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- Talus, on 10/12/2007, -36/+150ROFL! The hiliarity that is the PS3 continues...
- boomerxl, on 10/12/2007, -18/+71At this point if a PS3 was delivered free to my house, I'd just sell it on Ebay, if I could find a buyer.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48Wow. I hear more and more justification as to why the PS3 is worth $600.
Aren't current games supposed to be getting MORE immersive? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41n8r0n: "I imagine they are working on a new controller right now that will support a rumble feature"
Do you even know WHY they don't have rumble in their controllers? It's not for any technical reasons. They were sued by a company called Immersion Technologies for infringing on a patent, and lost the case. And the reason why Microsoft DOES have rumble features is because they're paying a licensing fee to Immersion on each controller sold, the same fee that Sony flatly refuses to pay.
So no, until Sony does an about-face and agrees to pay this license fee, they will never have any controllers with vibration - EVER.
Third-party controller manufacturers, like Mad Catz can always pay this fee themselves. Unfortunately, since the first party controllers don't rumble, there will not be any game developers that will program vibration into their games until people buy those third party controllers en masse -- which will likely never happen because of a certain Catch-22 problem that I'm sure you can figure out on your own. - CCB0x45, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29@taint
what does the first premium 360 do if you want hdmi? why would you need both 360s? is the other 360 there for moral support? - razordancer, on 10/12/2007, -13/+37Yeah, this is proof positive (not that we needed it) that the 'Vibration will not be included in the Sixaxis due to the motion sensing abilities' was total BS. That lie never did sit well with me. Licensing issues for Sony? The fans lose.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26The GTHD demo doesn't do FF. I tried it on my Driving Force Pro wheel last night.
However, Need For Speed : Carbon does support it already.
This story is inaccurate. Provably inaccurate since PS3 already is doing FF on wheels today.
Also, games do not have to be written for SIXAXIS. It's just that most games are written for SIXAXIS, and these will not do rumble even when used with a DualShock. - bwjacket, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25"For all you racing fans, that means Gran Turismo 5 is going to feel like you're driving on ice."
Easy fix - make all the tracks winter scenes.
"Your'e welcome" - Nick Burns - incabulos, on 10/12/2007, -36/+58Michael Cardiff, please stop trolling the PS3. It has USB, therefore it "knows how" to transmit information to a controller. Sheesh.
- glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -17/+39http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/default.htm
Quit yer damn whining already ... Sony dropped the ball on this one... and the batteries... and they rooted people... and they shut down popular sites selling their product... Need I say more? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+30The PS3 has been in stock for several days straight at multiple online retailers:
http://www.refreshthing.com/ps3/
I think it's clear that there is no particularly strong demand for this console now, with the only purchases probably coming from non-gamers who are buying it for the brand name.
On the other hand, the Wii, for which Nintendo was able to manufacture a LOT more units than Sony could with their product, is sold out at virtually every online retailer:
http://www.refreshthing.com/wii/
Pretty sad news. I don't care either way, I just bought an Xbox 360 and am thoroughly satisfied. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25"PS3 controllers were "designed" for maximum comfort with force feedback."
the six axis is not comfortable, neither is the dual shock, or the original ps1 controller. And the six axis does not have force feedback. - TheThirdWheel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Yeah I remember I didn't get a 3DO because it lacked force feedback steering.
- Covenant9, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22Wow...with every negative story about the PS3 you can rest assured some Sony fanboy will tell you "it will be fixed via a firmware update".
Is there a firmware update to make YOU go away? - SamuraiPanda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"PS3 controllers were "designed" for maximum comfort with force feedback."
What the hell are you talking about? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I liked the PS2's controller, I CANNOT stand for the life of me, PS3s L2 and R2 trigger buttons. Ugh, they feel looser then Courtney Love
- pyrex1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'm sorry guys this is a complete lie, need for speed carbon fully supports the force feedback on the ps3 with the logitech driving force pro (however not the 900 degree turning). GTHD supports the 900 degrees of steering and I bet when the finished product comes out in the form of GT5 it will also have force feedback, it's a simulator after all and a lot of gran turismo racers have the wheel in their simulation setup. They would be letting down too many of their customers by not implementing this. So I thought I would let you guys know that FF works in NFS:C
here is a link stating other people getting FF too on the sony boards
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=nfscarbon&message.id=476 - Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16You're misunderstanding the problem...
