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- Okari, on 11/06/2007, -21/+150Actually, a lot of the sales are because it's the cheapest Blu-Ray player.
- giveer, on 11/05/2007, -29/+150Yeah but isn't saying you've got "the cheapest blu-ray player" kinda like saying you're dating the hottest fatty?
- secondwheel2, on 11/06/2007, -60/+175Am I the only one here that thinks the PS3 would have sold like crazy if it didn't have a blue ray player
- Adonai, on 10/29/2007, -7/+90With the exception of the Nintendo Wii, basically every console sold for the first half of it's life comes at a loss. The original Xbox, if I remember correctly, NEVER sold for profit (the system itself). Sony has a GIANT financial loss in each platform sold, upwards of $300 depending on estimates, and that was before price drops. Ironically, however, the Xbox 360 extended warranty has cost Microsoft more in 1 fell swoop than Sony has lost total, so it's not as though Sony will just "give up" because they are 1 billion in debt. If you get enough systems out there - or, in their cases, Blu-Ray players as well - you can end up making it all back on software and movie sales.
It's unlikely, given even the PS3's slow pick-up rates, that Sony will go out of the gaming business anytime soon. Technically speaking, if the PS3 were to sell out constantly (and not sell significantly more first party games, so obviously this fact is a little biased towards the hypothetical) then Sony would be even more in debt than they are now... and people would instead be impressed at being the "console leader". Go figure. - kirashira, on 10/29/2007, -28/+104Higher Playstation 3 losses = Higher sales, which is what sony wants.
- AmusedToDeath, on 10/31/2007, -15/+83Why is everybody so surprised that a $600 (debut price) game console didn't sell well? Some of us actually have to use our paychecks for things like food, shelter and clothing. I know the live-in-mom's-basement types can just save a couple of months worth of paychecks from their pizza delivery job and buy one, but for most people, $600 is a lot of money for such a frivolous item.
- radicaldementia, on 10/30/2007, -11/+73people buying your game console just because it is the cheapest blu-ray player is not a good sign at all. Sony is depending on game sales to get revenue and if a lot of people are buying a ps3 just for blu-ray, then Sony is in some serious trouble.
- kenvsryu, on 10/29/2007, -9/+63For the last quarter of FY2006 - Consequently, the Entertainment and Devices Division (EDD), which is home to the Xbox business, posted an operating loss of $1.2 billion for the fourth quarter and nearly $1.9 billion for the full year. http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1686 ...
- chocobomog, on 10/30/2007, -17/+55And the blu-ray player is going to be a major factor in Sony recouping this loss. Before the PS3, blu-ray sales were terrible. One year later, blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD 2:1 or more. Give it a few more years (and a few million more PS3s) and Sony will be making bank on all blu-ray sales as the standard high-def disc.
- inactive, on 10/29/2007, -24/+60the game is far from over so this is nothing
- robjohnston, on 10/29/2007, -2/+35there is a fair difference between 1 billion and 1.1 billion, believe it or not.
- Okari, on 10/30/2007, -7/+34You're forgetting Sony is a movie company as well.
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -9/+34http://i23.tinypic.com/2aamxy0.jpg
- Dysarthria, on 10/29/2007, -10/+35Selling at a loss and losing market share was not their intent.
- shogun042, on 10/30/2007, -4/+27uhh let's just forget Microsoft's $1.1 billion bill for xbox 360 repairs, beating out all losses in the PS division.
- mark_in_bc, on 10/30/2007, -14/+36Without Blu ray the Platation 3 would have launched before or at the same time as the 360 and would have smoked the it on the reputation of the PS2. The 360 has proven that HD gaming works on DVD and does not require HD disk space.
We have both consoles and the PS3 is only used once in a while to play the odd Blu ray movie. We have the HD DVD drive for the 360 and we find that it looks better than the Blu ray on our equipment. Mind you we've had to send one Xbox back due to the three rings of death. - TyroPyro, on 10/30/2007, -15/+36Except it isn't selling much compared to everything else: http://www.vgchartz.com/
Microsoft is selling more 360's and actually turned a profit last quarter - neeyo, on 10/30/2007, -14/+35Dude, consoles aren't profitable. They make their money on the game licenses. When you think about it, the only console that _could_ be profitable is the Wii because it's essentially a rehashed gamecube that didn't take years and years with millions of dollars to develop. But the fact that a console maker lost money on its consoles is absolutely no surprise.
- CheezIt9109, on 10/30/2007, -7/+26If the delay was truly due to Blu-Ray (as reported by Sony) and not issues with the Cell Architecture, I would completely agree.
All you folks pointing out that Blu-Ray is being helped by the PS3 may be correct, but I for one wish a cruel and painful death upon the person(s) responsible for ***** the gaming customers in the ass in an attempt to launch a new medium. - JammoBlammo, on 10/30/2007, -0/+19No matter how many billions you have, $100 million is definitely a lot. It takes a lot of time and work to amass that kind of money.
- Cwo655321, on 10/30/2007, -5/+23not if they are buying it as the 'cheapest blu-ray player'
- tuxidomasx, on 10/29/2007, -0/+18i always buy the system for the game(s). So until god of war 3 and FF13 come out, no PS3 for me.
