gaming console tombstone!
Something to the affect of :
"Killed by Arrogance" - PrincessZelda, on 10/12/2007, -35/+79Stupid Nintendo FANBOYS! The PS3 is OBVIOUSLY dropping their price because Sony has ALWAYS looked after the consumer first
[/troll] - aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Not a price drop, just a promotion by Don Quijote; a retailer that take pride for cheap prices (kinda like a Japanese Wal-mart). They also have only a limited number of 20GB units at the 20% sale (similar to those $250 laptops Bestbuy had on Thanksgiving, its designed to get foot traffic into the stores). I checked out the Don Quijote in Shibuya and Akiba are all out of the promotional PS3s, but they are more then happy to sell you ones at full price.
- NOAMattD, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19De-spamblogged:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/japanese-stores-slashing-20gb-prices-230297.php - chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23@Simon
Yea, I am a fan of Final Fantasy, thanks for noticing. But the series is also multi platform, I am looking forward to the new DS games. So don't think you can infer so much from me just by my name (which for your info was created during the FF6 era).
I'm just trying to point out that all the people claiming the PS3 is dead/dying are very silent when the 360 is/was doing much worse. I also said the 360 is a fine system but I guess you ignored that part too. - CoffeeRider, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Resistance Fall of Man and Blazing Angels are both good games. I also just played the GTHD demo and the Motorstorm demo (both sweet). Linux is looking really promising and there are already a ton of blueray movies.
The xbox360 would have cost me 600 to play DVD-HDs and games. The PS3 only cost 500.
Give it a few more months. - DefiantGSR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Do you even know what you're talking about!??! Do you ever visit AVSforum.com??
PS3 bluray quality is at the top with the best blu-ray players out there and it also has HDMI 1.3 to boot.
Stop talking out of your ass. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -15/+23I've already stated this in another article, but it's a different situation now.
Yes, the 360 did worse at launch than the PS3 did, but the 360 had NO COMPETITION. The PS3's current performance(and Sony's, for that matter) is being compared to their competitors current performance. Consumers aren't going to compare the first month of one console to the first month of a competitors console. Especially not if the second console launched a year after the first. Consumers, and most other logical people, for that matter, are going to compare the consoles in the present.
The world isn't going to freeze frame while Sony gets more PS3s out there. Daily life won't go in slow motion so that developers can finish up their triple-A titles sooner. The world isn't going to stop spinning long enough for Sony to lower the manufacturing costs of the PS3.
The main point of my comment is this:
Stop ***** comparing consoles in such a stupid, illogical way. Your arguments would make sense had both consoles launched at the same time, under the same circumstances. 360 sales may have been slow initially, but they now sell extremely well. The Wii has been selling well from day 1. And the PS3? It's been selling at a somewhat constant rate. Yes, in the same time frame, the PS3 is doing better than the 360, but guess what? Even if Sony continues to do better than Microsoft did in the same time frame, they're still falling behind. In fact, even if the PS3 continued to sell at the pace it's selling now, it'd remain in third place, and it would (technically) be considered the "losing" console. - 13tongimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The "Price Drop" is actually a sale at two stores in Japan. This is totally not accurate.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15They also conveniently overlook the excellent PS2 sales and the fact that the PS3 is currently the fastest selling Playstation for it's age.
They also complain that not enough PS3s were manufactured and now they complain that it's actually available. See the pattern? Yes, they are retarded trolls. - slimthps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7no.
- fallenone05, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8wow, doesn't take much to amuse you...I envy you
- StateofMind09, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Kotaku is a joke.
"In Japan, the PS3 sold 2.5x more consoles in 2 months than the 360 did in 14 months!
In the US the PS3 sold 80,000 more in its first 2 months than the 360 did in its first 2 months."
No matter how many times you bother posting factual information, their fanboyish ideals (Playstation dies- bad for the industry too btw) will overshadow it until the PS3 turns around and slaps them all in the face just like the PS2 did. - 1mabu77fac3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15i own a ps3, and i really like it. nothing i read on digg compares to my experience, its been nothing but positive so far.
- krische, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I dunno, I wouldn't completely rule that out. I mean they did solve the manufacturing issue with blu-ray. So now it might be cheaper to manufacture blu-ray drives, those meaning they could lower the price of the ps3.