The PS3 games will be written for the six-axis controller, not for a steering wheel. There is no force feedback or vibration in the controller. When you plug a steering wheel into the PS3, you inherit the controls and capabilities for that game. The developers would have to individually support specific steering wheels with their games in order to get them to work with force feedback. Hopefully this makes some sort of sense to you.
As the article states: "All PS3 games are programmed for the SIXAXIS which doesn’t have force feedback, therefore the force feedback in the wheels won’t be recognized." - SamuraiPanda, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24"What’s breaking news to us is the fact that the PS3 doesn’t even know how to transmit a signal telling ANY controller to vibrate or give force feedback."
Uh... don't the games themselves program rumble in, not the console itself? - twesterm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Why do people think that firmware updates can magically fix any problem?
- rabidwonton, on 10/12/2007, -14/+26"It has USB, therefore it "knows how" to transmit information to a controller. Sheesh."
Actually, due to the controller spec it is highly likely that even if controllers were designed with force feedback no games would bother supporting it because Sony dropped the ball on supporting it in the first party controllers. Add that to the fact that there most likely won't be any system call (or standard library, or driver function etc.) to cause force feedback (why should there be, Sony's controllers won't support it) and there will almost definitely not be any games with force feedback, and therefore no controllers. The PS3 dosen't 'know how' to cause force feedback (at least as far as I know) because writing the function that would send the USB signal to tell the controller to do something it can't would fundamentally be pointless and a waste of time to program, debug and include in the PS3 software when the hardware can't support it. Basically it would be about on the same level as including a SCSI driver in the PS3 OS. Completely pointless and logically it won't be there. - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Playfeed.com ---> 1Up.com ---> NeoGAF ---> http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2522504
It's gotta be a new record :p
And until we know who "FMW" is and have corroboration, I would file this under "rumor." - nunofgs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13How many times do I need to say it? Rumble != Force Feedback.
The PS1 and PS2 controllers don't have Force Feedback. They have Rumble.
Force feedback implies that there is an inverse force being applied to the motion you perform. The only way to get force feedback is to attach one of those steering wheels to a table or something so that the controller can offer resistance. - nizzy1115, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Even my 10 year old nintendo 64 knows how to do a rumble. sorry sony, but thats just sad.
- DesolataX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I just got the new Xbox 360 Wireless Racing wheel by Microsoft, and I must say that the force feedback makes the game if you are using a wheel. Before this new wheel, I had the Madcatz POS wheel for 360, almost no force feedback, and was just boring to use. $159 CAD well spent in my books.
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15"The PS3 has been in stock for several days straight at multiple on-line retailers:
http://www.refreshthing.com/ps3/"
If you actually review this, these include hugely expensive bundles (up to $1200), "new" systems in auction style sales, etc.
Nobody hates Sony more than I do, but those figures are misleading.
I mean, the $680 Wii Bundle at Gamestop is still in stock as well. - b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10...and if you only use white cars and have a LOT of snow...
BAM! Significantly reduced budget. - scronline, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I've lost all caring for Sony. This is coming from a guy that has a PS1, a PS2, a PSP, and all consumer electronics that I have that Sony makes, I own from TVs to Stereos. Even the drives I was selling in our custom systems were Sony drives....until the rootkit incident. I had already been getting towards the unhappy side before then, but that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
The fact that they can't even do something as simple as forcefeed back just makes me not want it even more. - Segitz, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23IGN totally misquoted here...
It means, only the launch titles wont have any FF. Also, Phil Harrison ALREADY said, that further down the line, 3rd Partys may have Rumble AND/OR FF!! - culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"Uh... don't the games themselves program rumble in, not the console itself?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Api - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11That's really Sony's answer to everything, these days...
- daridave, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Dude, get with the FUTURE MAAAN!!
Future cars will fly -- there is no more road!! Why rumble !?!?! [with a Phil Harrison accent]
/sarcasm
btw to reply to ^
I prefer to have the choice. Plus with the PS3, add 100$ for the cables, which you don't have... and things even out. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Methinks Sony itself needs a firmware update, because they have been making some seriously stupid decisions for, what.. 30 years now?
- Pissoff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I 2nd that, I'm no longer a Sony customer, I've dropped all SOE subscriptions as well.