- Setter, on 10/29/2007, -4/+22Now I don't feel as bad... I only lost $600.
- Optimaximal, on 10/30/2007, -5/+22It doesn't matter if Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD 2:1... Nobody is going to take either format seriously until one wins this stupid format war.
HD-DVD keeps dropping in price down to the level where consumers will actually purchase it. The savings in manufacturing costs coupled with consumer desire for the cheapest goods will see HD-DVD sales pick up again.
The format war has entered its 'rabid discount' phase, which is often where battles are won. - LawSchoolBound, on 10/29/2007, -2/+18Both the 360 and PS3 sell for a loss, the difference is the 360 has a lot of games that are selling very well, from which they can recuperate some of their losses, not to mention they also make money off of xbox live and their video downloads.
- inactive, on 10/29/2007, -9/+25i would not but blu ray or hd until one of them are dead
- santasing, on 10/29/2007, -4/+20I wouldn't say it didn't sell well. Its already solde 5.6 million and that's sales for a console which does not have heave hitting games yet.
- TechCF, on 10/30/2007, -3/+19If the PS3 is going to sell for as long as the PS2 it will still make money
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/30/2007, -3/+18That's probably the most true and unbiased statement about the PS3. If Sony had focused on getting their GAMING machine out the door instead of trying to push some new media format they would have sold ridiculous amounts of consoles. Plus the shortage would have been MUCH less because they wouldn't have worried about trying to get enough blue lasers in time for production. I'd probably have both a PS3 and a 360 if that was the case because both systems would have been much cheaper due to competition in the same price range.
- PhoenixCE, on 10/29/2007, -5/+20Get your facts straight. The delay in GTA4 is because they can't fit everything on a standard DVD disc for the 360.
- dukeeeey, on 10/29/2007, -2/+16with modern consoles its quite common to sell the hardware below cost, ie the hardware is subsidized. The money is made back on the games.
- vertinox, on 10/31/2007, -3/+17Game Cube sold at a profit.
- neocr0n, on 10/29/2007, -2/+16The PS3 isn't even a year old of course they are posting a loss, do you realise what it costs to develope a console?
- Konstantino, on 10/30/2007, -3/+17But if it didn't HAVE a Blu-Ray player, it'd have been a heck of a lot cheaper. Even now it's rivaling the 360 in terms of price (although there is a lot of losses because of that).
- JammoBlammo, on 10/29/2007, -2/+15Buy the time you buy the Wii and enough accessories for 2 people to have fun, it DOES cost $400.
- Okari, on 10/29/2007, -0/+13At the time it was launched Target didn't have much for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Also, more than likely, all those PS3's you sold on day one went straight to Ebay so there was no point in buying a movie.
- Daniel591992, on 10/29/2007, -2/+15Even toilets!
(well, not really..I just wanted to say that) - spawnfree, on 10/31/2007, -1/+13lol wut?
i play 8gig dvds on my pc but i dont need 8gig of ram to do it. - vertinox, on 10/29/2007, -4/+16The PS2 and Xbox was the first DVD players many people owned.
- SillyRabbits, on 10/29/2007, -2/+14I think it would have sold like crazy if they released it 1 year earlier like they originally planned.
- toefer, on 10/29/2007, -1/+12"But the Blu-Ray drive is causing delays in all the big cross platform titles recently it was the cause of the delay of GTA4."
Um. Sorry. No. - BlueSkyfish, on 10/29/2007, -3/+14Actually, most Game companies (Nintendo, Sega, Atari, etc) sold their systems at a profit. Sony was the first to sell at a loss in order to get their system on the market quicker. They were able to do this because they had other divisions of the company making a profit. Microsoft followed suit because they have their software division to back them up.
- craterburnsu, on 10/30/2007, -2/+13You did not have to buy a remote for the ps2. You could use it just fine without it if you A. were close enough to control it with a controller, or B. Had a wireless controller. And the Xbox was a different matter. When you were buying the remote you were paying the licensing fees for the dvd codec, which is why it was required to play DVDs. Microsoft saved a decent amount of production money by doing it that way.
- spoonard, on 10/31/2007, -2/+13Yes it did. Nintendo has NEVER sold at a loss except for the VirtualBoy.
- aogail, on 10/29/2007, -1/+12What do you think is causing that price point? You can't even buy a stand-alone blu-ray player for less.
- toefer, on 10/29/2007, -3/+14Everyone that says this never really cares to include the amazing 360 exclusives. You can count them on one hand, and then half of those are, or will be, on PC.
- MWeather, on 10/29/2007, -1/+12So how many movies can you fit on that hard drive?
- vertinox, on 10/29/2007, -7/+17I'm fine with the BluRay player. Its the price tag that is keeping me away.
- MrSteamTank, on 10/29/2007, -0/+10Actually the n64 was a graphical powerhouse when it came out. It had triple the power of the ps1. Honestly, if the n64 used cd's rather than super-expensive cartridges I bet we'd all still be playing Nintendo consoles.
- giveer, on 11/04/2007, -3/+13The comment was reflecting that a cheap player is still pricey. Boy, I love explaining things about as much as I hate the guy next to me checkin' out my wang when I pee.
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