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- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -16/+125Believe it or not: Games run on hardware.
Even more amazing, better hardware enables more interesting game behavior -- destructible environments, advanced physics, better AI, procedural content generation, etc. It's not just about glossy graphics. - Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+67It seems from the way that this guy broke down both systems he's saying that the Xbox 360 was developed with game makers in mind and in turn, a game machine first and a media device second. The PS3 is built more as a media playing device first and a game machine second.
In the long run the games will show which system is the best/most friendly to work with. When games like Gears of War just scratch the surface of how well games can be made on the 360 (after less than one year) it makes me excited to see what's going to come out in the next 4 years. The PS3 looks to have some good games, but nothing that I've really seen that the Xbox 360 can't do. - fatalfury, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45That article is a 1:1 copy of this! http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p2.html
- lava, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37PS3 vs Xbox360?
This should end well. - altodarknight, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34And good games come from good developers with great tools and hardware that work together well to give the developer a lot of power easily.
- zatrix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34whatever happened to showing comparisons in tables, you know something where you can quickly compare values?
- championchap, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29@ImTheDarkcyde
Ok, I'm a flamboyantly huge nintendo fanboy.. and although I know what you are saying, they actually do add to the gameplay.
Especially the improved AI and procedural content generation.. destructible environments are just plain fun.
Old school classics were fun despite not having them i know, but now that they are available.. why wouldnt developers take advantage of them and use them as components of great gameplay?
Rather than just destructible environments for the sake of having them, they could actually have some very cool uses. - rezryder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Sounds like another PS3 bashing.
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24The PC might surpass the PS3/360 (heck, it might already have), but at what cost?! You can spend $400+ on a video card each year, or you can buy a 360/ps3 once and keep it for ~four years. Non-gaming PCs can only these days run Halo PC at decent settings (if you're lucky...and it's an ancient game!) so you're talking about dropping serious money to get past the consoles at this point.
At what price point is a powerful graphics card just a novelty, since so few people can buy it? - FabledFoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20This article sounds so familiar.... as if from another time...
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p2.html
Even copied the repeated paragraph typo. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21allow me to get in here before someone makes a completely off-topic wii comment
- kamikazecow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21"The 6800 Ultra has 16 pixel pipes, 6 vertex pipes, and runs at 400 MHz. Given the RSX's 2x better than a 6800 Ultra number and the higher frequency of the RSX, one can roughly estimate that it will have 24 pixel shading pipes and 4 vertex shading pipes"
well, too bad the 8800gtx is at least twice as powerfull as that! Hopefully the price will come down a bit though :S - bevans, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26@ImTheDarkcyde (yoda?)
No, but they help. If all games were Mario looking side scrollers, game consoles would be dead today. If all racing games had the physics of Rad Racer, there would be no point in making a new racing game. - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Why is nklnch getting dugg down?
This article is blatant plagiarism. Here is the original:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p2.html
And the two post above me SHOULD be getting dugg down for a completely off-topic reply (so good job there :) - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -32/+46Yeah, dude...you're in the minority. You're so counter-culture, you along with the million other Nintendo fans that keep bitching about 'gameplay' over graphics.
- ChaseLudwick, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23and the battle begins with the 360 fan boys and the ps3 fan boys and their pointless arguing
- honorablesauce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16You can never count out Japanese pride when discussing the success or failure of the PS3 vs. XBox 360. Regardless of the hardware.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25Another sweet deal is how I am on my 3rd 360, tells you that it's three times better already than the PS3.
I only have owned one GameCube, one NES, one GameBoy, one Genesis, one PS1, and my PS2 is from Launch day.
Yet I had to get three original Xboxes, and my third 360 just gave me a "can't read disc" error
***** flawless
Xbox > - bevans, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16might as well add Linux vs Microsoft to the post.
- BenSerwa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Good developers have been making good games since long before the hardware was very impressive or easy to use.
- Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15mywhitenoise: You're dugg lower than he is. That means he's right and you're wrong. DIGGIALITY!
- Mr.RX99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I agree with both sides. Yes, these things do not necessarily make a good game, but when used correctly, they can make awesome games
- dveight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Apparently his information was taken from:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
Which was actually produced by Microsoft. The information then can be bias, but I don't see Sony offering any type of rebuttal. - Gundam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11This article is a direct copy of an IGN article posted earlier, from E3 2005! At that point it was almost ALL speculation.
- UberC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11This is a Microsoft press release. I saw it posted on IGN and they actually credited the source.
- sephiroth4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Quit posting these types of articles that bring out Sony's flaws until I sell my PS3(s) on ebay!
- effward, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The funny part is that there are more comments complaining about the imminent fan boy wars than actual fan boy posts.
- iamshades, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17@whitenoise
yes, mr dumbass. they do. - swOhio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's interesting that now people are debating system power vs gameplay.
I thought it wasn't even supposed to be a question that the PS3 would be more powerful than the 360. All of a sudden the Sony fans have to resort to saying "well the games will be better" when before it was "the PS3 is a superior system in terms of perfomance". - daofma, on 10/12/2007, -15/+24Didn't it take a while last generation for personal computers to catch up to PS2 quality graphics?