- Dhalsim007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6OK....nice that they are being priced-down....WHEN THE HECK ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO STORES IN PA.? I STILL haven't seen a PS3 or Wii in stock EVER! here in the Harrisburg-Lancaster area. SHIP YOUR EXTRA STOCK TO US!!! WE WANT PS3s!!!!
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Listen carefully kids. That is the sound of a dying console."
And this "dying console" still outsold the XBox 360 by 3x in Japan... on the PS3's worse week of sales yet.
-Pie - jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -21/+27@SimonX314
Clearly you like to ignore the facts. Taking out the normal Kotaku spin. How is a store in Japan having a sale on 20gb PS3's negative? Doesn't sound negative at all. It sounds like what customers have been asking for. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"they should have gone into a partnership with Nintendo when they had a chance..."
You mean that partnership that could have been before they went on to sell over 210,000,000 consoles and counting?? Yeah, they must be kicking themselves, troll. - beggersfunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is absolutely true. I went to a department store called Seiyu few days ago and i was surprised they cut it off 10,000 yen on a 60GB P.S 3.
- krische, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I dunno, I went to Shopko in Watertown, WI (pretty much a hick town) last week, and they had more Wii's than PS3's. 5 Wii's, and 0 20GB and 1 60GB ps3.
- dolby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sony has a history of holding back and then letting the cat out of the bag. Experts are already predicting that High Def DVD will replace DVD by 2010 and Sony can sit back and watch as Systems roll out slowly and then pick up speed as games and movies are released. People who say no one really cares about blu ray then they personally dont have money or a HDTV because Blu-ray is a big deal if you have a HDTV if you have invested in a HD set but dont have a HD signal your tv is just a wide screen SDTV. Most cable providers have between 20-30 stations and directv has 60-100 but movies still look like crap on a hd set. As for the wii it is kind of fun until you sweat yourself to death. But as more and more people buy hdtv's (20 million expected this year alone) the will with gamecube graphics will look terrible. This is a marathon not a race and dont compare systems or sales during the first 100 days. PS2 sold 60 million units after the 3rd year alone.
- horanghee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Silence!!! Seriously though, a coworker has a ps3 and his only complaint is that most of us don't have one so he can't play online with us. Several of us do have xbox360 and gears of war, so he has to hear about that every once in a while.
- StateofMind09, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@MouseCircus
"Listen carefully kids. That is the sound of a dying console."
Considering how highly he was dugg, someone is obviously "saying the PS3 is going the way of the Dreamcast". I don't get what you're missing here, how is comparing console launches not a logical thing to do? The PS3, given its availability and time on the market, is doing better than the 360 when it was in the same, or better shoes. How that is an irrelevant fact to you just surpasses me. I guess what you've got wrong is that the 360 has NOT gotten into the home of every or even most of next-gen buyers. The 360 has an installed base of less than 10,000,000. The PS2 alone sold over 100,000,000 last generation. That leaves a whole lot of room to catch up, and given the fact that the PS3 is off to a better start than the 360, and has a larger base (PS2 vs. Xbox) it is anything but on the verge of dying. Disregarding things like this is simply ignorance. - topbravo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4AVS is the supreme format for Home theater equipment. They subjected the PS3 to a barrage of test and the PS3 out performed in every category to current Blu-Ray players. They said for the money (500) its out performing 1000 dollar players.
Blu-Ray is here to stay whether you like it or not. The PS3 will bolster sales as well as PCs adopting the players. We now have HD camcorders with no way of efficiently displaying the movies. Blu-Ray has the support of Apple, Sony, and Dell and a little company called Alien Ware... - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"The game always seems like it's in slow motion"
That's because you keep driving off the cliffs. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"they should have gone into a partnership with Nintendo when they had a chance..."
Actually, they did - the PlayStation was the original name for the aborted SNES CD-ROM add on, until Hiroshi Yamauchi pulled the rug out from under Sony and got into bed with Philips instead. The PlayStation brand you and I know today is Sony's revenge on Nintendo, and as much as I like to see Nintendo do well, they truly did get what they deserved. - googzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Marked as Innacurate since:
* it only is one store.
* only applies to 20GB model.
* article by cockatu. - sdwilly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not sure where people are seeing them actually, not readily available in the Bay Area anyway.. (At least from what I've seen)..
Checked Best Buy and Circuit City online as well, sold out..
I see that Walmart still has them online but they make you get that 900+ Bundle setup..