Time to re-think things, retard greed monster - DarkJC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Many comments have proven this as inaccurate, so why isn't this marked inaccurate yet? Oh right, the PS3 bias on Digg. So much for it not existing.
- ferretpants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I didn't use to really think that the loss of rumble would be this big of deal. The controller just feels dead in my hand though...
- walkingdogs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Thats the idea. Stop bitching and stop buying. The only way any company suffers is through lack of sales. Sony has been a thorn in my technology side for way too long. Sony got my last dollar 10 years with a discman purchase and will never see another one. They have NO products which they make better than any of their competitors. I feel bad for ignorant consumers who aren't tech savvy and go out and purchase under delivering over priced sony products because they get bombarded with commercials. I used to understand the price point to help pay for R&D but the only thing they've excelled at making over the last few years is bad press and bad products.
- culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"One firmware update and this goes away."
Like the 1080i scaling? - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"
the six axis is not comfortable, neither is the dual shock, or the original ps1 controller"
Amd that my dear friends is what we consider an opinion. I and many others prefer the PS controller to any other out ther on the market. Granted it is not as good with FPS's as other controllers. Good thing the PS line isn't known for its overwhelming abundance in FPS's. - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10This is taken straight from a thread discussing the fact that not only is force feedback with the wheel included in the NFS on PS3, but also the GTHD demo. Get informed before you post your stupid smug comments.
"You obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding FFB and Sony. Because if you did, you'd know the lawsuit that does not...I repeat....DOES NOT prohibit Polyphony, Namco, EA or any other third party from including FF support in their PS3 games or 3rd party hardware manufacturers from licensing the technology, just like my man 2JZFAN has stated. If you don't believe me, call Immersion themselves and speak to a guy named Greg. I bought a PCB from him directly for my custom made Happ wheel(more on this in a few days) and spoke to him about the issue, and he stated exactly what I and 2JZFAN are stating right now.
Plus, trying playing Need For Speed carbon with the DFP wheel....I've read it works 100% JUST LIKE IF IT WAS ON PS2! Forces, strong jolts, return to centering, etc." - ryansebiz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13PS3D0
See the resemblance? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9a "new member" on some crappy forum is a reliable source nowadays? *****.
even if it was true, there are so many possible workarounds (usb ports etc) - Supernova36, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Whats that scraping sound? Oh its just Sony digging its own grave.
- Phil246, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sony arent the only manufacturer of steering wheels. It is sony alone who refused to license the vibration tech - Other manufacturers still can.
And as incabuos pointed out, the ps3 has usb and so can send any signals it wants to the controller.
the ps3 doesnt have to 'know how' to do it - the game does. Sure there might not be an official, standard way right now but thats hardly going to mean that it wont happen at all.
A firmware update can put this ability in if required, also. I doubt the patent covers 'sending a signal to trigger the vibration mechanism' , only how the vibration is achieved. - CanadianGeese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No doubt. Force feedback (along with the picture and sound) use 3 of your 5 senses. Take it away and you are down to 2.
- SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ Nobi
Damn good point. But, they have to validate their complete waste of money somehow... - razor150, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think some people are confusing Rumble and Force Feedback. Rumble makes your controller shake, which is tech Sony can't use until they decide to license it. Force Feedback isn't rumble. Force Feedback is what you feel when the car fights you when you try to make a sharp turn when you use Force Feedback Wheel for GT4. That is not Rumble.
To put this in perspective, the Xbox did not have force feedback, but it did have rumble. The Xbox was unable to transmit force feedback information to a Wheel, so games like Forza had to fake it with rumble. - DelSolMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Your generalizations can't be farther from the truth.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's not a trick. It was a stupid developer. The wheel won't work as a regular controller in controller slot 1 (think of this as being plugged into port 1 or having the 1 light on on your 360 controller). so you have to have a SIXAXIS in slot 1. However, the game is stupid and doesn't support a wheel in any slot but slot 1.
EA should fix NFS:C to support wheels in other slots, and then you wouldn't have to do any shenanigans.
You're not "tricking" the PS3, you're sort of "tricking" NFS:C, because it was poorly written. - apothekari, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10DRM greed and pushing their own format is so impossibly premier at sony that EVERYTHING else took a backseat to it,which is ironic because now that's where you have to drive from in gran turismo apparently.
600.00...Man!
I guess some of the early adopters of the ps3 are wishing it was a george foreman grill now, so it would at least serve some form of useful purpose. -
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