This time, PC graphics already exceed what the PS3 will probably be capable of. - liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The Xbox offers something that the PS3 will NOT have during this console generation and that is absolutely seamless online gaming. While online gaming is not everything but it is a critical area that the 360 will certainly capture. The PS3 have still yet to dive in this market and will surely make mistakes and will need to fine tune it's online service over the next 3 or 4 years.
- Eleo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This was interesting, but before I take it seriously, I'd like to read a retort, if one exists. I am no expert on this type of hardware, although most of what was said made sense and sounds believable. On the other hand I don't know much about this kind of stuff, so if any of it was wrong or inaccurate, I wouldn't know.
- yidali, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14An interesting article but I'm curious as to where he attained some of his information.
"If the RSX follows the 6800 Ultra route"
"However, using Sony's claim, "
"Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one."
The Xbox has symmetric processors, the cell utilizes asymmetric multiprocessors.
It seems to me that he based his research with good computer architecture but he adds some speculation in there. - Lixie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I didn't understand half the article with all of its techno jargon. I just got the gist that the 360 is better suited for gamers, while the PS3 seems like Sony forcing proprietary cells on gamers.
I mean, suppose time proves the 360 is capable of better graphics than the PS3. Will the Sony fanboys ever admit it? Will the Japanese ever admit if? - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9SOMEONE DECODE THIS MOONSPEAK
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8He didn't say it was less expensive or as expensive as console gaming, he just said that PC graphics are already more advanced than the next gen consoles, and they are. Just wait till you see Crysis, you'll ***** bricks. Yes its more expensive, but i guarantee that in less than 2 years those same graphics cards will cost a whole lot less than the consoles are costing now, and they'll still be more powerful than the consoles. Not trying to start a PC vs 360/PS3/Wii debate here, just stating some facts.
- Burmask, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Almost like the pointless ie vs ff crap that plagues digg.
- liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9He was quick to admit that both machines will pack a heavy punch. If you read the article closely he summarizes that the PS3 cell processor is most optimal for media playback and the Xbox360 is optimal for game playback. Well guess what? The PS3 will include the Blu-Ray - and sony hopes it will boost it to mega popularity so that seems like a no brainer when you think about it.
Yes, I think he is making a point here. It seems very evident that he knows what the heck he is talking about and reading that article I'd rather take his word over a forum full of PS3 members who may be saying otherwise.
I guess time will tell when the PS3 is launched. - DaJackall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13It sounds to me like this man may work for Microsoft.
I do have an Xbox 360, but I would not at all call myself a fan boy. Reading this article made me less worried about all the hype Sony is putting on how much better graphics they will have than Xbox, but it still seemed completely one-sided, and I am kind of skeptical. - KingMoses, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7+1 for blaming the Japs.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think it varies from screen to screen, I can tell whenever a PC game drops below 60.
- Sutanreyu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is ABSOLUTE *****. Dugg down for PLAGIARISM. This article has been copied *straight* from an old IGN article from 2K5. Word for word. This person even copied the duplicate paragraphs!
Original article: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p2.html - vwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8This is not the first time I have read info like this...and I think it makes sense. Sony is arrogant and thus...so is the way they expect programmers to make games for them. I own an xbox and I have seen the PS3 games ---> my verdict is xbox has better graphics and a working online experience. Xbox will come in second in the console war. The Nintendo Wii coming in first of course.
- UberC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just to let you know, this is text from a Microsoft press release even though it is not cited as such.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs)"
And there's where he really starts sounding like just another general Sony hater. Sony calls them SPEs because that's what they're called, you don't know better than Sony on this point, they helped design the chip, you just write a blog. - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Virtually any comparison article dealing with unproven hardware is going to include speculation. And I think it should, or else we could just do the research ourselves.
- cgoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What a lot of people forget to consider when comparing PC gaming to console gaming is that consoles don't have anywhere near the overhead to deal with that PCs do. The Xbox 360 is 100% dedicated to running a game whereas a PC runs a full-blown operating system, numerous background services/applications in addition to the game itself.
PC hardware is never really put to the test as far as games are concerned. They are never targetted and optimized for a specific configuration (unless you enjoy ATi tech demos). Look at how long it took PCs to seriously date the original Xbox, which runs on a tweaked GeForce 3!
It's all about optimization. - JurneyAhed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You can't say that the PS3 hasn't shown you anything the 360 hasn't, since the PS3 hasn't shown much at all. It's got launch games, and generally, very, very, very few launch games exploit the hardware.
- prozaciswack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Can we all take from this two things?
1. It's common knowledge to anyone that understands programming that it's a lot easier to program for 3 cores or processors than 7.
2. Many unaffiliated sources say the 360 has, by the numbers, more power. Numbers that most of us could never understand.
Now the question becomes who will utilize the hardware better? MS has done a masterful job of making a system that is easy to code for as well as an amazing online service. Sony has always managed to harness more game makers and a larger user base. Let the holiday games begin... - Halaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I am with you there. My second Xbox 360 just died on me after receiving it as a replacement only a month and a half ago. While I have went through almost 5 PlayStation 2 systems during its lifespan, I never had one die within 9 months of purchasing it, and then a second replacement unit die just a month and a half after that.
But hey. :) It will only take them 30-60 days to get me another one. No Gears of War for me for a while. :( -
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