Oh well, come March or so if there are some games that I'm interested in I might break down and get one. - topbravo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My experience has been nothing but great as well... My only complaint is lack of upscaling on the ps2 games.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8And in other news in a desperate bid to shift XBOX360 units, Amazon dropped the price to $100US. That must be an act of sheer desperation, proving that nobody buys the 360.
Yeah, trolls, see the formula? - alx242, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@u2wedge:
Well the thing is Sony mostly try to outperform and stay future-proof. This is why the console includes so much extras (cell processor with 7 cores, blu-ray, hdmi, exchangeable hard-drive...etc...). When you say there is a lack of content for the console this is true but it will not stay true. This is what is called thinking ahead. It was the same deal when the PS2 was released and people was bashing on it. Nothing is of course a given but already MS is talking about releasing a new console with HDMI and they are selling their HD-player sepratly. Now think ahead...what would you rather like, all these features already included or buy extras for each and everyone of them? Once again, it's called future-proof and that is why it's priced so highly.
Btw, you didn't notice the logo change? I did. - DefiantGSR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well, everyone at AVSforum, including me, disagrees with you.
- Cowtastic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Be careful before proceeding [rant]
Alright, heres my take on the whole situation:
1) I have a PS3, I am an early adopter because I was pissed off at how short the PS2 controller cables are as I can easily sit in my comp chair and play xbox with cable to spare. The wireless is just a nice thing to have; I'm perfectly fine with out force feedback while playing the large amount of PS and PS2 games I still have yet to beat.
2) I still haven't used the blu-ray player feature yet, as bd movies weren't a selling point for me, only the fact that games would have much higher capacities (MGS4 needs a 50 gb disc).
3) I probably won't get a 360 for awhile because a) I just spent 600 on a ps3, and b) Directx 10 seems like it will blur the line between pc and 360 (if it works on the 360, it will work on the pc)
4) DO NOT buy a PS3 right now unless you enjoy seeing something progress from the beginning (like me), I only have Resistance as I believe it is the only game worth 60 right now. Wait till Motorstorm, Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Coded Arms, MGS4, Rainbow Six Vegas, or whatever you feel you will like the most comes out.
5) Last time I checked, I don't have to pay for online service; however limited it may be right now, I have faith that Sony can pull through...... no laughing ;p
meh, jus mah 2c
[/rant] - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Well, since the PS3 is normally compared to nothing but the 360, and since normally, people only compare the newer consoles to each other, yes. I did entirely ignore the PS2, Xbox, and the GameCube. What, do you want me to compare it to the DS and the PSP, too?
Anyway, to clarify my point in my first post:
No one is saying that the PS3 is going to go the way of the Dreamcast. What people are saying is that it won't be the top dog again. That's all that's being said. Everyone knows Sony obviously has enough money to keep the PS3 alive as long as they want to, but that doesn't mean it's going to do spectacular in terms of sales. I don't know why you guys are so defensive about this. Is it so terrible being last place that all of you have to be so mean and ignorant in your comments? You didn't see us Xbox/GCN fans acting that way last generation.
Judging by the fact that I was dugg down, I'm assuming most of you disagree. Oh, well. Can someone please explain to me the logic behind comparing the launch of one console to the launch of another? Just because the PS3 had a much better launch than the 360 does not mean the PS3 will magically catch up with the 360 in terms of sales. - Space_Balls, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Seeing how according to other posters the PS3 is outselling the Xbox 360 when compared to time since release, it means that Sony is just able to put a lot more on the market, thus exceeding demand. Also, the European launch is coming up, so I would expect a lot less shipments coming to the US for a month or two once it's released in March.
- topbravo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Amen...
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@MouseCircus
Sorry, but you are a goddamn idiot. You can't choose what is deemed in competition or otherwise. The PS2 is as much a competitor to the XBOX360 as the Wii is a competitor to the PS3.
Do I really need to explain why to you? Are you really that ignorant? - topbravo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3mine got the 3 red leds of death... The towel trick sadly did not work.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"I AM NOT BIASED to any system... I don't own either next gen consoles, but this is a clear sign that Sony is doing anything and EVERYTHING to boost sales for their CRAP system."
Whoa, what? Let's take a look at that again. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yeah...because seeing how much is in stock, without knowing how much they get shipped and put out really means a lot.
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually the title should read: Don Quijote Japanese retailer has promotion - 20% off PS3's (good while supplies last, limit 1 per customer)
@Fanboyssux I don't sleep I'm insane. Thanks for noticing. :) - ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Now let me get this straight. A anti-Sony website (Gamedrift) is reporting information from a anti-Sony website(Kotaku) that there is a rumor that some retailers are lowering their PS3 prices.
Kotaku? Wow now there is the New York Times of video game news and information.
About as accurate as Fox News, and just as fair and balanced.
The thing is there is no way to confirm this. Some retailers in Japan. Could you narrow that down to a few thousand. No news report links. No retailers named, no link to a Japanese gaming site.... just "Some retailers in Japan".
Thats like saying, "Some Retailers in the U.S. have unsold Wii's." - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Only the 20G.
Marked as inaccurate. - StateofMind09, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Population of 400,000 shouldn't have that many you're right, I guess my town is just filled with gamers...
From what I've noticed, the 60GB seems to be the only one really selling. It's actually the one of higher supply, but it seems to have MUCH higher demand. I've read rumors of Sony actually discontinuing the 20GB SKU. Having 6 in stock isn't that bad of a sign for a $600 console after the holidays to me though, especially if only 2 of them are the SKU that people actually seem to be interested in.
Regardless, I still don't think that the average buyer thinks that they can walk into a store and buy a PS3 right now. Once they start really sticking to the shelves (People can say, "I'm going to XXX to buy a 60GB PS3 tomorrow") I think we'll see the true difference between PS3 and 360 sales. Which one will stay on the shelves, you know? - Cowtastic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3well, i knew i was gonna get one eventually, im just saying wireless was an early selling point for me.
as for your second question, if you dont want to read it dont, but then again i really have no idea why i did in the first place ;p - StateofMind09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4MouseCircus
"Korexz's comment has nothing to do with this. I wasn't even directly replying to him, so I have no clue why you thought bringing up his comment was relevant to the discussion."
You don't seem to have a clue why anything is relevent. You said that no one was saying that the PS3 was dying, his post and digg count proves that you're wrong- so it's completely relevant.
The reason everyone keeps bringing up the PS2 is because it's been outselling the 360 since it launched. I think that makes it "relevant" enough. Brand loyalty has a LOT to do with consoles, comparing handhelds to home consoles isn't a great idea. People buy consoles for their exclusives, and they carry over from one generation to the next. For instance, a Final Fantasy fan probably owned a PS2 and is probably going to buy a PS3. The same can be said for fans of Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, etc. Halo fans owned an Xbox, and in turn will buy an Xbox 360. Fans of Zelda and Mario? Guess what- they owned a GameCube and are looking for a Wii.
People are arguing the PS3's sales, not its current position in the "console wars". So comparing launches is more relevant than what you seem to be able to grasp. For launch, the PS3 is doing fine considering the history of pricey high tech consoles. If you don't want to compare it to the 360, how about the PS2? The PS2 had a very comparable launch that almost eerily paralleled the PS3's launch- it also had to go up against the Dreamcast which was already in homes. Oh yeah, the Gamecube was cheaper and sold quicker too. History can tell a lot, what you're doing is like telling me that if I spilled my cup milk, I have a few hours to get out of the house before it's flooded. You have to be able to take a bigger view on these things, consoles generally last 5-10 years, and there's only half a cup's worth of milk left to be spilled. - krische, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13So wait, let me get this straight, you guys (general ps3 bashers) make fun of the ps3 because of its high price. now you are making fun of it because its price is being cut? Are you ever going to be happy?
- StateofMind09, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Mouse
My first console was the SNES, followed by the N64, PS2, and PS3.
Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say that no one bought outside of their own brand loyalty, or that everyone even had brand loyalty. But fans of certain established and exclusive franchises will tend to buy along brand lines. Like I posted, if you're a Final Fantasy fan...chances are you owned a PS2 and are going to own a PS3. If you're a Metal Gear Solid fan, the same applies. Same with Devil May Cry. Halo fans will upgrade their Xbox to a 360, and Zelda fans will upgrade their GameCube to a Wii.
FFS, I'm not saying that no PS2 owners bought or will buy a 360. It's just that a lot of, actually most will choose to stick to the brand that gives them the exclusive games that they want to play. That usually carries over console generations and means that 100 million PS2 owners will have a big effect on the PS3's sales once its big exclusives start hitting shelves later this year. -
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